Let's talk about that federal abortion bill

[sombrerosonic]

As long as there is someone who doesn't like being oppressed, the Republicans will exist and drum up excuses as to why they should be.

so everyone in the world? cause nobody likes to be opressed.

 

[omgcat]

The left always have to use edge cases that happen in 0.01% of pregnancies for their argument for abortion on demand. I miss the days when the argument was to make it legal but rare, but the left has gone so extreme that nobody is buying it anymore so you have to search high and low for anecdotal evidence to push the narrative. I actually used to be pro-choice until the left went off the deep end.

severe birth defects have a background rate of 3%, not .01% imagine being off by 300 times dude. since you are math disadvantaged i'll convert it to fractions, so 1 in 33. there are about 6,369,000 births in the USA each year, and with a background rate of 3% we end of with 191,070 high risk pregnancies per year. seems to me you are using feelings, not facts in your arguments and probably should stop.

i wonder why Texas isn't releasing the maternal mortality rate until after the midterms.

 

[tabzer]

Before that marker it's no more than a parasite that requires a host to exist.

Things like this really puts this "argument" in perspective.

 

[City]

severe birth defects have a background rate of 3%, not .01% imagine being off by 300 times dude. since you are math disadvantaged i'll convert it to fractions, so 1 in 33. there are about 6,369,000 births in the USA each year, and with a background rate of 3% we end of with 191,070 high risk pregnancies per year. seems to me you are using feelings, not facts in your arguments and probably should stop.

i wonder why Texas isn't releasing the maternal mortality rate until after the midterms.

Except that many of those defects are treatable.

Not to mention that's not how statistic works. You can't get a bunch of highly implausible events together and come up with a % to get at least one of those. The most common defect from that list seems to be clubfoot, roughly 1 in 600.

 

[Glyptofane]

This shit will go on forever, because without fake moral outrage, Republicans have absolutely nothing to campaign on. Other than the Southern Strategy, anyway, but they generally want to pretend that doesn't exist.

I loathe the traitorous GOP establishment and their gimmick politics, but there are also already like a dozen fairly recent threads on the primitive virtues of ritual child sacrifice.

 

[RAHelllord]

Things like this really puts this "argument" in perspective.

I could cite multiple papers for you how the fetus supresses the mother's immune system, how it changes the hormonal balance of her body to suit its own needs, and how this process sometimes nearly kills the mother, just like parasites tend to do, but considering your well demonstrated educational disadvantage that would be a waste of everyone's time.

 

[City]

I could cite multiple papers for you how the fetus supresses the mother's immune system, how it changes the hormonal balance of her body to suit its own needs, and how this process sometimes nearly kills the mother, just like parasites tend to do, but considering your well demonstrated educational disadvantage that would be a waste of everyone's time.

OMG GUYS FETUSES ARE ALT-RIGHT CONFIRMED UPDOOTS TO THE LEFT TY

 

[LainaGabranth]

OMG GUYS FETUSES ARE ALT-RIGHT CONFIRMED UPDOOTS TO THE LEFT TY

Please don't make exceedingly low effort posts in a serious conversation.

I could cite multiple papers for you how the fetus supresses the mother's immune system, how it changes the hormonal balance of her body to suit its own needs, and how this process sometimes nearly kills the mother, just like parasites tend to do, but considering your well demonstrated educational disadvantage that would be a waste of everyone's time.

I think that's the fundamental flaw in this entire debate, the right is just so culturally lacking in empathy by design. There's a reason why the majority of this debate is being dictated by people who've never been pregnant. I wish there was a way to basically require these psychos have to go through every stage of pregnancy, labor included, before they were allowed to vote against abortion. I really don't think people should be allowed to restrict the rights and freedoms of people whose struggles they know nothing about.

 

[tabzer]

I could cite multiple papers for you how the fetus supresses the mother's immune system, how it changes the hormonal balance of her body to suit its own needs, and how this process sometimes nearly kills the mother, just like parasites tend to do, but considering your well demonstrated educational disadvantage that would be a waste of everyone's time.

Have you spoken to your mom recently, parasite?

Please don't make exceedingly low effort posts in a serious conversation.

Lol. Are you getting serious now?

