Hacking Wii u and Wii U game pad hack talk to be presented soon at CCC/30c3

[Dr Eggman]

Not necessarily, the PS4 shouldn't know any better than an actual PS Vita is connecting to it. The vita uses 802.11n in a 1+1 configuration and best results are when directly connection to the PS4 itself, bypassing your WiFi router.

I guess the issue is that since the device will need to be paired to the PS4, we won't be able to look on the unmodified PS4-internal side of things. And we can safely assume Sony doesn't use ROT-3 as they would be in trouble with Nintendo

Of course, if the Remote Play is reverse engineered, one could simply use the PS4->PC and PC->Gamepad.

 

[OncleJulien]

Please please stop bickering and discourage delroth from continuing to work on this.

you're giving us far too much credit for being able to influence his work, in either direction.

i will, however, be reading all his future posts with a great deal more liaison than before...

 

[Lostsam]

I don't care about Wii U backup loaders because I already can buy the games I want, but does this thing means we'll be able to stream stuff from the Pc to the gamepad in short time?

Like(I know this sounds ridiculous) streaming Pcsx2 to the gamepad since it's just running on the Pc, provided we have a good enough connection?

 

[BIFFTAZ]

I don't care about Wii U backup loaders because I already can buy the games I want, but does this thing means we'll be able to stream stuff from the Pc to the gamepad in short time?

Like(I know this sounds ridiculous) streaming Pcsx2 to the gamepad since it's just running on the Pc, provided we have a good enough connection?

Yup. If this happens, In time, Most of the popular PC emulators will be playable through the Wii U game pad

 

[Celice]

I don't care about Wii U backup loaders because I already can buy the games I want, but does this thing means we'll be able to stream stuff from the Pc to the gamepad in short time?

Like(I know this sounds ridiculous) streaming Pcsx2 to the gamepad since it's just running on the Pc, provided we have a good enough connection?

That's essentially what the Wind Waker demo was shown at the end of the presentation. It seems like the WiiU gamepad will become a kind of remote-play for anything on your computer, so mostly you would have to deal with ensuring your hardware could run the emulator

 

[Lostsam]

That's really exciting, I wish I was intelligent as these guys and could code this stuff.

 

[Sizednochi]

It'll be really interesting to play games like AM2R and Mother 4 on a Nintendo Portable (almost) Console when both of them and that feature in particular are released. I really wouldn't like to play those games in any other way.

 

[Slartibartfast42]

I don't care about Wii U backup loaders because I already can buy the games I want, but does this thing means we'll be able to stream stuff from the Pc to the gamepad in short time?

Like(I know this sounds ridiculous) streaming Pcsx2 to the gamepad since it's just running on the Pc, provided we have a good enough connection?

I buy some games as digital, some on disc. I want them all as digital. I want a backup loader so I can make my disc games digital. It's easier to show everyone what games you have, when they are on the system, not on a shelf in the other room. Also makes the Wii U more portable. I'm sure people will want to play my disc games during this holiday, but they can't. I left them 1000 miles away. Same thing with the 3DS. When going on vacation I have to pick some games and then stuck with those choices. I can't bring them all.

 

[Lostsam]

I buy some games as digital, some on disc. I want them all as digital. I want a backup loader so I can make my disc games digital. It's easier to show everyone what games you have, when they are on the system, not on a shelf in the other room. Also makes the Wii U more portable. I'm sure people will want to play my disc games during this holiday, but they can't. I left them 1000 miles away. Same thing with the 3DS. When going on vacation I have to pick some games and then stuck with those choices. I can't bring them all.

Oh sure it's just that everyone thinks of piracy when talking about ISO loaders, and it's not on-topic with the gamepad stuff.
I'm sure those will come with time though, I may be ignorant but I can't believe out of thousands of people working on this stuff only a single group could "find" the exploit to hack the console, someone else will come.

 

[OncleJulien]

...but I can't believe out of thousands of people working on this stuff only a single group could "find" the exploit to hack the console...

if your premise was correct, i'd totally agree, but the thousands working is really thousands complaining or clamoring for the end result of just a few people's already completed work. i think, realistically, that there's likely a handful of people attempting to do what f0f has done, and since we've never heard of them, we'll probably never hear from them.

my two cents.

 

[osirisjem]

They showed you can stream games playing on the Dolphin emulator on the PC to the GamePad.

Cool.

 

[officialjunk]

recordings are up for all the talks at 30c3: http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2013/

 

[JohnnyBlaze1986]

recordings are up for all the talks at 30c3: http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2013/

and the YouTube link is here:

 

[Naked_Snake]

hopefully people can stop whining about No SKYRIM on Wii U now

 

[AkiraCast]

hopefully people can stop whining about No SKYRIM on Wii U now

People can now stop complaining that Wii U has no third party games lol

 

[Taleweaver]

A very interesting video. Though it has to be stressed that most of the things are still in alpha stage (and on linux), it's pretty clear that there is quite a bit of work done.

*applauds*


I do have a few questions, though. Probably not the most important ones, but I can't help being curious...
* it was briefly mentioned that audio and input weren't so hard. Does that include the touchscreen input? (I'm assuming it is, considering the first demo, but the video unfortunately didn't show the pc screen so I'm not sure if that was supposed to move the mouse cursor on the pc).
* also...the wind waker demo didn't feature any sound. Was that intentional or could it have been enabled?
* the crashes due to the video sync issues...is that in both directions?
(if I understood the demo correct, it was certainly the case when sending gamepad camera footage to the pc. But I'm not sure if streaming pc content to the gamepad - the wind waker demo - is the same issue)

 

[Kamek64]

I tried drc-sim from their bitbucket, I installed the required modules, but when I run it it throws this error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "D:\Benutzer\Yannik\Downloads\memahaxx-drc-sim-7392698efa29\memahaxx-drc-sim-7392698efa29\drc-sim.py", line 15, in <module>
    joystick = pygame.joystick.Joystick(0)
error: Invalid joystick device number

I think that's because the gamepad is not connected to the pc, how can I connect it to the pc as joystick?

edit:
Nevermind, I think you don't use the Gamepad as joystick but you use a joystick as the Wii U gamepad.

 

[JohnnyBlaze1986]

How much do you all want to bet that when and IF Nintendo starts making the GamePad separately, that will sell more than the Wii U console itself lol

 

[SirByte]

IF Nintendo starts making the GamePad separately, that will sell more than the Wii U console itself lol

IF they will do it, AND you can use two GamePads per WiiU, the metric of units sold does not lend itself to make any conclusions. That being said, Nintendo shouldn't so you'd have to buy a WiiU to get one. This will increase their sales numbers and "installed base" which makes them look good! Win-Win!

 

[delroth]

Read carefully. Nobody questioned delroth's work. Many want to see a video showing unsigned code running on retail unit. They help delroth with Wii U binaries/files but not for Maxternal. That is very indicative of a lack of interest in an sdk (aside from genuine one).

Just noticed I forgot to reply to that. The main difference is that we got a lot of stuff working *before* getting f0f's help. I think by the point we got access to all the private Wii U hacking stuff, we already had dumped the GamePad flash, reverse engineered all the Wi-Fi stuff, and had audio and input streaming working. It also took us only a week or so to get to that point. Compare that to Maxternal and friends building on f0f discoveries and taking months to implement a (fairly trivial) race attack.