[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

You're the one living under the rock. The streets looked like battle zones because the police were attacking peaceful protests. No unrest happened at these until the storm troopers marched in and started tear gassing literally everyone. Only one police station was "taken over". It was actually given to them, and this block turned into "CHAZ". The Seattle police tried to instigate a riot by saying over the radio that the Proud Boys were planning a march (which was a lie), so they abandoned the police station in the hopes of it being burned down just so they'd have an excuse to go after protesters. Nothing was taken over, the police literally just walked away. And it wasn't burnt down like they had hoped, either. Keep up with the facts if you're gonna spew this bullshit. You sound like someone who listens to nothing but right-wing propaganda pieces. I guess it's easier to buy into fear mongering than it is to accept what's actually going on, though.

Projecting, much? You obviously don't know what xenophobic means, and you expressed xenophobia quite clearly by lumping in Muslims with BLM as a means to equate them to terrorists. And what did I say was anti-Semitic, and why is it any time I call someone a racist, they immediately and quite incorrectly retort with "NUH UH, U R TEH RACIST"?

xeno- foreign, phobic- fear (+adj.)
Where was I wrong, teacher? I am not afraid of Muslims. I have lived with them both in the Middle East and Europe. As long as I do not display my "faith" (which I do not have anyway), I get along and understand them quite well. In fact, I much prefer their company over people like you.
What I stated remains true: if anything of the things I mentioned were reversed, hell would have broken lose. Just imagine a "MAGA" part of town. Do you think the media would call it "romantic" as well? (while rapes and other crimes are going on). Imagine "MAGA" people taking over a police station (even if it was not occupied; how the fuck does it matter?)

 

[Joom]

White nationalist groups are, at worst, terrorist organizations, and at best, hate groups.

And they've been on the rise. If anyone can watch this and say these people aren't taking part in domestic terrorism, I won't want to live on this planet anymore. Nothing Antifa or BLM have done could be compared in any way, except maybe for the burning of that Wendy's. That Wendy's didn't deserve it.

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[Chary]

So...
when someone states this:
""We don't want an authoritarian free market, we want libertarian communism! No, those aren't oxymoronic, what is an oxymoron?""
as a response to someone else. When multiple of us had conversations about systems of economics, to only then be completely ignored, along with again, hundred times over, pointing out that what they state is untrue. But when we finally call on the kettle's color, and the raw absurdity then it crosses the line?

Dogpiling on someone is against the rules, regardless of their political viewpoints. Being "wrong" doesn't give others free rein to sling insults or call people clowns, fruit cakes, idiots, etc.

 

[Joom]

Where was I wrong, teacher? I am not afraid of Muslims. I have lived with them both in the Middle East and Europe. As long as I do not display my "faith" (which I do not have anyway), I get along and understand them quite well. In fact, I much prefer their company over people like you.

You're xenophobic by putting Muslims and BLM/antifa together as a means to call them terrorists. You can stop taking definitions from Dictionary.com and reposting them already.

What I stated remains true: if anything of the things I mentioned were reversed, hell would have broken lose. Just imagine a "MAGA" part of town. Do you think the media would call it "romantic" as well? (while rapes and other crimes are going on). Imagine "MAGA" people taking over a police station (even if it was not occupied; how the fuck does it matter?)

Why would a bunch of white nationalists start burning down shit when things have been going their way? It wouldn't make sense. You also still don't seem to understand what the protests have been all about. They had nothing to do with Trump and were all about police brutality and injustice. Again, don't involve yourself in American politics if you don't keep up with any of it in a proper fashion.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Fact check:

1. White nationalism is, by definition, racist and separatist, with or without the terrorist actions you described.

By your definition. Logic disagrees with you. If white nationalism is by definition racist and separatist, then black nationalism would be as well. I doubt you agree that it is.

 

[Deleted User]

Dogpiling on someone is against the rules, regardless of their political viewpoints. Being "wrong" doesn't give others free rein to sling insults or call people clowns, fruit cakes, idiots, etc.

It's not even a political view point at this point chary. Are you seriously telling me that democrats, moderate right individuals of today are going to bring in libertarian communism. It is factually wrong by the book. And it definitely makes a point for someone who is at worst, disenfranchised to reality (an idiot, fruitloop, whatever word), and at best, misinformed. And when they are told they are wrong, many times over.

 

[Chary]

It's not even a political view point at this point chary. Are you seriously telling me that democrats, moderate right individuals are going to bring in libertarian communism. It is factually wrong by the book. And it definitely makes a point for someone who is at worst, disenfranchised by reality, and at best, misinformed.

You literally called a guy a fruitcake. I don't give a crap about the politics involved. Absurd or not isn't for me to say because I'm trying to stay impartial, but adhering to the rules is. Your comment had NOTHING political in it, just an insult. Just keep the debating clean.

