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What do you think is more harmful to the world? Racists, or religious fanatics?
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I particularly like the Sikh faith, and I strongly recommend anyone who doesn't know anything about them to look into their culture. It's very difficult to describe, but I have never met a Sikh who was not a humble and decent person.
I do not know nearly enough about their faith or their philosophy, but I have seen its fruit. If you know the fruit, you know the tree, and I find no fault in the Sikh religion.
I do not know nearly enough about their faith or their philosophy, but I have seen its fruit. If you know the fruit, you know the tree, and I find no fault in the Sikh religion.
This was my first experience with the Sikh faith.
Granted... YouTube. Popular channel. Made for Likes. But this shit is real, and corroborated by multiple other examples of Sikh people showing generosity, humility of spirit and a willingness to serve and to sacrifice without personal gain or benefit.
As I said, I don't know enough to be anything more than not completely ignorant. But here is what they have done and do, and it's a hell of a lot more than I have ever given.
I have never believed in any deity. I DO believe in a collective consciousness, and I think the Sikh faith is more aligned with that ideology than most theistic faiths. They do believe in a form of a Supreme Being, but not with the burdens of the Abrahamic faiths.
We are all one, connected by the same energy, and connected to the same God, according to the Gurus of Sikh faith. We are striving to elevate to a higher level of consciousness through awareness, humility and a desire to be a servant of our fellow man, and to alleviate their suffering.
No threats of hell or promises of heaven. Everyone on the same mountain, striving to reach a higher level, helping everyone below, supported by those above. It's like the best parts of Buddhism and Christianity, minus all the bullshit. I kind of dig it. Good people.
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Belief in a deity. That's where I have to get off the train. Same with all other theistic religions.
I unequivocally and outright deny even the possibility for any god ever described in any religion that I have ever actually researched, to actually exist. There is no god, there are no gods, there have never been any gods, there will never be any gods. Period. It is all bullshit and fantasy.
I look at religion for the good parts and what I can take away from it. Bruce Lee is a personal hero of mine. He said, and I am pretty sure this will be familiar to you, "Steal from everywhere. Adapt that which is useful. Reject that which is useless. Add to it that which is uniquely your own. That is the Tao of Jeet Kune Do".
So, when I look at organized religion, I see it in the same way as I do comic books or novels. I can take the lesson without absorbing the ideology. I can separate the dross from the gold. I can entertain an idea without having to agree with it.
There is no true faith because there are no gods, but there IS something good that we can get from most religions, if we are willing to slog through all of the bullshit to find the diamond.
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I'm massively stepping outside the boundaries here, generally speaking I don't delve too much into politics, though I'm not going to lie and say I have never talked about them or have never had arguments over such matters. However I've realized that a lot of these questions, remarks, etc. tend to have flaws that I feel get overlooked easily, and at times I don't think man gives real sense of thought of such matters either. Hear me out.
Humanity is known for a lot of things, good and bad, we could sit and create a list for either side all day, but I think every human here is intelligent enough to know what's what, if you don't, I recommend you indulge and educate yourself before committing to think further than this point. Man is most interesting, we operate in very counterintuitive ways to achieve what we believe is the right way to pass the finish line, whether it be towards others or within our own lives period. There is a catch here that most of you likely just missed after reading that sentence to yourself, mentally or out loud. So much fighting, when the source of the problem has always been right in front of us this entire time. Who or what is the problem, first responses, "religion, politics, extremists, blah blah blah" but what if the answer was much simpler than that? You know every day we all live our lives the way we wish, we make our own decisions, we create our own opinions and preferences, why, because we want to. We judge one another for our differences, way of living, etc. too. We want to blame something or someone for a massive problem, why, because well we see what we deem is the problem in front of us, and we always have to point it out. However, humanity has failed for many, many, many years to realize one thing, the problem has always been with yourself, much like anyone else. You see the question isn't so much "who is worse than one another?" or "who here is in the wrong?" though sure these are valid questions, but the biggest question you should be asking is "am I wrong?" Religions, government, groups, etc. in majority of cases are indeed man made, deviations of what people believe based on their own preferences or opinions, even those who claim to not believe in something and follow up with a label for themselves have fallen into the same trap, regardless of realizing it or not. Nobody here actually actively seeks the real hardcore truth in its bluntest form, and that's for two reasons.
1. People fear what they don't understand. People have killed, destroyed, ignored, and or have hidden away potential possibilities of something that could potentially be above their current comprehension, or in the case of science, their pay grade. It's better to believe what you want to believe because that's what makes the most sense to you, even if by chance you may have the wrong idea of what the real truth actually is.
2. People do not like admitting when they are potentially wrong, regardless of who you are, we have all had at least one case of this in our lives. We prefer to blame others for being wrong when realistically we are all wrong in one way shape or form, even if someone figured out the truth, as human beings we push our own concepts towards one another, instead of being constructive with it and helping people go down the right path.
