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[Maxternal]

Hi guys!

Just chiming in and hoping to get some answers.

I was at a local sale today and got me a Wii very cheap. I already have a Wii, but hey, the low price made it totally worth it!

But the thing was. I was choosing between a black (NEW MODEL) and a white (OLD MODEL).
Due to the pressure at the sale, i made a quick decision to buy myself a white (OLD MODEL). But now I am wondering if there are any differences when it comes to hacking? Should I´ve been taking the black (NEW MODEL) instead?

They're possibly the same thing but if you're really lucky and it's a REALLY old model you might have some hacking improvements.
Here's some of the advantages in the order they were eliminated from models as they got newer (IIRC): Actually, I think I got the order all wrong but the last one IS the last one for sure and Boot2 was cut before DVD-R
- BootMii as Boot2 (great brick protection)
- Downgradable (DON'T do this anyhow ... but just in case you do something stupid, older ones are more compatible with older IOS versions.)
- DVD-R compatibility
- GameCube controller / memory card support.
(I actually can't remember off hand if the downgradability thing or the DVD-R compatibility was dropped first but it doesn't really matter that much.)
When they started making black ones was when they dropped the DVD-R compatibility, I think. (Any colored ones fall into this category ... and I think any white one that includes the Motion Plus accessory or the WiiMote+ controll, too) ... EDIT : Oh, and also, the WiiMote+ has problems with some older homebrew.

So, basically, white is more likely to be old enough to be better for hacking. (Older is better in any form, anyway.)

 

[siliconmessiah]

Thanks for the answers. Well. It wasn´t the oldest model.
It was the one with a Motion Plus controller and Wii Sports Resort.
I guess it was better to take that one over the black new model then, as this one apparently has GameCube-ports. =) Always something!

 

[~Murda Me~]

Hi I'm having trouble loading the thomas and friends hero of the rails pal for my son and Fitness Ultimatum 2010 - Jillian Michaels game for my wife and was hoping to get some help here. I just registered, but have been viewing this forum for awhile now which is what helped me to mod my wii in the first place so I know everyone here tries to help as much as possible and i greatly appreciate it in advance. I looked at the compatability grid on this site and tried the 002 fix for the jillian michaels game without luck and did not see anything here or anywhere else on the web for thomas the train. Below are my specs I just wanted to know if I need to be running a different ios or what..., my mmm says's it's running 236 and i have configurable usb loader 7.0 rev 48 and sorry this was the first time i used the syscheck i did update what it told me to but i did not know exactly what to post up and not so here it is...


thanks again for the help




sysCheck v2.1.0b18 by Double_A and R2-D2199
...runs on IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: NTSC-U
System Menu 4.1U (v449)
Priiloader installed
Drive date: 2010.12.07
Homebrew Channel 1.1.0 running on IOS61
Hollywood v0x21
Boot2 v5
Found 49 IOS on this console. 4 of them are stub.

IOS3 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): No Patches
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
IOS11 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS12 (rev 526): No Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS16 (rev 54321): Trucha Bug ES Identify Flash Access NAND Access
IOS17 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS20 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS21 (rev 1039): No Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): No Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): No Patches
IOS30 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS31 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS36 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS37 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS40 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS41 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS50 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub
IOS52 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS53 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): No Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS70 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS80 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS202[60] (rev 65535 Info: hermesrodries-v6): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS222[38] (rev 4 Info: hermes-v4.0): Trucha Bug ES Identify NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS223[38+37] (rev 4 Info: hermes-v4): Trucha Bug ES Identify NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS224[57] (rev 65535 Info: hermesrodries-v6): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS236 (rev 54321): Trucha Bug ES Identify NAND Access
IOS249[56] (rev 21008 Info: d2x-v8final): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 21008 Info: d2x-v8final): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
BC v6
MIOS v10

 

[ddetkowski]

Have you run modmii at all?
It can update anything your missing, just have a 2GB SD card handy to transfer the files from PC to SD.
Modmii is a pc app btw.....

 

[~Murda Me~]

Hi I'm having trouble loading the thomas and friends hero of the rails pal for my son and Fitness Ultimatum 2010 - Jillian Michaels game for my wife and was hoping to get some help here. I just registered, but have been viewing this forum for awhile now which is what helped me to mod my wii in the first place so I know everyone here tries to help as much as possible and i greatly appreciate it in advance. I looked at the compatability grid on this site and tried the 002 fix for the jillian michaels game without luck and did not see anything here or anywhere else on the web for thomas the train. Below are my specs I just wanted to know if I need to be running a different ios or what..., my mmm says's it's running 236 and i have configurable usb loader 7.0 rev 48 and sorry this was the first time i used the syscheck i did update what it told me to but i did not know exactly what to post up and not so here it is...


thanks again for the help




sysCheck v2.1.0b18 by Double_A and R2-D2199
...runs on IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: NTSC-U
System Menu 4.1U (v449)
Priiloader installed
Drive date: 2010.12.07
Homebrew Channel 1.1.0 running on IOS61
Hollywood v0x21
Boot2 v5
Found 49 IOS on this console. 4 of them are stub.