I think that's the fundamental flaw in this entire debate, the left is just so culturally lacking in empathy by design. There's a reason why the majority of this debate is being dictated by people who've never been pregnant. I wish there was a way to basically require these psychos have to go through every stage of pregnancy, labor included, before they were allowed to vote for abortion. I really don't think people should be allowed to murder babies.

The way to win this debate is re-classing humanity as a parasite then you can feel better about your nihilism. For every 1 LainaGabranth there are a thousands of women who have the opportunity to feel differently.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Then I am betting you are in favor of making organ donations mandatory, for example everyone can live a happy and fulfilled life with only one kidney, yet people die regularly because no viable donor is willing to part with one.

Show me one person who is not an organ donor because they specifically want other people to die.

Plus, you completely avoided my question. What is the point of freedom of speech if you are dead? I don't accept talking points as answers.

Let me know when you want to have a serious grown up discussion.

 

[RAHelllord]

Have you spoken to your mom recently, parasite?

Just today in fact, and as a child that almost killed her on the way out I can assure you she's a fucking idiot at times.
Have you made your mom's life easier recently? Or are you only using her when it's convenient for yourself?

The way to win this debate is re-classing humanity as a parasite then you can feel better about your nihilism. For every 1 LainaGabranth there are a thousands of women who have the opportunity to feel differently.

And differently they will feel as they go through pregnancy and have morning sickness for about 8 months, their bodies change to better serve the fetus, and maybe even they get to suffer complications as they go along, to then be saddled with at least 18 years of responsibility. It's like we want people to have a choice on whether or not they want these things to happen to them instead of forcing them onto people.

Also great job at equating fetuses to all of humanity, at least with yourself you definitely haven't made it far beyond that developmental stage. Certainly makes sense to think that's all there is from your point of view.

 

[TraderPatTX]

severe birth defects have a background rate of 3%, not .01% imagine being off by 300 times dude. since you are math disadvantaged i'll convert it to fractions, so 1 in 33. there are about 6,369,000 births in the USA each year, and with a background rate of 3% we end of with 191,070 high risk pregnancies per year. seems to me you are using feelings, not facts in your arguments and probably should stop.

i wonder why Texas isn't releasing the maternal mortality rate until after the midterms.

So 97% of births are healthy and normal and the left wants to use 3% to advocate for 9 month abortions. I just want you to be clear about this. And what is severe birth defects? Downs syndrome? Those people can live normal, happy lives. Asbergers children? A child missing a hand or arm? If you take those out of the 3%, your percentage will go much lower. So what is the real reason why the left advocates for 9 month abortions? Because it's not women's health. Dr. Gosnell proves that is a fallacy.

 

[RAHelllord]

Show me one person who is not an organ donor because they specifically want other people to die.

Plus, you completely avoided my question. What is the point of freedom of speech if you are dead? I don't accept talking points as answers.

Let me know when you want to have a serious grown up discussion.

Fetuses aren't people, there will be no grown up discussion possible with you until reality checks in and you realize that potential people aren't real people.

Let me know how you protect the freedom of speech of your sperm that's constantly dying in your testicles or a sock. Those are all definitely, absolutely real people and you're taking their freedom of speech every single day.

 

[TraderPatTX]

And differently they will feel as they go through pregnancy and have morning sickness for about 8 months,

Do some research. Women do not have morning sickness for 8 months.

their bodies change to better serve the fetus, and maybe even they get to suffer complications as they go along, to then be saddled with at least 18 years of responsibility. It's like we want people to have a choice on whether or not they want these things to happen to them instead of forcing them onto people.

So if you get a dog and then decide you don't want it anymore, do you just kill it or do you give it up for adoption?

 

[simsimsim]

As someone who's leaning right/conservative on many issues, the American GOP sure feels like a hypocritical cult at best, an outright evil organization at worst.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Fetuses aren't people, there will be no grown up discussion possible with you until reality checks in and you realize that potential people aren't real people.

What is the difference between a 9 month old fetus and a 1 day old baby?

Let me know how you protect the freedom of speech of your sperm that's constantly dying in your testicles or a sock. Those are all definitely, absolutely real people and you're taking their freedom of speech every single day.