What is truth really? Well, in concept, it's something that's 100% accurate, can't be argued with, set in stone, etc. Man however doesn't operate like this as much as plenty have claimed to, you operate based on your own preferences, beliefs, etc, fabricating what you believe to be the truth, in which case, that's not really truth now is it, but more like a lie of what you think is the truth. So can we point fingers at who's wrong, who is more extreme than one another, when we as a collective, yourself included, do much of the same thing you blame the other person(s) for doing, just in a different way? The game remains the same, the only difference is the players and how each of them plays, but the end always is the same for all when you look at the bigger picture. Quite clearly how we do things isn't working in life, but we refuse to admit that and continue about blaming one side, when all sides, regardless of what you believe in, is just as wrong, why, because absolutely nobody actively seeks the real truth, understands that maybe we are all wrong in some if not all ways, and attempts to live life by the truth to the best of our ability, what a real example would do.
It's so much easier and fun to over complicate what we already know the problem is, and never actually improving ourselves as a whole, than it is to just deal with the fact you are guilty, and just understanding that your preferences and opinions may not be a great compass to go by where the truth is concerned. It's not to say you shouldn't have them, but one must never stray away from the truth so much, otherwise we end up where we are today, as a whole. Confused, lost, sad, hurt, and feeling pointless, aimless, no sense of direction. We made a huge mistake, when will we stop blaming and start admitting we were wrong, and cleaning our own mess up, starting with yourself? Nobody is perfect, that's not expected, but if we are equally capable of messing up this hard, then we clearly are capable of doing the right thing for ourselves and for others.
The real truth is everyone is wrong, some just aren't as critically damaging as others.
Humanity is known for a lot of things, good and bad, we could sit and create a list for either side all day, but I think every human here is intelligent enough to know what's what, if you don't, I recommend you indulge and educate yourself before committing to think further than this point. Man is most interesting, we operate in very counterintuitive ways to achieve what we believe is the right way to pass the finish line, whether it be towards others or within our own lives period. There is a catch here that most of you likely just missed after reading that sentence to yourself, mentally or out loud. So much fighting, when the source of the problem has always been right in front of us this entire time. Who or what is the problem, first responses, "religion, politics, extremists, blah blah blah" but what if the answer was much simpler than that? You know every day we all live our lives the way we wish, we make our own decisions, we create our own opinions and preferences, why, because we want to. We judge one another for our differences, way of living, etc. too. We want to blame something or someone for a massive problem, why, because well we see what we deem is the problem in front of us, and we always have to point it out. However, humanity has failed for many, many, many years to realize one thing, the problem has always been with yourself, much like anyone else. You see the question isn't so much "who is worse than one another?" or "who here is in the wrong?" though sure these are valid questions, but the biggest question you should be asking is "am I wrong?" Religions, government, groups, etc. in majority of cases are indeed man made, deviations of what people believe based on their own preferences or opinions, even those who claim to not believe in something and follow up with a label for themselves have fallen into the same trap, regardless of realizing it or not. Nobody here actually actively seeks the real hardcore truth in its bluntest form, and that's for two reasons.
1. People fear what they don't understand. People have killed, destroyed, ignored, and or have hidden away potential possibilities of something that could potentially be above their current comprehension, or in the case of science, their pay grade. It's better to believe what you want to believe because that's what makes the most sense to you, even if by chance you may have the wrong idea of what the real truth actually is.
2. People do not like admitting when they are potentially wrong, regardless of who you are, we have all had at least one case of this in our lives. We prefer to blame others for being wrong when realistically we are all wrong in one way shape or form, even if someone figured out the truth, as human beings we push our own concepts towards one another, instead of being constructive with it and helping people go down the right path.
What is truth really? Well, in concept, it's something that's 100% accurate, can't be argued with, set in stone, etc. Man however doesn't operate like this as much as plenty have claimed to, you operate based on your own preferences, beliefs, etc, fabricating what you believe to be the truth, in which case, that's not really truth now is it, but more like a lie of what you think is the truth. So can we point fingers at who's wrong, who is more extreme than one another, when we as a collective, yourself included, do much of the same thing you blame the other person(s) for doing, just in a different way? The game remains the same, the only difference is the players and how each of them plays, but the end always is the same for all when you look at the bigger picture. Quite clearly how we do things isn't working in life, but we refuse to admit that and continue about blaming one side, when all sides, regardless of what you believe in, is just as wrong, why, because absolutely nobody actively seeks the real truth, understands that maybe we are all wrong in some if not all ways, and attempts to live life by the truth to the best of our ability, what a real example would do.
It's so much easier and fun to over complicate what we already know the problem is, and never actually improving ourselves as a whole, than it is to just deal with the fact you are guilty, and just understanding that your preferences and opinions may not be a great compass to go by where the truth is concerned. It's not to say you shouldn't have them, but one must never stray away from the truth so much, otherwise we end up where we are today, as a whole. Confused, lost, sad, hurt, and feeling pointless, aimless, no sense of direction. We made a huge mistake, when will we stop blaming and start admitting we were wrong, and cleaning our own mess up, starting with yourself? Nobody is perfect, that's not expected, but if we are equally capable of messing up this hard, then we clearly are capable of doing the right thing for ourselves and for others.
