Wood Firmwares v1.29

[Another World]

i'm still curious to discuss the screen capture snailface posted. according to that the faq says he is within his rights and is under no obligation to release the source since its his gpl license. but has lost "moral standing" by pulling the source code and not giving to to those who may or may not have asked for it.

-another world

 

[ywg]

1. To people who says, that wood violate something. Whose rights specifically is violated? Without answer to this question further discussion is meaningles.
2. Why you all claim me with violation then it does not happens, but not claim all other teams? The most of them (if not all) use parts of wood source code. For example WarioWare - D.I.Y. fix. I don't sure for all flashcarts, but several ones I was checked use my code. Another example: Castlevania - Portrait of Ruin. At least supercard and cyclo use my fix. And finally in last half-year many new flash-kits appears that use a little visually modified wood. Of course without any source code released.

So there is strange situation. There is many violation of my rights, but nobody cares about this, instead claiming me that I violate somebody rights. Who this is Somebody? I want see him.

My opinion that all this claims to me goes from "new flash-kits owners". They loose free source to making moneys and now make war against me. I hope that GBATemp stuff will reasonable and don't succumb to provocation.

3. About pokemon typing game — be patient.
4. Union room and pockemon black japanize — the rom is bad dump. There is a trash instead of some piece of code. So game crashes.

 

[gbatempfan1]

Why exactly is Wood not on the Ak2i? The only reasons I heard was because it is open source and because of akaio's license agreement.

 

[shakirmoledina]

true that ppl took yer fixes but why is he doing so (ywg)? Isnt he doing so to help others and have them enjoy the games? If they take your fixes and modify it to help even more ppl then whats the harm? WE respect his work on wood but to take it soo seriously seems like he is taking money which ofcourse he is not doing so.

Oh noticed u posted so what do u say? is it about fame and justice or about just bringing together a gaming community and having fun.

 

[Attila13]

Yay for another update!
Thanks!

 

[The Catboy]

Here's the problem...
To the best of my knowledge, Wood is based off the AceKard RPG's source code. If the previous statement is true, then YWG has no right to make it closed source since it is not his code. No one denies that he's done a HELL of a lot of work on it, but the base is someone else' code.
How about we complain about AKAIO or EOS well we are at it since both of those use the same code and are closed-sourced.
As I said just last night
QUOTE(A Gay Little Catboy @ Apr 29 2011, 10:49 PM) Or I have a better idea. How about we just ignore it and let things be as they are. I would rather Wood be closed-sourced than no Wood at all.

We should just leave well enough alone. We have Wood, it updates regularly, life is good that way.

 

[Schlupi]

The base AKRPG code was released to the public domain which means people could do what ever they like to it even relicense it. YWG has done nothing wrong regarding the GPL except possibly removing the older versions sources.

Well... let's just repost this here to remind people. The last time Normmatt posted insight people forgot and it drowned in the flood of Pokenoobs posts.

 

[Rydian]

The base AKRPG code was released to the public domain which means people could do what ever they like to it even relicense it.Yeah somebody PMed me about this, but the only source I know that's actually GPL'd is Wood. Whatever the other sources are is up to their authors.

YWG has done nothing wrong regarding the GPL except possibly removing the older versions sources.YWG yes, GBAtemp no. If the sources are not available we can't distribute the binaries, so it'll have to be the same sort of deal as when we do news about Battle Kid being dumped and other such things... we can talk about it, but can't host or link... Well I guess if we have the author's permission we could perhaps link back to his site (such as how Rockstar released GTA2 for free on their site so we link to their site), but I'm not clear on that stuff.

If you think I'm saying Wood has to stop, that's not it. I'm saying GBAtemp/Filetrip has to stop hosting/linking Wood if the sources are not available.

The GPL is legally-recognized license, and a promise to the community remain open-source. I will not knowingly do GPL violations, I'm in fact willing to drop my mag staff position if this isn't solved because I don't want to be a part of it.

also at this point this is all speculation because if we asked i'm sure he would give the source.

Others and I can confirm he's not.

AW you're the one always giving speeches on how hypocritical people can be in regards to pirating piracy devices. Let me ask you... we remove other stuff every day for license violations, but the rules don't apply when it comes to wood? This is not just about the author's wishes, this is the damned GPL. "Damned GPL"? Yeah, it's copy-left, I am of the opinion that it's "viral" in a bad way, but it's legally-recognized.

QUOTE(ywg @ Apr 30 2011, 05:02 AM)

If you have contact info for people doing ports of Wood without the sources, post it on GBAtemp asking people not to use it until the author gives source, and for people to send in requests for the source. People like Wood, people like you, and I think they'd be willing to do that for you. I don't want to make you mad or force you, which is why I've waited weeks before confronting you, but this is a concern for the site, and as mag staff it's my duty to make sure that reported news is safe for the site.

 

[Bunie]

Without further ado, our first question:

Q: Why did you take the source code offline?
A: Main reason: many cases of license violations.

Isn't that a license violation itself?

Thats what i was thinking. With that..GL thing...AK made the source open and put that lisence on there that it must remain open.