My sperm does not have the full DNA of a unique human. It takes a sperm and an egg to create life. Why do I have to explain basic human biology to you?

 

[RAHelllord]

What is the difference between a 9 month old fetus and a 1 day old baby?

Oh look, a moved goal post. 99% of all abortions happen before the second trimester, the remaining 1% only happen because the pregnancy becomes unviable during a later trimester. Try coming up with a real argument instead.
Nobody aborts a fetus a day before natural birth, nobody. Because that's not how abortions work, at that point it's an induced birth, not an abortion.
I'm confident you will be able to figure out what this means on your own, if not ask planned parenthood.

My sperm does not have the full DNA of a unique human. It takes a sperm and an egg to create life. Why do I have to explain basic human biology to you?

There's enough DNA in every single sperm to make a fully functioning and healthy human, it just needs to be duplicated, it's also distinct from your own DNA and no two of your own sperm have identical DNA strands. And yet even then a full set of DNA inside a zygote doesn't make a human by itself, or right away. Why don't you know how a zygote develops into a fetus and then eventually becomes a person?

 

[lolcatzuru]

Expansion of rights is what the constitution was always meant to be used for. Not an authoritarian crackdown on freedoms. Nobody's trying to repeal the second amendment, but there are people trying to tell women that the state gets to determine the extent of control they have over their own bodies.

Well, this is just flat out wrong, the most popular president of all time just said recently " no amendment is absolute" if thats true about an amendment, what does that mean for abortions? maybe getting him in over the orange man was a bad idea.

 

[tabzer]

Just today in fact, and as a child that almost killed her on the way out I can assure you she's a fucking idiot at times.

Lol. "You should have aborted me, mom. You fucking idiot"

How did I know that this is a pretense for your whole argument?

Have you made your mom's life easier recently? Or are you only using her when it's convenient for yourself?

I'm not the one making the human = parasite argument, lol

Also great job at equating fetuses to all of humanity,

I didn't. It is, however, true that no matter the stage of development, a human is a human. Dehumanization is literally what you are doing in your "just a parasite" self-loathing projection.

Let's listen to "hell-lord" about meaningful insights on life. How cliché. You don't even need to say anything for your opinion to be understood.

 

[RAHelllord]

Lol. "You should have aborted me, mom. You fucking idiot"

How did I know that this is a pretense for your whole argument?

It's not a pretense, but I am fully aware that your reading comprehension won't allow you to extract anything beyond the surface meaning.

Also telling you're directly thinking in selfish terms about how I would approach this situation. I wouldn't have been mad at her if she put her own well-being first instead of risking her life for myself. This just in: I don't want other people to suffer for me. Seemingly a concept you are entirely unfamiliar with.
But more directly she should have gotten a c-section instead of pushing me out the old fashioned way, I was a big chonker back then and my mom is very much not big. Again, you going directly for the most selfish way of thinking about this is incredibly telling on yourself and your inability to have any real empathy.

I'm not the one making the human = parasite argument, lol

No, that's literally what you said. Whereas my point is that fetuses aren't people and instead only have characteristics of parasites while they're fetuses. Multiple descriptors can apply to something at once, a concept you are still struggling with. Those same descriptors can also stop applying when the conditions change.

I didn't. It is, however, true that no matter the stage of development, a human is a human. Dehumanization is literally what you are doing in your "just a parasite" self-loathing projection.

This is going to shock you so be sure to sit down and maybe ask for help from an English teacher: Fetuses aren't people, and you can't claim dehumanization is bad and then deny the mother's humanity by restricting their ability to chose.
There is no dehumanization going on on my side because the woman's humanity is the crux of the discussion. The fetus is allowed to do whatever it wants, except subjugate or dictate over the woman. If you are truly giving both parties fully equal rights the outcome is that the woman should be allowed to deny the use of her body to anyone, including a fetus. The fetus can not be placed over the woman or else you are dehumanizing the woman, by denying her the ability to decide over her own body and fate.

But sure, I'm self-loathing because I'm having empathy for actual people being forced to make choices they aren't comfortable with because a bunch of dudes think they know more about the subject than the people it actually affects. You're projecting a lot here if the only reasons you can come up with people would want safe abortions are related to selfishness or self-loathing.