 

[Deleted User]

You literally called a guy a fruitcake. I don't give a crap about the politics involved. Absurd or not isn't for me to say because I'm trying to stay impartial, but adhering to the rules is. Your comment had NOTHING political in it, just an insult. Just keep the debating clean.

actually it did have something political.
I was commenting on his statement
""We don't want an authoritarian free market, we want libertarian communism! No, those aren't oxymoronic, what is an oxymoron?""
I was pretty much heavily implying his statement was absurd.

 

[Deleted User]

If I recall correctly, this was my original statement
"the person above me is a fruitcake. I'm not going to explain why, the statement above explains itself"
Inherently, me calling this statement, even if I didn't quote it. was political in your rules to the line of logic I can understand. Since you could argue it's an opinion and a political statement.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

You're xenophobic by putting Muslims and BLM/antifa together as a means to call them terrorists.

I did not call either of them terrorists.
I lumped them together soley for the purpose of exposing media/polticial/your bias.

You can stop taking definitions from Dictionary.com and reposting them already.

I don´t need to. Unlike arrogant Americans, Jews usually speak several languages fluently and know some aspects of etymology.

Why would a bunch of white nationalists start burning down shit when things have been going their way?

They are statistically being replaced (which is *BIAS ALERT* a conspiracy theory when they say it, and a cause for celebration when the media says it). They have not burned things down but they have killed people, including my people. I condemn these actions but I also don´t deny bias and facts (unlike you).

They had nothing to do with Trump and were all about police brutality and injustice. Again, don't involve yourself in American politics if you don't keep up with any of it in a proper fashion.

That wasn´t my point (see above).

 

[Lacius]

By your definition. Logic disagrees with you. If white nationalism is by definition racist and separatist, then black nationalism would be as well. I doubt you agree that it is.

Whether I agree is irrelevant, since BLM is not black nationalism.

 

[Chary]

actually it did have something political.
I was commenting on his statement
""We don't want an authoritarian free market, we want libertarian communism! No, those aren't oxymoronic, what is an oxymoron?""
I was pretty much heavily implying his statement was absurd.

Absurdity and idiocy, if they exist, will speak for themselves.

I'm not here to debate anything. For all I care, I agree with you. But you didn't bother to explain anything, and your comment boiled down to giving up and resulting to calling a guy an idiot. I get that it's totally frustrating, but everything past that was a chain of everyone mudslinging. Let the words speak for themselves if it's that ridiculous.

 

[IncredulousP]

Me reading this thread like https://giphy.com/gifs/popcorn-movie-nothing-RHiD0K65NxxLO

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Whether I agree is irrelevant, since BLM is not black nationalism.

Black power, perhaps?

They mean the same thing.

 

[Big Man Tyrone2]

By your definition. Logic disagrees with you. If white nationalism is by definition racist and separatist, then black nationalism would be as well. I doubt you agree that it is.

BLM does not advocate for black nationalism.

 

[Lacius]

Black power, perhaps?

They mean the same thing.

Fact check:

1. BLM is not black nationalism.
2. Black Power is not black nationalism.
3. BLM is not necessarily Black Power.
4. Black Power is about self-determination, which is not black nationalism.

 

[Big Man Tyrone2]

Black power, perhaps?

They mean the same thing.

Black Power and White Power have, at least in the US, very different origins.

They do not mean the same thing, a basic understanding of African-American history in the US can tell you this.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Whether I agree is irrelevant, since BLM is not black nationalism.

Neither is MAGA (which I oppose btw) white nationalism, but it doesn´t matter the media and certain people.

If MAGA people talked about "allies" and "justice for white people", I am sure you will be ready to call them white nationalists.

 

[Deleted User]

Absurdity and idiocy, if they exist, will speak for themselves.

I'm not here to debate anything. For all I care, I agree with you. But you didn't bother to explain anything, and your comment boiled down to giving up and resulting to calling a guy an idiot. I get that it's totally frustrating, but everything past that was a chain of everyone mudslinging. Let the words speak for themselves if it's that ridiculous.

Yes let word for speak for themselves, but we live in a time where disinformation is high, so you have to point out the absurdity or else it gets lost within the mess. Anyways, done discussion here.

 

[Big Man Tyrone2]

Neither is MAGA (which I oppose btw) white nationalism, but it doesn´t matter the media and certain people.

If MAGA people talked about "allies" and "justice for white people", I am sure you will be ready to call them white nationalists.

Yes, if you compare both statements in a vacuum. But context is very important to understand these statements. Swapping black with white does not have the same effect.

By the way, MAGA does not equal white nationalism.