EDIT: Just read Rydians post. The source was released so that anyone could do what they needed with it, so long as it remains open.
And yet people get so mad when its ported to other cards such as the DSTT. "terrible" flash carts don't have to be terrible. The R4 showed us this. The R4 was a Peice of Crap with YSMenu untill YWG Came along. the DSTT and the R4 where no different untill this. And yet alot of you cry when someone puts it on a different card?

Srsly

give us the Code and lets make a universal firmware!

So the guy who paid 50$ for his card and then support left him behind, Can play the same games as the guy who paid $5. I Have an R4 (Thanks to Luke_c) but i would much rather have this on my DSTT as it supports SDHC.

 

[Snailface]

-snip-

YWG has done nothing wrong regarding the GPL except possibly removing the older versions sources.

YWG yes, GBAtemp no. If the sources are not available we can't distribute the binaries, so it'll have to be the same sort of deal as when we do news about Battle Kid being dumped and other such things... we can talk about it, but can't host or link... Well I guess if we have the author's permission we could perhaps link back to his site (such as how Rockstar released GTA2 for free on their site so we link to their site), but I'm not clear on that stuff.

If you think I'm saying Wood has to stop, that's not it. I'm saying GBAtemp/Filetrip has to stop hosting/linking Wood if the sources are not available.

The GPL is legally-recognized license, and a promise to the community remain open-source. I will not knowingly do GPL violations, I'm in fact willing to drop my mag staff position if this isn't solved because I don't want to be a part of it.
-snip-

YWG is not violating the GPL.

I'm tired of re-posting this.

 

[gamefan5]

Without further ado, our first question:

Q: Why did you take the source code offline?
A: Main reason: many cases of license violations.

Isn't that a license violation itself?

Thats what i was thinking. With that..GL thing...AK made the source open and put that lisence on there that it must remain open.

EDIT: Just read Rydians post. The source was released so that anyone could do what they needed with it, so long as it remains open.
And yet people get so mad when its ported to other cards such as the DSTT. "terrible" flash carts don't have to be terrible. The R4 showed us this. The R4 was a Peice of Crap with YSMenu untill YWG Came along. the DSTT and the R4 where no different untill this. And yet alot of you cry when someone puts it on a different card?

Srsly

give us the Code and lets make a universal firmware!

So the guy who paid 50$ for his card and then support left him behind, Can play the same games as the guy who paid $5. I Have an R4 (Thanks to Luke_c) but i would much rather have this on my DSTT as it supports SDHC.

Exactly, isn't that what this community is all about? Helping each other?

 

[RoMee]

man, now the dstt people are here, I've seen what you guys did to retro, leave YWG alone.
you guys already have a universal firmware.

 

[Coto]

WOODR4 IS A FAVOR

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WOODR4 IS A FAVOR


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WOODR4 IS A FAVOR


Both normatt & WYG are smart enough to do not take words from whining kids, which can´t even design proper kernels for their cards, i`m 101% sure about that.

 

[Bunie]

-snip-

YWG has done nothing wrong regarding the GPL except possibly removing the older versions sources.

YWG yes, GBAtemp no. If the sources are not available we can't distribute the binaries, so it'll have to be the same sort of deal as when we do news about Battle Kid being dumped and other such things... we can talk about it, but can't host or link... Well I guess if we have the author's permission we could perhaps link back to his site (such as how Rockstar released GTA2 for free on their site so we link to their site), but I'm not clear on that stuff.

If you think I'm saying Wood has to stop, that's not it. I'm saying GBAtemp/Filetrip has to stop hosting/linking Wood if the sources are not available.

The GPL is legally-recognized license, and a promise to the community remain open-source. I will not knowingly do GPL violations, I'm in fact willing to drop my mag staff position if this isn't solved because I don't want to be a part of it.
-snip-

YWG is not violating the GPL.

I'm tired of re-posting this.

That would be true, IF HE CREATED WOOD! Wood is a branch from AK. and he is bound by the AK Code to keep it open.

 

[The Catboy]

-snip-

YWG has done nothing wrong regarding the GPL except possibly removing the older versions sources.

YWG yes, GBAtemp no. If the sources are not available we can't distribute the binaries, so it'll have to be the same sort of deal as when we do news about Battle Kid being dumped and other such things... we can talk about it, but can't host or link... Well I guess if we have the author's permission we could perhaps link back to his site (such as how Rockstar released GTA2 for free on their site so we link to their site), but I'm not clear on that stuff.

If you think I'm saying Wood has to stop, that's not it. I'm saying GBAtemp/Filetrip has to stop hosting/linking Wood if the sources are not available.

The GPL is legally-recognized license, and a promise to the community remain open-source. I will not knowingly do GPL violations, I'm in fact willing to drop my mag staff position if this isn't solved because I don't want to be a part of it.
-snip-

YWG is not violating the GPL.

I'm tired of re-posting this.

That would be true, IF HE CREATED WOOD! Wood is a branch from AK. and he is bound by the AK Code to keep it open.

