Texas abortion law forced women to carry a dead fetus for 2 weeks

[Dark_Ansem]

It's amazing how all the pro-birthers here are calling abortion "murder" and yet were happy to ignore any lockdown measure at the peak of the pandemic "because of the economy". I guess sick and elderly don't count as people for them?

 

[TraderPatTX]

In addition to very unsatisfying in the marriage.

So, you did your duty then? want a medal?

Imagine having to talk about somebody's marriage that you know nothing about to try and score points. You literally cannot debate the topic so you are forced to use personal attacks. What a f'n loser you are.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Newborn babies are not reliant on their mothers, that doesn't mean they don't have needs that must be met. It just doesn't have to be the mother.

Generally that's how it's done. I'm not gonna sit here and argue edge cases. That's the entire abortion argument as it is. You can only use edge cases to prove your point.

A fetus attached to a woman, is reliant on that woman.

It's funny how the people who will bring up the record for surviving a premature birth, are the same kind of people who will say only women have cervix's and that a man born with a cervix is too rare and should be ignored.

I'm not even sure what this word salad is supposed to mean, but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[TraderPatTX]

A very educated response, from a very reasonable and logical person

You should read the drivel I get on a regular basis. It'll make your eyes bleed.

 

[TraderPatTX]

excuse me... What? What did I just read?
huh???

No like actually what did I just read? Did you just throw up every possible word that could of came out of your mouth in some incoherent rage rambling? Leftists don't like Stalin, and I mean that in a "the majority of leftists don't like Stalin" Not whatever bs your going to pull later.

"There are black, Hispanic, Asian, gays, women, poor etc republicans."
okay and? is the Republican party popular/widely supported?
No? Are they widely supported by minority groups?

So those minorities don't matter to you, right? They are just semi-fascists anyway, amirite comrade?

Also NO?
Then what's the point of your argument? that somehow... that the majority within a ethnic group is supporting... their own suppression??????????? But somehow your the party that's not supressing minorties.... even though trying to ban gay marriage, or excuse me "turn it into states rights issue" which is the same tactic for slavery btw.

Slavery was taken care of by constitutional amendments, written and passed by republicans.

And removal of choice for women or idk,

Choice for what? Killing babies? Guess what? I can't kill babies either.

targeting trans youth hospitals because there is a peditrician that helps tailor to trans people, and putting a bomb threat on it.

Let me know when you get around to reading about Jane's Revenge. You don't get to take the high road here, sport.

Which is... also another set of minorities (specifically trans and gay people)...mkay.

I can't believe you compared trans people to gays and racial minorities. Wow.

edit:
That's a pretty arbitrary line to draw, considering this was the same party who backed a man saying "the illegals are crossing the border and out to take your jobs"

6 million illegal aliens have crossed the border since Sponge-Brains Shits-Pants took office. More than the population of Colorado. And we don't know who they are or where they came from. Many of the women and children were sex trafficked here. And you applaud it. You cheer it on. You want more of it to happen.

PS. It's oppression, not suppression. You sound like an idiot. Now make like a tree and go away.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

So those minorities don't matter to you, right?

So the popular opinion of those minorities don't matter to you right?

Slavery was taken care of by constitutional amendments, written and passed by republicans.

Except no, not Republicans since What is the old day Republicans became the Democrat party, proven by Modern day Republicans use of the southern strategy, which appealed to the KKK and inflamed racial tensions. If it was true that Republicans supported racial equality, they wouldn't have used such a strategy, nor be linked towards KKK like groups.

Choice for what? Killing babies? Guess what? I can't kill babies either.

Except not babies, and except it's not in YOUR body. You do not have the right to choose for women, and most women say they deserve a choice. And I will stick with that front unless they change their mind, because they know better than I do. And it's a fetus, usually 12 weeks old.

I can't believe you compared trans people to gays and racial minorities. Wow.

Under the basis that Gay people and Trans people are another group of minorities? Is that so insane?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft
and it's historically happened before (them being suppressed), and also targeted by Nazi's in Germany (no Wikipedia isn't a source, but the sources on that page are my source)

6 million illegal aliens have crossed the border since Sponge-Brains Shits-Pants took office. More than the population of Colorado. And we don't know who they are or where they came from.

That's also false, you know where" they" came from, considering that "We're going to make Mexico pay for the wall"
It's targeting Mexicans, quit trying to be disingenuous with your beliefs.

Many of the women and children were sex trafficked here. And you applaud it.

That's literately just a ad hominem attack with no basis/evidence. Screech harder.

PS. It's oppression, not suppression. You sound like an idiot who advocates for child s3x trafficking.

