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[bestpersonevar]

a brand new japanese majora's mask n3ds will be a proper firmware for cfw, correct?

 

[thedude28]

a brand new japanese majora's mask n3ds will be a proper firmware for cfw, correct?

I would say you would be gambling on it since it came out in February.

 

[Aroth]

a brand new japanese majora's mask n3ds will be a proper firmware for cfw, correct?

Check the serial. The demand for the MM N3DS was so high they had to actually produce a a few additional waves of the system and the latest wave was on 9.4.

Use the lists in this thread to find a N3DS system that is on 9.2 or lower.
https://gbatemp.net/threads/n3ds-xl-firmware-by-version-number.381479/

 

[Stellar]

Can anyone tell me if there are any downsides to downgrading your sysnand MSET for the ds profile exploit? I'm not too happy with the boot rate of themehax, so I wanna have another way to boot into rxTools while I'm offline, however I seem to remember something about save files not working after downgrading the MSET?

 

[Aroth]

Can anyone tell me if there are any downsides to downgrading your sysnand MSET for the ds profile exploit? I'm not too happy with the boot rate of themehax, so I wanna have another way to boot into rxTools while I'm offline, however I seem to remember something about save files not working after downgrading the MSET?

The save file thing is only if you downgrade the entire firmware. All you do when installing the 4.5 MSET is replace the system settings application. You will loose any new settings options that were added after 4.5 (stuff like the wireless sd card management) while you are om your sysnand. Assuming you have an emu and set up, there will be no lasting impact for you.

 

[Xinaman]

I have a 4.1 o3ds and my question is:
Do i need to be at 9.0~9.2 to use hbl?

 

[pdaboy]

it looks the same but this is the link to set up ninjhax1 NINJHAX - 3DS Homebrew Exploit you will know its the correct site because the highest fw it lets you select is 9.2

Finally got it all going. In the end I got it working with Ninjhax 2.5 and Themehax 1.3 offline installer. When the screens went black installing themehax I pressed A once and waited 30 seconds and then pressed start and it went back to hbl. Once I rebooted and held down l button hbl loaded. I've since got it booting rxtools by switching on and holding the l button. Shame I cant autoboot without holding any button as ctrbootmanager doesnt seem to work properly on ninjhax 2.5. Still all this is good enough for me. One more job todo and thats to transfer from this 4gb card to a 64gb card to give me enough space.
Thanks a lot for your help in getting this working

 

[BobDoleOwndU]

I have a 4.1 o3ds and my question is:
Do i need to be at 9.0~9.2 to use hbl?

Nope, the HBL will work on 4.1. If you want to install Themehax you will need to upgrade to 9.0-9.2.

 

[pdaboy]

Finally got it all going. In the end I got it working with Ninjhax 2.5 and Themehax 1.3 offline installer. When the screens went black installing themehax I pressed A once and waited 30 seconds and then pressed start and it went back to hbl. Once I rebooted and held down l button hbl loaded. I've since got it booting rxtools by switching on and holding the l button. Shame I cant autoboot without holding any button as ctrbootmanager doesnt seem to work properly on ninjhax 2.5. Still all this is good enough for me. One more job todo and thats to transfer from this 4gb card to a 64gb card to give me enough space.
Thanks a lot for your help in getting this working

Seems my issue was down to this
https://github.com/yellows8/3ds_homemenuhax/issues/22#issuecomment-151675461

 

[dsdork]

I have two 3DSs on 4.5 10u with very early Gateway cards. I haven't updated either of them in ages, both are on Omega 2.2. I want to get a 3rd 3DS for my youngest kid and update them all so they act pretty much the same and can play newer games.

Questions:

• what kind of 3DS should I look for if I want them all to act pretty much the same? (The newest XL looks nice, I'm willing to hunt around a bit for older FW if needed.)
• is using emunand and all that too complicated for kids to use? (my kids can check the NDS profile to launch the gateway when needed)
• should I keep the firmwares on both on 4.5?
• any other advice?

