Why is the US terrorizing Venezuela?

[Tarmfot]

Y'know, 9/11 was always just an excuse to occupy Afghanistan and take Iraq's oil. But at least in that instance, they got to blame it on something. At least al-Qaeda was actually committing terrorism against the U.S. Here, there's nothing. Nothing. It's just "fuck you, war is good for business".

Everybody understood Afganistan.
2on Iraq war was a direct lie.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Orange man has had five years to prove the haters wrong, and all he's done is destroy the economy twice so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'd say 10 years since he threw his hat into the ring in 2015.

 

[Xzi]

I'd say 10 years since he threw his hat into the ring in 2015.

He's "only" been in office for five years, but it definitely feels more like ten. Second term he's speedran us back to the COVID economy in just one year.

 

[CMDreamer]

The answer is obvious if you do some research on U.S. behaviour against countries that have resources U.S. wants to steal.

They will lie stating massive destruction weapons, a self inflicted "terrorism attack", "democracy", suspected terrorism, and more recently drug cartels.

And after all their lies, UN is a mere useless observer.

 

[titan_tim]

Finland, Denmark, Iceland and Sweden did not have a revolution and while the citizens are subjected to ridiculously high taxes, the government does not own the means of production. Private companies still operate there. And the definition of socialsm isn't that "nobody owns anything" its that the governmet owns everything. Also greed isn't, nor has it ever been a factor. All systems should assume the following - there is a substancial portion of the general population that do not operate on morality and will do exactly as much as the system allows them to get away with. And wellfare is the first thing they will exploit.

You didn't answer my point, you just changed the argument so you wouldn't have to deal with the reality that Finland, Denmark, Iceland, and Sweden are real countries with real outcomes, and not theory.

As someone already mentioned, your definition of Socialism is wrong. Socialism does not mean “the government owns everything.” It means social ownership of the means of production, which includes public ownership, worker ownership, cooperatives, and regulated markets. That’s from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, not just opinion.

To bring up the fact they didn't have a revolution is evidence against your position. Socialism doesn't require revolution, that's a Marxist-Leninist subset. The Nordic countries put in strong socialist policies democratically, and they work.

Complaining about high taxes without looking at what they get in return is dishonest or you just really don't know (Universal healthcare, free education, childcare, great unemployment insurance, pensions). In general, the people there are happier, healthier, have more economic security, and more disposable income. That's just fact.

You said that welfare is “the first thing exploited”, which is flat-out wrong. Welfare fraud is miniscule. Corporate tax evasion, wage theft, and subsidies cost everyone insanely more money. Wage theft alone is more than ALL other forms of theft combined (US department of labor). Only difference is, capitalism rewards the greed whereas socialism policies exist to limit how much damage that greed can do.

Even when I said that the US was at its peak and had a strong middle class, that was due to their strong unions and regulations were enforced. So basically capitalism being restrained by socialist policies. They've been removing those policies, and now look where we are.

 

[erikas]

You didn't answer my point, you just changed the argument so you wouldn't have to deal with the reality that Finland, Denmark, Iceland, and Sweden are real countries with real outcomes, and not theory.

As someone already mentioned, your definition of Socialism is wrong. Socialism does not mean “the government owns everything.” It means social ownership of the means of production, which includes public ownership, worker ownership, cooperatives, and regulated markets. That’s from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, not just opinion.

To bring up the fact they didn't have a revolution is evidence against your position. Socialism doesn't require revolution, that's a Marxist-Leninist subset. The Nordic countries put in strong socialist policies democratically, and they work.

Complaining about high taxes without looking at what they get in return is dishonest or you just really don't know (Universal healthcare, free education, childcare, great unemployment insurance, pensions). In general, the people there are happier, healthier, have more economic security, and more disposable income. That's just fact.

You said that welfare is “the first thing exploited”, which is flat-out wrong. Welfare fraud is miniscule. Corporate tax evasion, wage theft, and subsidies cost everyone insanely more money. Wage theft alone is more than ALL other forms of theft combined (US department of labor). Only difference is, capitalism rewards the greed whereas socialism policies exist to limit how much damage that greed can do.

Even when I said that the US was at its peak and had a strong middle class, that was due to their strong unions and regulations were enforced. So basically capitalism being restrained by socialist policies. They've been removing those policies, and now look where we are.

 

[SeltzerMist]

John Frank Stossel (born March 6, 1947) is an American libertarian

Oh just a right winger with a nuanced opinion on the age of consent we can dismiss this video entirely.