The real truth is everyone is wrong, some just aren't as critically damaging as others.
I'm mostly there. I'll never say 100% that there has never been a being that created everything either directly or indirectly.
But I'll gladly say with 100% certainty that any religion that we have made on earth is purely fantasy.
Now if there were a creator of the universe (Or just of earth's creatures), that doesn't mean we are bound to worship that entity. In each of our bodies, we host billions of microbes and bacteria. We wouldn't expect them to worship us, as that would be insane.
That being said, this is veering off from the original topic of the thread.
People love hating on Christianity and Catholicism, it has its bad apples and it's rotten apples, but do does everything else.
The Catholic Church has a lot of flaws, sure, but it is also one of the biggest charities in the world.
I usually avoid posting on these threads and wasn't really going to, at first, given that the title mentions "religious fanatics".
It's pretty illogical that the first religion you'd bring about is Christianity. Does it have it's fair share of fanatics? Sure, there's crazy people everywhere.
Nowadays people seem to choose to ignore the Islamic fanatics. When it comes to fanatics, they are factually the most dangerous based on the impact of the damages they cause.
Religion itself is not evil, people are.
As for racism, the most racist countries in the world are Asian and African.
The Catholic Church has a lot of flaws, sure, but it is also one of the biggest charities in the world.
I usually avoid posting on these threads and wasn't really going to, at first, given that the title mentions "religious fanatics".
It's pretty illogical that the first religion you'd bring about is Christianity. Does it have it's fair share of fanatics? Sure, there's crazy people everywhere.
Nowadays people seem to choose to ignore the Islamic fanatics. When it comes to fanatics, they are factually the most dangerous based on the impact of the damages they cause.
Religion itself is not evil, people are.
As for racism, the most racist countries in the world are Asian and African.
Religious fanatics, in my mind there's no question.
People who feel they have a divine right cannot be stopped in anything they do. They will find justification in anything because they feel that their cause is above humanity itself. A single person with the right (or rather, wrong) level of charisma can convince groups of people to kill, rape, destroy, abandon society itself because they feel that they are wholly justified on a spiritual level.
People who feel they have a divine right cannot be stopped in anything they do. They will find justification in anything because they feel that their cause is above humanity itself. A single person with the right (or rather, wrong) level of charisma can convince groups of people to kill, rape, destroy, abandon society itself because they feel that they are wholly justified on a spiritual level.
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You're joking, right?
Neither.. The greatest evil are the big corporates who will do everything in their power to financially enslave us. They are the masters of the universe.
They will make races and religions fight each other. Make us desire garbage
Calling each other extremists. When in reality 95% of humans problems are shared.
Rupert Murdoch, The Banks, Disney, Big N, Apple, BMW.....
They will make races and religions fight each other. Make us desire garbage
Calling each other extremists. When in reality 95% of humans problems are shared.
Rupert Murdoch, The Banks, Disney, Big N, Apple, BMW.....
Both are incredibly harmful. Plus, people who are religious fanatics also tend to be racist, along with a number of other hateful beliefs. Racist people tend to also go hand-in-hand with religious fanaticism in some form.
I see almost no difference. I have never met a religious fanatic that wasn't prejudice. Most of them believe they are superior and everyone else is blasphemous. They hate your faith, your race, your freedom and your happiness. It truly pains them to see any group they disagree with doing well. They elect people not based on what that person will do for the people but for what that person will do to the people they don't like. Golden rule my ass. Once you decide your way is the only way then you are doomed. It bleeds in to everything. Even without religion it's there. Sports, social status, whatever. Hell I get ostracized regularly here because i like to use SXOS to load off a USB drive. Same bullshit. Be like me! Be like me! Racists are the same. It's all cult bullshit. Who cares what your religion,color,bank account,favorite team,car,zip code, friends list looks like. It's just schoolyard monkey moron bullshit. Live and let live. I personally can't stand most devout religious people. All religions say the same thing. Be nice and the world will be a better place. Then men insert a bunch of bullshit to baffle and control the masses. I wish we evolved enough to just be human. I think Ghandi said it best. "I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians for they are nothing like your Christ"
At least racists are less hypocritical. They know they're assholes. Zealots miss that point completely.
At least racists are less hypocritical. They know they're assholes. Zealots miss that point completely.
People don't need religion to hate people. In fact, people don't even need a reason to hate people.
I remember Pfizer receiving one of the largest fines in US history for fudging data in studies and paying doctors to push their drugs. Then we were told we couldn't question their products while governments around the world were paying them billions for said product. But I'm told on here that I simp or corporations. We live in clown world.
I think I make good topics.
I'm grateful for everyone who participates in the debate. Just wanted to mention that.
Life is all about minor victories.
I'm grateful for everyone who participates in the debate. Just wanted to mention that.
Life is all about minor victories.
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