US Government to shut down in less than an hour, would be first single-party shutdown ever

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  1. the_randomizer

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    I tend to avoid cable news, it's too biased in one way or another.
     
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    Same here
     
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    The main point of the speech imo was that congress needs to do their jobs even if it puts people on the spot or consumes more of their time. Before he made it, he was asking for Amendment debate. His point was that they just laid down a 700 page bill, and no one wanted to talk about what’s in it before voting on it.

    As far as taxes, I don’t believe individuals should have to pay more than 25% of their income. Business taxing is a different story. The more national resources a business uses, the more taxes they should pay.
     
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    What no foxs news? :rofl2:
     
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    Thats not what happened at all, they were meeting during the week for a separate bipartisan immigration reform bill which would included daca, then the shithole thing happened and the whole thing fell apart (insert liberal media fake outrage here)
    Then on the day they were going to approve a continuing resolution bill (more kick the can down the road because congress can't do anything) which would have passed with 60 votes, senator schumer wanted to add amnesty for daca recipients into the CR bill, which had 0 chance of passing the house or the congress, there was nothing even on the floor or in the bill about daca to even vote on, trump met with schumer on friday, schumer said he offered 25B or so for wall funding for daca amnesty, but the president never said anything about it, it was just grandstanding and the government shutdown over it.
    It should be noted that they don't just want wall funding, they also want to end the visa lottery and chain migration, it was always going to be a separate bill not shoehorned in at the last second into a complety different bill thinking you will sneak one by.
     
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    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/21/government-shutdown-immigration-graham-miller-354747

    There's an article on trump switching on his position due to his aides, particularly Steven Miller. Just saying, that could have prevented a shutdown altogether.

    Also, I haven't found any source on Schumer trying to shoehorn in anything (just to be clear, I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just asking you for a source).

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    I understand that, and he's right that people need to do their job. I'm just saying that he shouldn't call himself a deficit hawk if he's not willing to raise taxes. If you cut both spending and taxes, you're usually not helping the debt at all, you should be raising taxes AND cutting spending. If he's only doing the second part, he's not a deficit hawk.

    Also, I don't believe that taxes should be more than 25% either, but that's not a valid reason to pass a tax cut under a $20,000,000,000,000 debt. Unless the economy is straight up in danger, the debt needs to go.
     
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    and like the travel ban it will just go to the SCOTUS and declared legal by judges to actual rule on the law and not feeling or trying to make a political statement, it was put in by executive order than it can be removed by executive order
     
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    Executive orders are regulated by the Supreme Court, we have a system of checks and balances
     
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    Seems likely at this point, hopefully by then it'll have been turned into law by Congress.

    My opinion:
    I'm not a fan of illegal immigration, but it's not the DACA recipients' fault that they were brought into the US illegally. Plus, it's not like they're gonna get full citizenship status, being under DACA just gives you a piece of paper saying "Congrats, next time we see you we won't try to drag you against your will to a country you don't know". It also begins to seem like a good policy when you realize Republican leaders like Paul Ryan told trump not to repeal it.
    Honestly, if we get DACA as a full law because of Trump's actions, I'll count this as a positive for his administration even though he'll have largely not done much.
     
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    Even though I agree with your overall stance in this case, I pray to God that that isn't the way you judge most pieces of legislation
     
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    I certainly don't, I was just quoting his stance to say that DACA isn't something only Dems want. It's bipartisan and it's got plenty of support from both sides of the aisle. I was just referring to Paul Ryan to represent the Republicsn side.

    I disagree with most of his policies tho
     
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    The court ruling doesn't deny that the president has the authority to repeal DACA, only that the Trump administration has not provided sufficient reasoning for DACA's repeal.
     
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