Then tell that to the AKAIO team or maybe the Supercard team because they too are using the same code and keep it closed

 

[Snailface]

-snip-

YWG has done nothing wrong regarding the GPL except possibly removing the older versions sources.

YWG yes, GBAtemp no. If the sources are not available we can't distribute the binaries, so it'll have to be the same sort of deal as when we do news about Battle Kid being dumped and other such things... we can talk about it, but can't host or link... Well I guess if we have the author's permission we could perhaps link back to his site (such as how Rockstar released GTA2 for free on their site so we link to their site), but I'm not clear on that stuff.

If you think I'm saying Wood has to stop, that's not it. I'm saying GBAtemp/Filetrip has to stop hosting/linking Wood if the sources are not available.

The GPL is legally-recognized license, and a promise to the community remain open-source. I will not knowingly do GPL violations, I'm in fact willing to drop my mag staff position if this isn't solved because I don't want to be a part of it.
-snip-

YWG is not violating the GPL.

I'm tired of re-posting this.

That would be true, IF HE CREATED WOOD! Wood is a branch from AK. and he is bound by the AK Code to keep it open.

The source code of AKRPG is Public Domain, not GPL as stated by Normmatt himself in a previous post. That means the ywg is free to take it and call it his own as if it was a sofa left on a street corner. No GPL restrictions apply to the ywg because he is legally the developer of Wood under the GPL license.

 

[Another World]

That would be true, IF HE CREATED WOOD! Wood is a branch from AK. and he is bound by the AK Code to keep it open.

from how i understood it the RPG sources were put online so anyone could use them, under no license. the way you guys are looking it is that he is under a moral obligation. i'll contact acekard and see if they will shed some light on the rpg sources.

@rydian: he used code that was under no license, licensed it, but is the license holder so from what the gpl faq says he violated nothing. i don't understand how you compare a firmware for a flash kit to a rom that sold 50,000+ copies on a cart. are you just saying because they are both "licensed" that we should pay attention?

i only avoid certain piracy issues on here because its the rules of the site. i can not group roms with his firmware, it just doesn't make sense to me and they are not even in the same ballpark. this whole site is a grey area, we walk a fine line. i don't see a gpl issue with wood being an "issue" at all. unless someone reading this thread or who wants to port wood pushes the issue. at which point i think they won't win because it doesn't appear he did anything wrong.

i'd welcome a constructive review of the gpl license to better explain this situation to all.

-another world

 

[Rydian]

I'm tired of re-posting this.I addressed that.

YWG yes, GBAtemp no. If the sources are not available we can't distribute the binaries, so it'll have to be the same sort of deal as when we do news about Battle Kid being dumped and other such things... we can talk about it, but can't host or link... Well I guess if we have the author's permission we could perhaps link back to his site (such as how Rockstar released GTA2 for free on their site so we link to their site), but I'm not clear on that stuff.

If you think I'm saying Wood has to stop, that's not it. I'm saying GBAtemp/Filetrip has to stop hosting/linking Wood if the sources are not available.

The GPL is legally-recognized license, and a promise to the community remain open-source. I will not knowingly do GPL violations, I'm in fact willing to drop my mag staff position if this isn't solved because I don't want to be a part of it.

from how i understood it the RPG sources were put online so anyone could use them, under no license.This is the way I understand it as well. This only concerns Wood and it's derivatives.

@rydian: he used code that was under no license, licensed it, but is the license holder so from what the gpl faq says he violated nothing.Him no, GBAtemp yes.

QUOTE(Another World @ Apr 30 2011, 01:27 PM)

are you just saying because they are both "licensed" that we should pay attention?

Yes, for the site. We need to be cautionary.

QUOTE(Another World @ Apr 30 2011, 01:27 PM)

i only avoid certain piracy issues on here because its the rules of the site.
[...]
with that said, find me on irc and i'm the first hook you up with a full set of MAME4ALL. you have to separate the rules of this site (which i follow for the longevity of the site) from who i am (a rom pirate of old school systems).

I'm only concerned with what's being posted on the site.

I pirate shit, too.
Yeah I've got some PC games, but I've also pirated a few.
Yeah I've got a collection of GBA games, but I've probably pirated as many as I've bought.
Yeah I've got some DS games, but I know I've pirated at least 50% more than I've bought.

However I'm not concerned with that, I'm only concerned with what's on the site, according to the site's rules (as is my job being staff).

 

[z.g]

here is original ak license:

Spoiler

/*---------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Copyright  2007 Acekard, www.acekard.com

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN
THE SOFTWARE.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------*/

it is not gpl. read this carefully.
I think you all here including Another World and Rydian do a wrong thing here.

 

[Rydian]

here is original ak license:

Spoiler

/*---------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Copyright © 2007 Acekard, www.acekard.com

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy
of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal
in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights
to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is
furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN
THE SOFTWARE.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------*/

it is not gpl. read this carefully.
I think you all here including Another World and Rydian do a wrong thing here.

I know it's not GPL'd, whatever the authors want to do with it is their own business.

My concern is Wood and the GPL.

I am not concerned about AKAIO or R.P.G., I am not one of the people asking for their sources.