Thanks!

 

[wormdood]

I have two 3DSs on 4.5 10u with very early Gateway cards. I haven't updated either of them in ages, both are on Omega 2.2. I want to get a 3rd 3DS for my youngest kid and update them all so they act pretty much the same and can play newer games.

Questions:

• what kind of 3DS should I look for if I want them all to act pretty much the same? (The newest XL looks nice, I'm willing to hunt around a bit for older FW if needed.)
• is using emunand and all that too complicated for kids to use? (my kids can check the NDS profile to launch the gateway when needed)
• should I keep the firmwares on both on 4.5?
• any other advice?

Thanks!

thats an old setup alright you can/should update gateway cards so you can update emunand safely
as well now people are updating sysnand to 9.2/9.0 for convenience of themehax which will autoboot cfw (rxtools/pasta) https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=LcAMVMpXjzo (perfect for kids in my opinion)

 

[dsdork]

thats an old setup alright you can/should update gateway cards so you can update emunand safely
as well now people are updating sysnand to 9.2/9.0 for convenience of themehax which will autoboot cfw (rxtools/pasta) https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=LcAMVMpXjzo (perfect for kids in my opinion)

Thanks!

I'll read up more but am wondering if I update the GW software and actually start using emunand, will a new 3DS that is on <9.2 have the same basic usability as the old 4.5s. I really don't want to hunt for another 4.5, finding the second one was a huge pain a few years ago.

 

[Aroth]

• what kind of 3DS should I look for if I want them all to act pretty much the same? (The newest XL looks nice, I'm willing to hunt around a bit for older FW if needed.)

If you want them all to act pretty much the same, then you will need to stick with an O3DS (older model, either original or XL) rather than a New 3DS XL. The N3DS can only update EmuNAND as far as 9.5, which can pose some minor inconveniences with newer games and things like playing online or accessing the eshop. Not to say you CAN'T do those things, but its not as simple as making sure EmuNAND is fully updated.

• is using emunand and all that too complicated for kids to use? (my kids can check the NDS profile to launch the gateway when needed)

Not complicated at all. Unfortunately if you follow my above advice and stick to an O3DS, afaik you cannot use the MSET exploit (NDS profile launch) to boot gateway. You would have to either use Cubic Ninja or the browser exploit.

• should I keep the firmwares on both on 4.5?

This is a personal preference. If you can find an O3DS on 4.5, keeping the SysNAND there enables you to continue using the NDS profile to launch gateway, but updating SysNAND to 9.0 or 9.2 allows you to use newer homebrew.

• any other advice?

My personal suggestion would be to look into a New 3DS XL on 9.0 or 9.2 for yourself and set it up with ReiNAND, Cakes or rxTools (the three CFW options available for a N3DS) and pass your current 3DS and its gateway card on to your youngest rather than try and track down an O3DS on 4.5 AND buy a 3rd gateway cart.

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Thanks!

I'll read up more but am wondering if I update the GW software and actually start using emunand, will a new 3DS that is on <9.2 have the same basic usability as the old 4.5s. I really don't want to hunt for another 4.5, finding the second one was a huge pain a few years ago.

The biggest difference in functionality between a 3DS that is on 4.5 and one that is on 9.0-9.2 in regards to gateway is the method with which you launch it. If you upgrade SysNAND to 9.0 with an O3DS, you will lose the ability to launch gateway from the NDS Profile. You will need to either use the browser or use something like Cubic Ninja. If you get a New 3DS (the new model with the upgraded hardware) you will still be able to use the NDS Profile to launch GW after the initial set up (first time requires Cubic Ninja or Ocarina of Time) but at the cost of being able to update EmuNAND past 9.5.

 

[dsdork]

Aroth- Thanks!