Suppression is a synonym for Oppression. If you have to do an attack based on specific word choice and not the argument, then already that's a loss cause. (Which I already proved that your argument is baseless, so I'm not going to bother with your attack)

Edit: since your likely going to throw a fit regardless of what I say
Oppression:
prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.
Suppression:
the restraint or repression of an idea, activity, or reaction by something more powerful.
Both are about restraint and control, and since we're talking Oppression in the sense of the mind and body, Suppression applies here.
The word achieves a similar enough idea. If we want to talk about natural (sounding) verbiage, then yes, opression should of been said for flow sake. But that would still be missing the point of the argument. IE, That your nickpicking words because you cannot find a good argument, so you're throwing the table.

 

[TraderPatTX]

So the popular opinion of those minorities don't matter to you right?

Except no, not Republicans since What is the old day Republicans became the Democrat party, proven by Modern day Republicans use of the southern strategy, which appealed to the KKK and inflamed racial tensions. If it was true that Republicans supported racial equality, they wouldn't have used such a strategy, nor be linked towards KKK like groups.

tHeRe WaS a PaRtY sWiTcH, rUbE!!

Except besides a handful of politicians, nobody actually switched parties.

Except not babies, and except it's not in YOUR body. You do not have the right to choose for women, and most women say they deserve a choice. And I will stick with that front unless they change their mind, because they know better than I do. And it's a fetus, usually 12 weeks old.

If it's usually 12 weeks old, then stop advocating for 9 month abortions. Women say they deserve a lot, lol. Obviously, you've never been married.

Under the basis that Gay people and Trans people are another group of minorities? Is that so insane?

Keep dividing us up into smaller and smaller groups. It's what your masters want so we keep arguing with each other instead of paying attention to them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft
and it's historically happened before (them being suppressed), and also targeted by nazi's in germany (no wikipedia isn't a source, but the sources on that page are my source)

Nazi's also supported abortion, censorship and gun control. Sound familiar?

That's also false, you know where they came from, considering that "We're going to make Mexico pay for the wall"
It's targeting Mexicans, quit trying to be disingenuous with your beliefs.

There are so many stories published proving you wrong. There have been Haitians, Cubans, Venezuelans, Ukrainians and Middle Eastern men coming across the border illegally. And nobody knows who they are. Didn't even check criminal histories or against terror watch lists.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...ppening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/

That's literately just a ad hominem attack with no basis/evidence. Screech harder.

https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/woman-child-sex-trafficking-caught/

Suppression is a synonym for Oppression. If you have to do an attack based on specific word choice and not the argument, then already that's a loss cause.

Just trying to help you not sound like an idiot, but now I know there's no way I could help enough.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

then stop advocating for 9 month abortions.

Never have, stop trying to make a fake version of me that lives in your head rent free.

Nazi's also supported abortion, censorship and gun control. Sound familiar?

Nazi's didn't support abortion, they were pretty against it. Nice attempt at spinning. Censorship, well golly, I don't remember banning books from schools happening from democrats. But what do I know.

It's what your masters

Who's my masters? The one that lives in your head rent free?

There are so many stories published proving you wrong. There have been Haitians, Cubans, Venezuelans, Ukrainians and Middle Eastern men coming across the border illegally.

Yes but not as high amounts as Mexicans or el Salvadorans who are painted as Mexicans, since primarily idk. Gang violence happening in el salvador and that's the reason all of them are fleeing up here, and our refusal to help even though we made the problem.

https://www.cbsnews.com/dfw/news/woman-child-sex-trafficking-caught/

Straw man number 2.
The reason I said you had no evidence, is because your making an accusation directly towards me, and I have given nothing, no basis for your claim to substainate that I support child sex traffiicing (Though it's really awsome of you to target me of all people, since you know. My child hood involves my biological father who was child molester and having to go to thearpy at the age of 8. And I was lucky to even get that therapy in the first place)
I can call you a fascist or adjecent primarily because the things you have said were used as evidence against you. And the things you've previous said substantiated my claim.

tHeRe WaS a PaRtY sWiTcH, rUbE!!

Except besides a handful of politicians, nobody actually switched parties.

You know what? Let's look between a few election years.

Notice that texas is blue here, and the rest are blue, for a long ass while.

1908

1924.
Notice that texas and the entire area that is usually republican, is still blue.

About this point is when the southern stragety happens, and it gradually transitions as jim crow laws are passed, up until regan takes control, at which the shift fully happened.

1944

1968

So far skiping every 20 years roughly. Let's go check in again.

Southern strategy in full effect use by republican party and a blow out year. Let's jump another 20 years.

Notice something?
If you said "the map very quickly flipped" that be the correct answer. The entire map, flipped parties, rapidly. What was blue went red, and what was red went blue (most states don't charge parties like that) twenty years is relatively fast for consensus to just flip like that. Considering it was solid for over 60 years.
New York of all places, was red up until again, southern strategy.

