eloberate on how I'm being a conspiracy theorist. or is it because you don't like my rhetoric, which is based in both facts and logic. Something that should be your supposed strong suit.Take off your tinfoil hat mate, nobody likes conspiracy theorists,
It's not, you are not worth more of my time you creep.my rhetoric, which is based in both facts and logic
well . every time something happen , instead of trying to find solutions , the first reflex of most people is to try to find and accuse someone or something and focus more on what or who did the bad thing or move than actually trying to find solutions and testing ideas to help with them .Please, elaborate.
then your going to make an argument, and not back it up? at best that's cowardly.It's not, you are not worth more of my time you creep.
my rhetoric, which is based in both facts and logic
How many times have I gone on at lengths to back up my arguments?
WrongThat's not how science works. It works by consensus,
Doesn't make them right.so when I said "Well accepted" that meant that the census also agreed.
It's not. The education system in the USA is designed to make complient fools.Your spouting a anti education stance. That's a trait of fascism.
Fascism was the system of Italy at the time, and preceded the fall of the Weimar system. The successors took into consideration taking Italys model, but chose to go for their own system. The two are quite distinct.How about you do the required reading before saying that sentence again after I have corrected you now 3 times with 3 different sources and evidence.
The quote you've provided doesn't even adress national socialism.IF it was again, supposedly true it was socialist, why on earth would they do capitalistic polices. The core part of socialism defanging and transitioning away from capitalism. Not doubling down, not going after unions.
This is quite an interesting sequence of rationalisations.I have been making good arguments, I've been giving you all the resources I possibly can on the subject and basing my arguments around them with utt most honestly to the subject. I cannot change YOUR mind if your unwilling to change it. I do not have to uphold to YOUR standards, which seems to be based on how you feel about the subject, and not any facts towards it.
And you choose to believe them because they agree with eachother....instead of listening to the people who's core field of study is this thing, you choosing to close your ears and say "nuh uh"
Appealing to authority is not reasoning.I cannot fix that for you, nor is it possible for me to reason with you.
So capitalist want to f you over but the education system is your friend?How am I supposed to reason with someone who's argument essentially is "Education is just kissing ass, it's all fake"
Well it might one day happen to you that you come across people who have worked in academic institutions and can tell you from experience that it is all about major a**kissing.How I'm I supposed to respond to that? There's no evidence, nothing, that would change your mind.
Demonstrate the contradiction.Which one is it Creamu?
Because you just made a statements that contradicted themselves.
Money is not power.If money is power,
Yesor a "tool" in your own words.
Fascism per definition is that the rulers present themselves as legitimate. This doesn't work if people don't accept you as such.What's stopping a Plutocratic government from going fascist.
Doesn't mean that they are not popular. Taking power by force is not exclusive to any system I am aware of (just as a sidenote)Because openly taking charge, and people not accepting them as legitimate doesn't matter. Fascist take power by force, and are more than willing to use arms to kill.
Your point being?Look at the Republican party, and their constant defense and praise of the 2nd amendment, look at the proudboys for fuck sakes, who were armed in January 6th.
For f sake, make a decision and let me know at the very top of your post.This going to be my second last response to you. Since I'm getting the strong feeling that logic and facts is no longer of importance to you.
Really?Once more for the very deluded: you backing it up with your opinion doesn't necessarily equal logic and especially not facts.
Goodbye and good luck surviving in this oh so evil world.
I asked you to prove that I was conspiracy theorist.Take off your tinfoil hat mate, nobody likes conspiracy theorists,
You gave me this in response.It's not, you are not worth more of my time you creep.
well . every time something happen , instead of trying to find solutions , the first reflex of most people is to try to find and accuse someone or something and focus more on what or who did the bad thing or move than actually trying to find solutions and testing ideas to help with them .
how many people got caught for small amount of weed , and had to pay a heavy price , for us to after way too many years , start to do something about it .
im not even gonna start a debate about all the school shooting happening and how its more talk than actions .
i see campaigns for mental health , i suffer from a couple , and honestly getting help concretely is impossible , stop talking about it and do something , we have in Canada one of our biggest company that got a day where they get money and pay for people to talk about it , but concretely they don't do much , i even worked for them .
or just going to throw money at a problems hoping itll fix itself .
lol if you knew the things going on in my mind , fascist wouldn't be close to a problem vs what i could do if it was without consequences . a human cant really be free in a "society" , we are too different and complex .Well, the governments can't just arrest people for having fascist ideas. I'm not sure I'd want to live somewhere like that.
lol if you knew the things going on in my mind , fascist wouldn't be close to a problem vs what i could do if it was without consequences . a human cant really be free in a "society" , we are too different and complex .
it'll will always end in a whole lots of segregation .
am all for letting everyone do whatever they wants , but there is no official moral code lol , id like a palce where you could go and just beat up aweful people , but again , that would be my version of aweful people . not everyone will have the same definitions , a pedo would probably wont beat a pedo , me , id like to just remove each tooth one by one with pliers with a nice kick in the face in between each teeth .