The biggest difference in functionality between a 3DS that is on 4.5 and one that is on 9.0-9.2 in regards to gateway is the method with which you launch it. If you upgrade SysNAND to 9.0 with an O3DS, you will lose the ability to launch gateway from the NDS Profile. You will need to either use the browser or use something like Cubic Ninja. If you get a New 3DS (the new model with the upgraded hardware) you will still be able to use the NDS Profile to launch GW after the initial set up (first time requires Cubic Ninja or Ocarina of Time) but at the cost of being able to update EmuNAND past 9.5.

A few more questions:

• On my O3DS (I'm assuming O = old or original), Is there any reason to upgrade the SysNAND to 9.0? What does this get me?
• If I get the new 3DS hardware, I MUST get Cubic Ninja or Ocarina of Time to use Gateway? Do I even need a gateway for it if I have CN or OOT?

The new one is for the little guy BTW, he never gets new stuff.

 

[Aroth]

Aroth- Thanks!

A few more questions:

• On my O3DS (I'm assuming O = old or original), Is there any reason to upgrade the SysNAND to 9.0? What does this get me?
• If I get the new 3DS hardware, I MUST get Cubic Ninja or Ocarina of Time to use Gateway? Do I even need a gateway for it if I have CN or OOT?

The new one is for the little guy BTW, he never gets new stuff.

The O in O3DS does mean old or original, with N3DS referring to the newer model that came out this year.

Upgrading to 9.0 allows you to access the newer entry points like ninjhax, browswerhax, and themehax. In addition, you can use the newer cfw options and, when combined with themehax, set up an autoboot for them so that the 3DS will boot into your CFW of choice as soon as you turn it on. With CFW you get a large range of extra tools depending on the one you use. I am not 100% certain on compatibility between the various options and the O3DS and N3DS. Afaik, there is at least one that only works on the N3DS, and maybe one that only works on the O3DS. The two with the largest range of features are NTR and rxTools. I could be wrong, but if memory serves, the newer versions of NTR only work on the N3DS, and while the nightly builds of rxTools 3.0 will run on the N3DS, the latest official build (2.6) only supports the O3DS. A few of the features in rxTools 3.0 are limited to the O3DS as well.

As for your second question, to be honest the only reason you would need a GW cart is to load .3ds/.3dz files. Of the four available CFW options for 9.0-9.2 systems, the first three I listed patch the signature checks that block .cia installation so you can install your games directly to the SD card with no need for GW, plus they all include a variety of tools that GW does not have. NTR does not patch signature checks (and thus will not run pirated software like .cias).

Also, I was slightly mistaken about needing Cubic Ninja or Ocarina of Time. You can follow this guide up to the point where you install the Cubic Ninja .cia file and when it loads the Gateway menu to create the EmuNAND, you could switch back to the normal GW installation tutorial. This is only needed for the initial set up, at which point you can install the 4.5 mset and nvram patches, then start using the NDS profile exploit like you are used to with your 4.5 O3DS.

https://gbatemp.net/threads/tutorial-how-to-install-a-cfw-on-a-9-0-9-2-n3ds-without-cn-oot.398394/

 

[dsdork]

the nightly builds of rxTools 3.0 will run on the N3DS, the latest official build (2.6) only supports the O3DS

Thanks again!
Seems like I might want to wait for a build of rxTools that runs on both N3DS and O3DS so I can have the 3 systems running a similar setup. At this point I guess I can set aside my gateways.
The 3DS scene has come so damn far, thanks for taking the time to help an old timer (old enough to have flashed a fat DS to launch .nds off of a Supercard GBA back in the day). I expect that CFW is really the way to go for the 3DS long term.

 

[Aroth]

Thanks again!
Seems like I might want to wait for a build of rxTools that runs on both N3DS and O3DS so I can have the 3 systems running a similar setup. At this point I guess I can set aside my gateways.
The 3DS scene has come so damn far, thanks for taking the time to help an old timer (old enough to have flashed a fat DS to launch .nds off of a Supercard GBA back in the day). I expect that CFW is really the way to go for the 3DS long term.