Other words, this proves that a flip did happen. It didn't happen in one night. But it clearly happened through time. Especially considering Regan getting support from the KKK, and the southern strategy started by Nixon.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

Now if you'll excuse me, but I think I had enough of TX giving me second hand brain hemorrhage. good night.

 

[Deleted member 446461]

You do realize that there is a difference between defending a pregnancy and defending a rape, right? Oh, of course not. Too nuanced. Forget about the baby rapists; rapist babies are the problem.

"Rapist babies", what the fuck are you actually talking about?

You're actually willing to make a 10 year old stay with a fetus inside her, aren't you? Wouldn't the baby or the child end up damaged either mentally, physically or both if the baby is born, apart from the damage already done to the child? They're too small for one to be inside another. Not only that, she's just a goddamn kid. She can't be a mother.

How the hell can the thought of """defending a pregnancy""" even cross your fucking mind if who we're talking about is literally a child? This is just advocating for inhuman bullshit. You over here, """defending a pregnancy""" while most likely complaining about the Lightyear movie? Get a grip.

 

[tabzer]

"Rapist babies", what the fuck are you actually talking about?

You're actually willing to make a 10 year old stay with a fetus inside her, aren't you? Wouldn't the baby or the child end up damaged either mentally, physically or both if the baby is born, apart from the damage already done to the child? They're too small for one to be inside another. Not only that, she's just a goddamn kid. She can't be a mother.

How the hell can the thought of """defending a pregnancy""" even cross your fucking mind if who we're talking about is literally a child? This is just advocating for inhuman bullshit. You over here, """defending a pregnancy""" while most likely complaining about the Lightyear movie? Get a grip.

I'm not rationalizing the existence of raped children just so I can advocate abortion as a feels issue.

Get a grip.

 

[smf]

Generally that's how it's done. I'm not gonna sit here and argue edge cases. That's the entire abortion argument as it is. You can only use edge cases to prove your point.

How it's done is irrelevant.

The point was that babies are reliant on their mothers before they are born and not afterwards, when they are reliant on someone. Adoption is possible after birth, you can't adopt a fetus.

Just because you embarrassed yourself by misunderstanding that point is not my problem.

If it's usually 12 weeks old, then stop advocating for 9 month abortions.

If it's usually 12 weeks old, then why are all the pro lifers arguing as if we're advocating 9 month abortions.

I'm not going to sit here and argue edge cases.

I'm not rationalizing the existence of raped children just so I can advocate abortion as a feels issue.

Get a grip.

Abortion is a feels issue. You're just arguing that you feel a different way that is somehow more correct, by ignoring things that don't support your feels.

 

[tabzer]

How it's done is irrelevant.

It's not, because the fact that most children do rely on their mother after they are born means that they rely on their mother after they are born.

Abortion is a feels issue. You're just arguing that you feel a different way that is somehow more correct.

It's not a feels issue in the frame of preventing the unnecessary loss of life, which is exactly the argument being made.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Never have, stop trying to make a fake version of me that lives in your head rent free.

Not you personally. The left in general. Why can't any of you understand when people say "you", it's you as a group and not you personally? None of the leftists here understand that concept.

Nazi's didn't support abortion, they were pretty against it. Nice attempt at spinning. Censorship, well golly, I don't remember banning books from schools happening from democrats. But what do I know.

Well golly, let's just allow kindergartners to look at porn in their school libraries. That's not gr00m1ng at all.

Who's my masters? The one that lives in your head rent free?

Yes but not as high amounts as Mexicans or el Salvadorans who are painted as Mexicans, since primarily idk. Gang violence happening in el salvador and that's the reason all of them are fleeing up here, and our refusal to help even though we made the problem.

The only people who paint El Salvadordans is you since I had to provide the distinction. I can't help that you are racist and think they all look alike.

Straw man number 2.
The reason I said you had no evidence, is because your making an accusation directly towards me, and I have given nothing, no basis for your claim to substainate that I support child sex traffiicing (Though it's really awsome of you to target me of all people, since you know. My child hood involves my biological father who was child molester and having to go to thearpy at the age of 8. And I was lucky to even get that therapy in the first place)
I can call you a fascist or adjecent primarily because the things you have said were used as evidence against you. And the things you've previous said substantiated my claim.

I guarantee that you have always been against building the wall and you are perfectly ok with 6 million illegal aliens in 18 months because "we made the problem".

You know what? Let's look between a few election years.

Notice that texas is blue here, and the rest are blue, for a long ass while.

1908

1924.
Notice that texas and the entire area that is usually republican, is still blue.

About this point is when the southern stragety happens, and it gradually transitions as jim crow laws are passed, up until regan takes control, at which the shift fully happened.

1944

1968

So far skiping every 20 years roughly. Let's go check in again.

Southern strategy in full effect use by republican party and a blow out year. Let's jump another 20 years.