IOS3 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): No Patches
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
IOS11 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS12 (rev 526): No Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS16 (rev 54321): Trucha Bug ES Identify Flash Access NAND Access
IOS17 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS20 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS21 (rev 1039): No Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): No Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): No Patches
IOS30 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS31 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS36 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS37 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS40 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS41 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS50 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub
IOS52 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS53 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): No Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS70 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS80 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug NAND Access
IOS202[60] (rev 65535 Info: hermesrodries-v6): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS222[38] (rev 4 Info: hermes-v4.0): Trucha Bug ES Identify NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS223[38+37] (rev 4 Info: hermes-v4): Trucha Bug ES Identify NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS224[57] (rev 65535 Info: hermesrodries-v6): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS236 (rev 54321): Trucha Bug ES Identify NAND Access
IOS249[56] (rev 21008 Info: d2x-v8final): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 21008 Info: d2x-v8final): Trucha Bug NAND Access USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
BC v6
MIOS v10

Have you run modmii at all?
It can update anything your missing, just have a 2GB SD card handy to transfer the files from PC to SD.
Modmii is a pc app btw.....

yes modmii had me update a few things after that all was ok but still the games do not work

 

[Deis]

So I have USB Loader GX and DIOS MIOS working fine together. However, I would like to have my Wii boot straight into USB Loader GX. So I installed the Forwarder with Priiloader, but no Gamecube games will run from the booted USB Loader. If I go into the Homebrew Channel and start up USB Loader GX the games work fine. Now I am using r1201 and the forwarder is still from the Official v3 release. I thought that this didn't matter in the case of forwarders though. Isn't a forwarder just a shortcut to the program? Please correct me if I am wrong and I could use some help on getting this all sorted out. How can I go about booting into the r1201 version of USB Loader GX?

 

[Maxternal]

So I have USB Loader GX and DIOS MIOS working fine together. However, I would like to have my Wii boot straight into USB Loader GX. So I installed the Forwarder with Priiloader, but no Gamecube games will run from the booted USB Loader. If I go into the Homebrew Channel and start up USB Loader GX the games work fine. Now I am using r1201 and the forwarder is still from the Official v3 release. I thought that this didn't matter in the case of forwarders though. Isn't a forwarder just a shortcut to the program? Please correct me if I am wrong and I could use some help on getting this all sorted out. How can I go about booting into the r1201 version of USB Loader GX?

Are you sure you installed the actual forwarder DOL and not the boot.dol for the game?
(I'm not even sure if that's possible but if it is, I'd say try being sure you're installing the v5.1 forwarder or just install the boot.dol for r1202 directly to PriiLoader. It's worth a shot.)

Sorry if I'm wrong. It was just the first thing that came to mind.

 

[Deis]

So I have USB Loader GX and DIOS MIOS working fine together. However, I would like to have my Wii boot straight into USB Loader GX. So I installed the Forwarder with Priiloader, but no Gamecube games will run from the booted USB Loader. If I go into the Homebrew Channel and start up USB Loader GX the games work fine. Now I am using r1201 and the forwarder is still from the Official v3 release. I thought that this didn't matter in the case of forwarders though. Isn't a forwarder just a shortcut to the program? Please correct me if I am wrong and I could use some help on getting this all sorted out. How can I go about booting into the r1201 version of USB Loader GX?

Are you sure you installed the actual forwarder DOL and not the boot.dol for the game?
(I'm not even sure if that's possible but if it is, I'd say try being sure you're installing the v5.1 forwarder or just install the boot.dol for r1202 directly to PriiLoader. It's worth a shot.)

Sorry if I'm wrong. It was just the first thing that came to mind.

Originally I did have the Forwarder installed but that version won't load gamecube games. The Forwarder version is the same in the official release as it is in the different beta releases so I think that may be the problem. I did try using the actually r1201 boot.dol, but it won't boot then.

 

[Maxternal]

Originally I did have the Forwarder installed but that version won't load gamecube games. The Forwarder version is the same in the official release as it is in the different beta releases so I think that may be the problem. I did try using the actually r1201 boot.dol, but it won't boot then.

Another idea, would you happen to have another version of GX stored somewhere that it might be using instead of your r1201 boot.dol? What's the name of the folder you have that in?