CFW has certainly come a long way from the days of Palantine (from what I've seen/read anyways, wasn't around myself back then). As for waiting on rxTools, from what I understand the latest nightly builds are very stable and the only reason some features are missing on the N3DS is because of changes to New3DS FIRM. Apparently Arm9 received an extra layer of encryption that is responsible for preventing TWL_FIRM and AGL_FIRM patches (something to do with DS/DSi and VC GBA titles) and is why we can't update EmuNAND past 9.5.

You may be waiting a good long while for an "official" release of rxTools 3.0 because it is entirely opensource and being developed by some people from here now (the same team that did PastaCFW iirc) since the original dev retired. There really shouldn't be any reason to wait at this point.

 

[wormdood]

Thanks again!
Seems like I might want to wait for a build of rxTools that runs on both N3DS and O3DS so I can have the 3 systems running a similar setup. At this point I guess I can set aside my gateways.
The 3DS scene has come so damn far, thanks for taking the time to help an old timer (old enough to have flashed a fat DS to launch .nds off of a Supercard GBA back in the day). I expect that CFW is really the way to go for the 3DS long term.

@Aroth is correct there is no reason to wait while the n3ds and o3ds can not use all the same features of rxtools all the core/major ones are there so they will work the same for everyday use (ex: loading, menus) the main difference as noted by aroth is that on a n3ds you can only update emunand to 9.5 while o3ds can update emunand to 10.2 but you can still use online features (online games, eshop) with Free Multi Patcher . any new(condition) 3ds/3dsxl/2ds will come in a hackable fw version my opinion if the "new" 3ds is for the youngest i would avoid the n3ds as it will be the odd one out(need slightly more instruction/work/setup to work it) if you are set on a n3ds then use this link https://gbatemp.net/threads/n3ds-xl-firmware-by-version-number.381479/ when you get your new n3ds/o3ds (or even before that) you can let go yo your gateway(s) rxtools for n3ds and o3ds are very similar and even use the same emunand as gateway which should make the transition easier in fact if you want to try it out before hand there is nothing stopping you [Tutorial] Installing rxTools Custom Firmware - (3DS and 2DS)

 

[wormdood]

also i would like to try to correct a few things

The biggest difference in functionality between a 3DS that is on 4.5 and one that is on 9.0-9.2 in regards to gateway is the method with which you launch it. If you upgrade SysNAND to 9.0 with an O3DS, you will lose the ability to launch gateway from the NDS Profile. You will need to either use the browser or use something like Cubic Ninja.

i am pretty sure this is incorrect and you can use a downgraded version of mset i believe i remember samiam144 saying that it is "the only way to load gateway on 9.2" about a month ago anyway ask him about it in his guide thread [Tutorial] Installing rxTools Custom Firmware - (3DS and 2DS)

Upgrading to 9.0 allows you to access the newer entry points like ninjhax, browswerhax, and themehax.

aflack nintendo blocked browserhax but n3ds (like bruce lee) avoids the block with shear speed
if he updates his o3ds it will be slow enough to get blocked

As for your second question, to be honest the only reason you would need a GW cart is to load .3ds/.3dz files. Of the four available CFW options for 9.0-9.2 systems, the first three I listed patch the signature checks that block .cia installation so you can install your games directly to the SD card with no need for GW, plus they all include a variety of tools that GW does not have. NTR does not patch signature checks (and thus will not run pirated software like .cias).

this is not exactly wrong just a little misleading the newer versions of NTR are packed as a cia that you can run on top of other cfws to add NTRs functions to them so even tho it is a cfw it is more like a plugin (lol a plugin that adds plugin support)
edit: sorry i double posted

 

[vonfnas]

I updated my O3DS a few days ago to 9.2.0-20 to fix themehax, but alas... browserhax is blocked. Is there anyway to fix themehax for me? I don't have Cubic Ninja, but I do have OoT3DS and Gateway 3DS, if that helps.