Hacking Nintendo Switch "Cartridge Backup/Backup Loader" Discussion

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Backup loaders do have some legitimate uses

- Those who prefer physical copies of games can benefit from the faster load times by loading a backup copy from the system memory
- Those with younger siblings can protect their physical games (this argument is less valid nowadays since retail games can be purchased from the eShop)
- If you're going traveling then cartridges is are one less thing to bring with you

And a morally debatable use
- Try a game before buying it

And most users use them for
- Piracy

My personal opinion is that because of online connectivity very few people will install homebrew on their Switch. Even among this minority not everyone will pirate. The amount of sales lost due to piracy these days is negligible. The days of rampant piracy on the Wii and DS are over.

EDIT: Not every game downloaded is a lost sale. We all have been or know that one person who downloads every single fucking game but never plays them.

EDIT 2: If I had the skills of SciresM I would not bother writing CFW. People like him are sought after in the industry and he could make a lot of money by working longer hours. The cost of half a dozen games a year is nothing compared to the money he could be making.
 
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That's how Reswitched team calls backups of your own games only for your personal use. Which means legal backups (because you are not sharing it).
Still stands that homebrew is a unauthorised modification so there can never be legal backups until said company provides the tools to do so
 

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Backup loaders do have some legitimate uses

- Those who prefer physical copies of games can benefit from the faster load times by loading a backup copy from the system memory
- Those with younger siblings can protect their physical games (this argument is less valid nowadays since retail games can be purchased from the eShop)

And a morally debatable use
- Try a game before buying it

And most users use them for
- Piracy

My personal opinion is that because of online connectivity very few people will install homebrew on their Switch. Even among this minority not everyone will pirate. The amount of sales lost due to piracy these days is negligible. The days of rampant piracy on the Wii and DS are over.
A lot of users will install homebrew (use cfw). :D

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Still stands that homebrew is a unauthorised modification so there can never be legal backups until said company provides the tools to do so
ToS is not a law.
 

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Is it still piracy if you have two consoles but only one cartridge so by using those "backup" loaders, you can play on both consoles at the same time? :confused: lol
 

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Is it still piracy if you have two consoles but only one cartridge so by using those "backup" loaders, you can play on both consoles at the same time? :confused: lol
Yes u need to buy a copy for each system unless there is a download play option if not that's flat out piracy
 
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No it isnt. Seriously Shadow. Gtfo.

If he owns BOTH Switches, and he's the only one using them, then no, it's not illegal.

This whole fucking discussion can be debated till we're all blue in the face.

Piracy is the unlawful distribution of a copyrighted work. That's it.
 
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No it isnt. Seriously Shadow. Gtfo.

If he owns BOTH Switches, and he's the only one using them, then no, it's not illegal.

This whole fucking discussion can be debated till we're all blue in the face.

Piracy is the unlawful distribution of a copyrighted work. That's it.
Yeh, Two switches for (4 player) multiplayer (i.e mario kart) with my wife and brothers, but I don't see the point of buying 2 same game just for that.

Edit: okay so maybe mario kart isn't the best example since I can already play 4 in a single console when docked and using a big screen. But on a trip somewhere else where we can't dock the switch, we couldn't play 4 players in a single switch in tabletop mode.
 
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Yeh, Two switches for (4 player) multiplayer (i.e mario kart) with my wife and brothers, but I don't see the point of buying 2 same game just for that.
I don't blame you. Download play was invented for just that reason.
 

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Yep Mike, I call it plan B! N's plan A failed so now it's time for plan B (plan Backup)! :) It is a really convenient and comfortable way to play! (and no swapping required [well if you can get all the games you play on just 1 sd]) I think even those who frown upon even this legal and no issues avenue of doing it, can still at least agree that it is rather convenient, to have all you own easily accessible like this!
 

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wow... this thread went downhill fast. backups is always a touchy subject. but other posters are right, the only thing nintendo cares about is 'rom-sharing sites', 'flashcarts', and 'counterfeit cartridges', making profit or sharing of their games, for your own in-house usage, legit backups are fine, but things like freeshop installing games you didn't buy well thats a problem, but all nintendo can do is ban your console, and not honor any warranty repairs on it.
come on Gary just give us some good news on TX
is their device going to support backup at release? when is it being released? is it still being released?
why are they so quiet with all this hoohah goin on
seems awful strange, they had better hurry unless they have something really unique
 

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come on Gary just give us some good news on TX
is their device going to support backup at release? when is it being released? is it still being released?
why are they so quiet with all this hoohah goin on
seems awful strange, they had better hurry unless they have something really unique

Having no information on the "scene" other than what trickles out, I highly doubt TX is releasing anything now.
 

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Having no information on the "scene" other than what trickles out, I highly doubt TX is releasing anything now.
but they already had prototype chips
allegedly
things are moving fast but maybe they can still salvage a few bucks out of it
 

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but they already had prototype chips
allegedly
things are moving fast but maybe they can still salvage a few bucks out of it
I'm not sure what production costs are on whatever they're offering are, but if they make too many then they run the risk of creating a loss.
 

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So yea, this is debated every time a console or handheld comes out. It's not worth the time, it's all been said before.

Yar-har fiddle-de-de, being a pirate is alright to be. Do what you want cause a pirate is free, you are a Pirate.
We've got us a key (a key!), that'll lead us to a stolen game. It's all written in vain, and used for us pirate's gain!
 
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how cool would it be that in near future we will have the same thing as a "private header" back in 3ds era ripped it of a legit card dump then inject it to public roms so we can go online without risk of banning our system
 

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