Notice something?
If you said "the map very quickly flipped" that be the correct answer. The entire map, flipped parties, rapidly. What was blue went red, and what was red went blue (most states don't charge parties like that) twenty years is relatively fast for consensus to just flip like that. Considering it was solid for over 60 years.
New York of all places, was red up until again, southern strategy.

Other words, this proves that a flip did happen. It didn't happen in one night. But it clearly happened through time. Especially considering Regan getting support from the KKK, and the southern strategy started by Nixon.

So you are saying that the entire country decided all at once to completely flip, even though less than a handful of national politicians actually changed parties. Does this mean that the current Republicans, who use to be Democrats, are the ones who passed the New Deal and the Great Society? If the parties truly flipped, why were there still segregationists in the Democrat Party into the 80's? Biden was buddies with all of them. And Robert Byrd was a Democrat until the day he died in 2010.

This is to help you with the nuance of the English language.
https://grammarist.com/usage/oppres...ess means to keep,to keep from being revealed.

 

[TraderPatTX]

How it's done is irrelevant.

The point was that babies are reliant on their mothers before they are born and not afterwards, when they are reliant on someone. Adoption is possible after birth, you can't adopt a fetus.

I have proven that other than location, there is very little difference between a 9 month old fetus and a 1 day old infant.

Just because you embarrassed yourself by misunderstanding that point is not my problem.

I have proven that the left dehumanizes people so they can take away constitutional rights. You see it all thru history in the Soviet Union, Germany, and China.

If it's usually 12 weeks old, then why are all the pro lifers arguing as if we're advocating 9 month abortions.

I'm not going to sit here and argue edge cases.

Except Democrat politicians advocate for 9 month abortions and after birth abortions. In fact, Governor Ralph "blackface" Northam talked about making survivors of abortion comfortable while the mother decides to keep it or throw it away.

Abortion is a feels issue. You're just arguing that you feel a different way that is somehow more correct, by ignoring things that don't support your feels.

I'm the one that talks about science. Hence why I initially asked, what is the difference between a 9 month old fetus and a 1 day old baby. Nobody could effectively answer besides pointing out location. A 9 month old fetus and a 1 day old baby is the exact same person. The left talks about a "woman's right to choose", which is based in emotion. This is why the left has to dehumanize fetus's so they can persuade other people that killing them is no big deal. I remember reading somebody did the same thing towards the Jewish population in Europe.

 

[smf]

I have proven that other than location, there is very little difference between a 9 month old fetus and a 1 day old infant.

Ok, it's a good job that nobody apart from you is considering 9 month terminations.

At 12 weeks there is a lot of difference.

I'm the one that talks about science.

No, you're the one who constantly switches arguing about different things.

You think you're doing a good job, but it's not.

I have proven that the left dehumanizes people so they can take away constitutional rights.

You are dehumanizing people by assuming "the left" are a homogeneous group.

What about rights to abortion? Didn't that just get taken away? The constitution isn't magic by the way, it's just a set of laws written by old white men. No different from all the laws that have been written since.

It would be a lot easier for you, if you stopped fighting this imagined culture war that you want to be fighting.

I remember reading somebody did the same thing towards the Jewish population in Europe.

Are you Jewish? How do you think they would feel about you using the holocaust to try to win an argument on a gaming forum?

https://www.ncjw.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Judaism-and-Abortion-FINAL.pdf

 

[TraderPatTX]

Ok, it's a good job that nobody apart from you is considering 9 month terminations.

At 12 weeks there is a lot of difference.

The Democrat Party is considering 9 month terminations. Where do you live, under a rock?

No, you're the one who constantly switches arguing about different things

Sure buddy. Scroll up and you'll see I've had to deal with gay issues, trans issues and debating the fabled national "party switch" in this thread alone.

Let me know when you want to debate actual science instead of your fee fees.

 

[smf]

The Democrat Party is considering 9 month terminations.

Prove it.

Let me know when you want to debate actual science instead of your fee fees.

Scientifically there is no reason why new born babies can't be turned into a nutritional milkshake. Abortion is not a scientific issue.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

This is to help you with the nuance of the English language.
https://grammarist.com/usage/oppres...ess means to keep,to keep from being revealed.

I'd be careful with such claims since you don't seem capable of distinguishing your and you're.

Imagine having to talk about somebody's marriage that you know nothing about to try and score points. You literally cannot debate the topic so you are forced to use personal attacks. What a f'n loser you are.

Answer the question. Do you want a medal? Also, the irony of you of all people trying to stay on the moral high ground, hilariously pathetic.

Prove it.

Plot twist: he can't. Besides they would be medically unsafe.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Prove it.

I already did. Read above.

Scientifically there is no reason why new born babies can't be turned into a nutritional milkshake. Abortion is not a scientific issue.

Your attempts at gaslighting are feeble at best.