 

[XFlak]

I don't know much about usbloader gx specifically (stopped using it YEARS ago), but forwarder dol's cannot be launched with direct hardware access (i.e. ahbprot) via priiloader. It can be launched with ahbprot via the HBC or if it's embedded in an ahbprot enabled forwarder channel\wad.

To check if usbloader gx uses ahbprot, open it's meta.xml and look for "" or whatever it was replaced with in the latest release of the homebrew channel (I can't remember right now and can't check the changelog on hackmii website at the moment).

Assuming it is using ahbprot, u can install an ahbprot enabled forwarder channel, then create\install a dol that launches the title ID of that channel. The generic usbloader forwarder channel available on ModMii's download page 2 is ahbprot enabled and would work for you, and u can build a channel forwarder dol from ModMii's advanced downloads page to autoboot the channel (just enter in the appropriate title ID of the channel, for ModMii's usbloader channel the title ID is "IDCL"). Then install the ahbprot enabled forwarder channel, then install the channel forwarder dol to priiloader's installed file and change priiloader's autoboot settings to boot the installed file. Then when priiloader boots, it will launch the channel forwarder dol, which will launch the IDCL ahbprot enabled forwarder channel, which will launch the usbloader with direct-hardware-access\ahbprot-rights.

Hopefully this helps, but if usbloader gx doesn't use ahbprot then I'm probably just wasting my "breath".

edit: Even if usbloader gx doesn't use ahbprot, the above method should still work. You can also try just building a sd\usb forwarder dol using ModMii and install that in priiloader (basically do the same thing you already tried but using the sd\usb forwarder dol you made with ModMii instead of the "Official v3 release" forwarder)

edit2: As Maxternal suggested, you can also try installing the boot.dol for the app itself as priiloader installed file. That will work, but it won't have ahbprot and u probably won't be able to update from within the usbloader (you'll have to keep manually installing priiloader's installed file to update).


Edit3:

Ah great call.It seems I had forgotten to uninstall an old version of usbloader gx from my sd card and it must have been using that version. Thank you!

Yup, wasting my "breath" all right, lol.

 

[Deis]

Ah great call.It seems I had forgotten to uninstall an old version of usbloader gx from my sd card and it must have been using that version. Thank you!

 

[Maxternal]

Yup, wasting my "breath" all right, lol.

An interesting read, though.

 

[XFlak]

Yup, wasting my "breath" all right, lol.

An interesting read, though.

Thanks man, I'm glad you found it interesting. You're always welcome to pick my brain

 

[Cyan]

The forwarder (v5.1) already has AHBPROT flag, so if priiloader can auto-boot an installed channel, just tell it to load the channel with GameID "UNEO".
it will then forward to the boot.dol located on SD or USB.


r1202 use AHBPROT to detect the installed version of DIOS MIOS (Lite).
but r1201 should work without it as long as you are using waninkoko/d2x cIOS (not hermes v4)
I'll re-enable DM detection without ahbprot in next revisions to prevent user's config error.

 

[jesterscourt]

I am on 4.1, have it soft modded, but it looks like I am having some trouble playing USB backups of some of my games, is there a straight forward way of updating to 4.3 and updating all the necessary system files?

 

[Maxternal]

I am on 4.1, have it soft modded, but it looks like I am having some trouble playing USB backups of some of my games, is there a straight forward way of updating to 4.3 and updating all the necessary system files?

The system files you get with official updates don't actually have anything to do with what USB Loaders use to run games (barely anything anyhow) but this could be a good situation to show us a syscheck and tell us what version of which loader you're using.

 

[jesterscourt]

http://snipt.org/vSfe9

Here's sysCheck2 dump

 

[Maxternal]

http://snipt.org/vSfe9

Here's sysCheck2 dump

Okay, I'd say you're quite outdated there.
I'd say you should at least update 249 to d2x v8 base 56 and 250 to d2x v8 base 57
You can get both of those through ModMii (PC app)
while you're at it, you can even just take that same syscheck file and use it in ModMii and it will give you everything you need to update everything that you have out of date and a guide to do it with.

 

[jesterscourt]

http://snipt.org/vSfe9

Here's sysCheck2 dump

Okay, I'd say you're quite outdated there.
I'd say you should at least update 249 to d2x v8 base 56 and 250 to d2x v8 base 57
You can get both of those through ModMii (PC app)
while you're at it, you can even just take that same syscheck file and use it in ModMii and it will give you everything you need to update everything that you have out of date and a guide to do it with.

Thanks, trying that out now. Will post when finished.

 

[jesterscourt]

Thanks for the help, here's the updated SysCheck2 dump:
http://snipt.org/vSfj8

Anything else I need to do?