Okay you know what?Wrong
Do you not know how the scientific process works? Like... seriously? Because tl;drDoesn't make them right.
Okay ignore the 365 pages I sent you to read. I've read all your articles and bs before and combed through them. You just read my sentences and go "that's wrong"Fascism was
holy fuckThe quote you've provided doesn't even address national socialism.
Disproven by your own rhetoric by peers. buying powerMoney is not power.
I choose to believe them because they are the professionals on this field. I would trust my doctor more than I would trust a politician. I choose to trust them even more because many of them have agreed on what it is. And what they agreed upon, is science. Science isn't directly facts. It's the methodology behind finding them. With consensus happening only because it's repeatable, which means it may likely be factual.And you choose to believe them because they agree with eachother....
I've been pulling from every source I possibly can on the matter. This isn't even shit taught in schools. These people aren't brought up in k-12. I had to look and find and learn these things on my own. This isn't a gotcha as you'd hope. because this specific part, this specific "what makes up fascism" wasn't taught in schools.So capitalist want to f you over but the education system is your friend?
Fascist doesn't care if they are legitimate or not. They care about power.Fascism per definition is that the rulers present themselves as legitimate. This doesn't work if people don't accept you as such.
"Well it might come one day that a black person beats me up. And then they're all assholes right?"Well it might one day happen to you that you come across people
Marxist historians see the appeal of fascism as a capitalist structure. As socialism begun to represent a very real threat towards capitalism, many turned towards the rising fascist movements in defence of property. The strength of the Marxist interpretation lies in placing the rise of fascism within the context of the social struggles of the twentieth century.
However, the ‘Weberian’ interpretation looks towards a reactionary element within the pre-industrial ruling class; as an anti-modern movement, fascism attracted the traditionalists, nationalists and landowning elite in a last ditch defence against modern ideologies of democracy and liberalism.
The difficulty in ascribing to any one interpretation lies in the nature of the ideology itself; Fascism was in nearly every respect a reactionary solution to a perceived weakness of the state, be it economic, social, cultural or political. It is argued that modernization led to a cultural and religious vacuum within societies, resulting in a cultural despair and anomie; the essence of fascism, Hannah Arendt argued, lay in its ability to play off these fears to make real an abstract ideological understanding of the world.
That's a fairly accurate assessment.It definitely helps to understand the cultural and economic situation of Germany and Italy at the end of the 19th Century. Both were deeply nationalistic, and both had been largely oppressed, by Prussia and Austria-Hungary respectively.I think of fascism as a social disease, a reaction to fears of a cultural or systematic revolution, linked to fears of personal death or oblivion. It's obviously sustained in a racist or xenophobic view of the world that exists within its supporters, in which there's a war between races or peoples. To answer the fear of change, fascist leaders may arrive and claim: look at all this they want to do to us / they have done to us, we need to stand together against our common enemy. In the case of Germany, I haven't read about it, but I can't shake the feeling that it is also a late reaction to the kultur kampf, beyond the acknowledged reaction to communism and to foreign economic oppression.
the closed thing is mein kampf. but that's still an extreme stretch. Since it's basically just hitler screaming over and over what he hates. Not a exploration of thought, not a critical look. Just angry rage.That's a fairly accurate assessment.It definitely helps to understand the cultural and economic situation of Germany and Italy at the end of the 19th Century. Both were deeply nationalistic, and both had been largely oppressed, by Prussia and Austria-Hungary respectively.
Possibly the most striking aspect of Fascism, for me anyway, is the lack of a centralised ideological foundation. There was no 'Communist Manefesto', for Fascism, and as it is so often driven by a demagogue it can be very hard to pin down what the ideological pillars actually are.
Absolutely. The difference is that Marx wrote the Communist Manefesto before Lenin then adopted, and adapted, that ideology for the Bolsheviks. Mein Kampf was written after Mussolini was already developing Fascism as a form of governingthe closed thing is mein kampf. but that's still an extreme stretch. Since it's basically just hitler screaming over and over what he hates. Not a exploration of thought, not a critical look. Just angry rage.
That might be the start of it. There are different scientific specialisations and they don't all work exactly the same, but it is not uncommon that you state your reasoning why you are exploring a certain subject matter. Often it is to continue works from others, but it can be in relation to your own work and might very well be just an anecdote.Okay you know what?
Why do you think it's wrong? Is it based in anecdotal evidence?