 

[titan_tim]

So instead of using your own brain to find actual facts and make your own opinions, you rely on a far right opinion piece in youtube format. Glad to see that laziness hasn't taken over us all. Still didn't answer my original question in any way.

 

[SeltzerMist]

So instead of using your own brain to find actual facts and make your own opinions, you rely on a far right opinion piece in youtube format. Glad to see that laziness hasn't taken over us all. Still didn't answer my original question in any way.

I mean it's from the crowd of "Google it" so that's on track.

 

[titan_tim]

I mean it's from the crowd of "Google it" so that's on track.

It's just.... sad. Sad to see people so brainwashed into thinking that their system is the best and the other system is evil incarnate.

All while never realizing that the US has been getting worse and worse for decades because the rich have been slowly breaking down the systems protecting workers. Multiple banks and studies are showing that a large percentage of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. That isn't healthy.

 

[erikas]

It's just.... sad. Sad to see people so brainwashed into thinking that their system is the best and the other system is evil incarnate.

All while never realizing that the US has been getting worse and worse for decades because the rich have been slowly breaking down the systems protecting workers. Multiple banks and studies are showing that a large percentage of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. That isn't healthy.

I know damn well its been getting worse. And while theres a plethora of causes, socialism is not a solution to anything.

 

[gamefan5]

GBATemp never ceases to amaze me, I swear.

The second someone says "Socialism" there's always this person (95% of the time, american) that gets triggered.

 

[Deleted member 535703]

@Reualed - Well, Drug, Human, Weapons Trafficking....I dont care. Wont shed a Tear for them. Now if it is proved beyond the shadow of a doubt they were "Fisherman" and absolutely completely Innocent, then fine, OK, we got a problem. But Criminals always make themselves out to be "The Victim", "Completely Innocent of anything", looking to use Laws against anyone, no matter what.
So until I hear/read differently, I could care less about them. Criminals are NOT more important than Everyday, Law Abiding Citizens. Love how it seems that Criminals are made out to be the "Victims", while those Defending themselves are the "Criminals".

Why does every Trumper type like this. Random capitalized words, random quotations, it really displays a lack of knowledge of English grammar conventions. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[titan_tim]

I know damn well its been getting worse. And while theres a plethora of causes, socialism is not a solution to anything.

Poorly regulated capitalism is the overall cause of things getting worse. The people at the top have been chipping away at workers rights, workers salaries, deregulating anything to do with finances, taking huge risks on short-term profits, union busting, and pushing for working all hours of the day. It's the eventual end-goal of capitalism. The rich are still getting richer, and the rest of the people? Screw e'm! Elon now worth over 600 billion. Trump making 1.5 billion in less than a year. That isn't normal.

You know what would make things look less bleak in the US? A strong safety net. Too bad they've been chipping away at that too.

 

[urherenow]

I bet the only time he's spent on Navy ships was as a child or a visitor.

You'd lose that bet.

Friendly reminder that the Geneva Conventions covers all people. Stateless individuals, which include those ships not flying a flag, are still individuals in war.

Talking out of your ass again. Read up on UNCLOS Articles 92, 94, 110, and customary maritime law.

Or maybe use some of that AI that a few of you love so much, which will tell you:

"ships not flying a flag (stateless vessels) are generally not covered by the protections of the Geneva Conventions because they lack a nationality, meaning they fall outside the jurisdiction of a specific State and are treated similarly to pirates, having no sovereign protection and potentially no war crime protections, though basic human dignity rules still apply. International law, particularly UNCLOS, requires ships to have a single nationality and flag to ensure a "genuine link" and effective State control, which statelessness undermines. "

Another friendly reminder that according to every source available, all of these boats are alleged drug carriers, and no evidence has been found to support the fact that they are. Please, by all means, prove me wrong. I'm waiting.

No proof? Do you think all of the white square bags were for fishing? Do you want to be able to rip these bags open and sample them yourself? You don't have the clearance to know the methods used to track this stuff.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/15/trump-strike-venezuela-drug-cartel-vessel

Or better yet, Trump declassified the strike video that photo was taken from:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115210075167747572

 

[emigre]

GBATemp never ceases to amaze me, I swear.

The second someone says "Socialism" there's always this person (95% of the time, american) that gets triggered.

