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US Government to shut down in less than an hour, would be first single-party shutdown ever

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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/19/16911148/government-shutdown-unified-control

This is all essentially a result of the "shithole countries" thing, as at the time Trump said he was willing to sign any bipartisan funding bill brought to him. So Trump undermined his own party and went back on his word because he specifically dislikes DACA, and now here we are. Do you think they'll avoid this last second? Or is the shutdown inevitable?

Roughly 80% of Americans support DACA, according to a number of polls.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-back-daca-huge-margin-poll/story?id=50032985
 
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Well, I don’t think he dislikes DACA, I think it’s that he wants to accomplish a long term deal to brag about later. It’s ironic though that he spoke at that anti-abortion march or whatever it was, talking about how all kids deserve a chance. Then torpedoes any effort to keep kids healthcare in the interest of ego and pride. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s how I see it.
 

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it's not uncommon at all, and as far as "80% of americans" that's a bull**** poll, because that's not true. The system for immigration is bad and it needs to be reworked. I don't care if they call it daydream dreamers daca or Caca. what they need to do is fix it and stop being stupid about it
 

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it's not uncommon at all, and as far as "80% of americans" that's a bull**** poll, because that's not true. The system for immigration is bad and it needs to be reworked. I don't care if they call it daydream dreamers daca or Caca. what they need to do is fix it and stop being stupid about it
The bipartisan bill that was brought before Trump included both money for border security and for DACA. "Fix it" doesn't mean "deport 'em all and forget about it."

And the actual number is 86% support. I was being conservative so as to try not to offend anybody's delicate political sensibilities. Look up 20 polls if you like, they'll all be in that range.
 
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ this doesn't seem like that big of a deal? like, unless there's massive riots or something i cant see this being a suuuuper big deal, its not martial law or anything. but what do i know? im just a leaf.
 

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hanst the gov't shatut down beffor? itsa not inclcommon right?
Did you have a stroke while writing that? And it's pretty common yea. Hasn't ever happened before when a single party has all 3 though.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ this doesn't seem like that big of a deal? like, unless there's massive riots or something i cant see this being a suuuuper big deal, its not martial law or anything. but what do i know? im just a leaf.
It's a huge deal actually. If you work for a federal agency. Or need certain federal agency's assistance. And it causes a dip in the stock market too iirc.

The longer the shutdown lasts the bigger an issue it'll become.

It shut down before, and fuck all happened.
The world is bigger than your basement. There's definitely consequences to this. As there has been before.
 
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ this doesn't seem like that big of a deal? like, unless there's massive riots or something i cant see this being a suuuuper big deal, its not martial law or anything. but what do i know? im just a leaf.
It hurts some parts of the population more than others, but mostly it's just a massive failure of leadership when you control all three branches of government and still can't keep it functioning. The Republican in-fighting is hilarious, but it's also likely to become damaging.
 

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it's not uncommon at all, and as far as "80% of americans" that's a bull**** poll, because that's not true. The system for immigration is bad and it needs to be reworked. I don't care if they call it daydream dreamers daca or Caca. what they need to do is fix it and stop being stupid about it
Wanna give us an in-depth explanation on why you think our immigration system is so bad?
 

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Yeah polls are so objective and unburdened by the agenda/bias of those who frame them.

Did you hear? Hillary's got a 96% chance of winning!
Eh, just because the odds are in your favor doesn't mean you'll win. Plus, she did win the popular vote by, what, 2 million votes?
 

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Eh, just because the odds are in your favor doesn't mean you'll win. Plus, she did win the popular vote by, what, 2 million votes?

Irrelevant. But we all know that.

Thing is, depending on the conditions of a poll, a person may be taken as supporting something even if that support were conceded conditionally. For example, I'd support amnesty and a path to citizenship for DACA people if it came along with funding for a secured border and universal voter ID. Does that mean I support DACA? Maybe.

But...But Trump has proof that it was voter fraud... Proof he refuses to release. x.x

Doesn't matter. Popular vote tallies are irrelevant in the Presidential election. Trump won by the rules. You'll need a Constitutional amendment to change them.
 
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Yeah polls are so objective and unburdened by the agenda/bias of those who frame them.

Did you hear? Hillary's got a 96% chance of winning!
Most polls at election time gave Trump around a 33% chance of winning, which is significant.

I also said to look up the polls for yourself so I can't frame them for you. Regardless of whether the source is right or left leaning, the numbers are gonna end up about the same as long as the poll was conducted scientifically.

Government shutdown deadline has passed, though Senators are still on the floor hashing things out.
 
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