Depends on the field.Do you not know how the scientific process works? Like... seriously? Because tl;dr
the scientific process has built in error checking. You can't just spit out a study. it has to be repeatable
Because it isOkay ignore the 365 pages I sent you to read. I've read all your articles and bs before and combed through them. You just read my sentences and go "that's wrong"
I've read the quote in that post and it doesn't talk about national socialism. You understand that there are different words because they mean different things. Also this:Okay. so you've been essentially just ignoring me. got it. you didn't bother to read ANY of the information I sent to you.
Fascism was the system of Italy at the time, and preceded the fall of the Weimar system. The successors took into consideration taking Italys model, but chose to go for their own system. The two are quite distinct.
Control+F 'national socialism'... no nothing."Another supposed essential character of fascism is its anticapitalist,
antibourgeois animus. Early fascist movements flaunted their contempt
for bourgeois values and for those who wanted only “to earn money,
money, filthy money.”36 They attacked “international finance capitalism”
almost as loudly as they attacked socialists. They even promised to expro-
priate department-store owners in favor of patriotic artisans, and large
landowners in favor of peasants.37
Whenever fascist parties acquired power, however, they did nothing
to carry out these anticapitalist threats. By contrast, they enforced with the
utmost violence and thoroughness their threats against socialism. Street
fights over turf with young communists were among their most powerful
propaganda images.38 Once in power, fascist regimes banned strikes, dis-
solved independent labor unions, lowered wage earners’ purchasing power,
and showered money on armaments industries, to the immense satisfac-
tion of employers. Faced with these conflicts between words and actions
concerning capitalism, scholars have drawn opposite conclusions. Some,
taking the words literally, consider fascism a form of radical anticapital-
ism. 39 Others, and not only Marxists, take the diametrically opposite posi-
tion that fascists came to the aid of capitalism in trouble, and propped up
by emergency means the existing system of property distribution and
social hierarchy."
That is wrong, the national socialist parties did make travel to exotic countries possible for normal working class people, and that was a historic first. The confusion might be because the KPD (communist) was forced out by the NSDAP who won the election. The KPD was for global socialism while the NSDAP was for socialism on a national level. This doesn't rule out the use of capital/currency, as well as wages and such.This part right here. in bold. does this not counter your claim that it's national socialism
Socialism is a threat to capitalism, and capitalism is a threat to socialism. Your claim that it was national socialist, despite the fact we are talking the exact same fucking country, and the same country WENT after socialist, DID NOT DO ANY Socialist polices.
Maybe this will help you:It cannot possibly be national socialism. Because national socialism, wouldn't go after it's own peers.
That is fascism.
Fasces (English: /ˈfæsiːz/ FASS-eez; Latin: [ˈfaskeːs]; a plurale tantum, from the Latin word fascis, meaning "bundle";[1] Italian: fascio littorio) is a bound bundle of wooden rods, sometimes including an axe (occasionally two axes) with its blade emerging. The fasces is an Italian symbol that had its origin in the Etruscan civilization and was passed on to ancient Rome, where it symbolized a magistrate's power and jurisdiction. The axe originally associated with the symbol, the Labrys (Greek: λάβρυς, lábrys) the double-bitted axe, originally from Crete, is one of the oldest symbols of Greek civilization. To the Romans, it was known as a bipennis
Money can be a tool of power.buying power
That is bullshit anyways.vote with your wallet
So what?If money didn't have power, then none of these would apply. This would not be the rhetoric spoken.
And couldn't be possibly be paid by capitalists who want to F you over.I choose to believe them because they are the professionals on this field.
Your doctor is forced to say everything what comes from his authorities, deviating can ruin his financial life.I would trust my doctor more than I would trust a politician.
Well then you are easily defeated by an army of agreeing liars.I choose to trust them even more because many of them have agreed on what it is.
For science it is not important what method was applied as long as it demonstrates the truth. Consensus in institutions is dictated by those who finance it/force it.That is science. Science isn't directly facts. It's the methodology behind finding them. With consensus happening only because it's repeatable, which means it may likely be factual.
So it must be right. Bless your heart.I've been pulling from every source I possibly can on the matter. This isn't even shit taught in schools.
Ah, and the things you can find they aren't influenced by capitalists who want to f you over. Well they can't think of everything I guess, thats just over their heads.These people aren't brought up in k-12. I had to look and find and learn these things on my own. This isn't a gotcha as you'd hope.
They care about openly taking power in contrast to some other actors that care about this being obscure.Fascist doesn't care if they are legitimate or not. They care about power.
Your point being?"Well it might come one day that a black person beats me up. And then they're all assholes right?"
It works better than getting fooled by actors that care for your demise.Anecdotal evidence doesn't work.
https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
- Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
- Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
- Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
- Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
- Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
- Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
- Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
- Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
- Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
- Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
- Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
- Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
- Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
- Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.