Americans as a whole do not grasp the varieties among the left and jump to socialism and communism. Not that surprising considering there's never been a mainstream left wing party is the US,

 

[lordofcombo]

I hate trump with passion but his killing of alleged drug dealer is justified.people have enough with half measures with drug dealers.i visited the USA in 2019 and i was saddened to see people my age sleeping on the roads of America,that land that once was the dream country turning into a shithole with people on the roads living like animals,it really breaks the heart to see young girls living out of prostitution,18 years old.If pete hegseth or whatever his name need to kill every venezuelan in a boat speeding towards the usa coasts so be it.They should know better not adventure themselves in those waters.As for the idiot simpleton in the forum talking about reasonable doubts,i say bark louder.Countries with capital punishments for drugs has way less drugs,way way less.so fuck off.I hope trump get convicted for epstein case but i want him to take as many drug dealer with him in the process.war on drugs is not fought with simpletons in this forum.im sure alot of you guys here never had family OD or killed because of this cursed product.These animals dont understand logic,fear and death is their only langage.if youve seen what they do to poor mexicains civilians to terrorize the government or intimidate rivals,you will wish death on all of them,be it the small crack dealer or the big kingpin alike.Best video ive seen this year was Saudi Arabia decapitating,yes head sliced clean of the biggest merchant in middle east.it was an old video but since then,it has been quiet on that front.

 

[titan_tim]

I hate trump with passion but his killing of alleged drug dealer is justified.people have enough with half measures with drug dealers.i visited the USA in 2019 and i was saddened to see people my age sleeping on the roads of America,that land that once was the dream country turning into a shithole with people on the roads living like animals,it really breaks the heart to see young girls living out of prostitution,18 years old.If pete hegseth or whatever his name need to kill every venezuelan in a boat speeding towards the usa coasts so be it.They should know better not adventure themselves in those waters.As for the idiot simpleton in the forum talking about reasonable doubts,i say bark louder.Countries with capital punishments for drugs has way less drugs,way way less.so fuck off.I hope trump get convicted for epstein case but i want him to take as many drug dealer with him in the process.war on drugs is not fought with simpletons in this forum.im sure alot of you guys here never had family OD or killed because of this cursed product.These animals dont understand logic,fear and death is their only langage.if youve seen what they do to poor mexicains civilians to terrorize the government or intimidate rivals,you will wish death on all of them,be it the small crack dealer or the big kingpin alike.Best video ive seen this year was Saudi Arabia decapitating,yes head sliced clean of the biggest merchant in middle east.it was an old video but since then,it has been quiet on that front.

I'm already on record saying if they were truly drug traffickers, I don't care if they died. But you and I aren't the government, and they're bound by strict rules. Allowing the obliteration of people they claim to be drug smugglers opens the doors to multiple other type of killings by the government without oversight. There has never been an issue with identifying boats and then seizing them. This is all to terrorize the country, nothing more.

So far they're up to around 29 bombings of boats. Are you positive they're all drug boats? Because as we all know, at one point, there were survivors that were taken and they were let go. Do you let drug smugglers go? No, that's an automatic red flag that they bombed innocent people.

The boats were also not "speeding towards the usa". There's no way those small boats could make that trip. Not nearly enough fuel in those little things.

 

[Vixi]

I hate trump with passion, but his killing of alleged drug dealer is justified. People have enough with half measures with drug dealers.

I visited the USA in 2019 and I was saddened to see people my age sleeping on the roads of America. That land that once was the dream country turning into a shithole with people on the roads living like animals. It really breaks the heart to see young girls living out of prostitution, 18 years old.

If pete hegseth or whatever his name need to kill every venezuelan in a boat speeding towards the usa coasts, so be it. They should know better not adventure themselves in those waters.

As for the idiot simpleton in the forum talking about reasonable doubts, I say bark louder. Countries with capital punishments for drugs have way less drugs, way way less. So fuck off.
I hope trump gets convicted for epstein case, but I want him to take as many drug dealers with him in the process.

War on drugs is not fought with simpletons in this forum. I'm sure alot of you guys here never had family OD or killed because of this cursed product. These animals dont understand logic, fear and death is their only langage. If you've seen what they do to poor mexicain civilians to terrorize the government or intimidate rivals, you will wish death on all of them. Be it the small crack dealer or the big kingpin alike.

Best video ive seen this year was Saudi Arabia decapitating, yes head sliced clean of the biggest merchant in middle east. It was an old video, but since then, it has been quiet on that front.

Improved legiblity for you, feel free to edit your post with my formatting.

I feel the same way about most of your points and I'm sure many people do. The problem is whether or not these boats were drug traffickers. If they're just killing people at random, then how are they any less dangerous?

If we normalize a lack of evidence and transparency in our justification of killing people, how will we ensure this is not abused?

 

[SeltzerMist]

Imagine posting anything from truth social and expecting to be taken seriously as a human being