Gaming New Super Mario Bros 2: Official Hype Thread
Do people generally think that people who say "graphics don't matter" are quite literally saying that if a game had absolutely horrible graphics, they'd be fine with it? I'm a member of a few other gaming-focused forums and the main thought behind why someone would say that is because the stretch between the game they're comparing to and the game they're referencing isn't that big. I honestly thought that was something everyone knew.
So the ability of the Vita to produce better graphics automatically makes the 3DS graphics bad?
Seriously, what's wrong with you people? Did you forget to actually enjoy the games?
Yes, because PSVita show what current tecnology can handle in terms of graphics.
It shows how outdated the 3DS graphics are.
3DS graphics are similar to PSP graphics, that was released in 2004
So indeed 3DS graphics are bad for today
People, we have a contender for the laugh of the daySo the ability of the Vita to produce better graphics automatically makes the 3DS graphics bad?
Seriously, what's wrong with you people? Did you forget to actually enjoy the games?
No, but it's contraditory.
Please explain.
Downloading the files from Nintendo's CDN? What do you mean? Surely that makes the download quicker, so it would be nice if I could learn your secrets. :-)
Although I doubt this game will be very big....
People, we have a contender for the laugh of the day
Please explain.
To say the truth PSVita shows why 3DS graphics are bad.
PSVita show what current tecnology can handle in terms of graphics.
It shows how outdated the 3DS graphics are.
3DS graphics are similar to PSP graphics, that was released in 2004
So indeed 3DS graphics are bad for today
Nintendo will follow the suggested retail price, so it is US$ 39.99 I think. The suggested retail price in Brazil is R$ 149.99 so I think that will be the price (but I hope not).
Touch Battle Tank 3D for example, cost $ 4.99 on USA and R$ 8,99 in Brazil, and Brazil and USA share the same region.
Johnny Kung Fu cost R$ 9.99 in Brazil, $ 5,99 in USA, £5.40 on UK and €6 on Europe.
So it will have different prices in every country and change region will eventually bring cost reduction for many people.
People, we have a contender for the laugh of the day
Please explain.
To say the truth PSVita shows why 3DS graphics are bad.
PSVita show what current tecnology can handle in terms of graphics.
It shows how outdated the 3DS graphics are.
3DS graphics are similar to PSP graphics, that was released in 2004
So indeed 3DS graphics are bad for today
So who sets up today's standard? You? Why isn't the 3DS today's standard and the PSV is just ahead of its time (look at the Game Gear)? So once a system is released and a year later something with (inevitable) better technology comes out, the first is automatically bad and outdated? Are you so focused on specs. According to your logic the PSV would be outdated if MS would release a more powerful console
Look at RE Revelations. It looks great and it's a 3DS game
It looks better than many PSV games. And I know what I'm talking about because I own both systems 
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This already happens when they opened the Pokemon Dream World. At that time they closed the dream world for 30 days, and re-opened with a lot of restrictions (some restrictions are active until now I think)
Whoever has the most impressive handheld sets the standards, hardware wise. It's not something that someone just decides. Someone with slightly better hardware doesn't make the other "outdated", but the thing is the hardware in the 3ds is many years old. Even if technically the hardware wasn't produced all those years ago, hardware with the same specs was being made in the same fashion, thats why we say it's outdated.So who sets up today's standard? You? Why isn't the 3DS today's standard and the PSV is just ahead of its time (look at the Game Gear)? So once a system is released and a year later something with (inevitable) better technology comes out, the first is automatically bad and outdated? Are you so focused on specs. According to your logic the PSV would be outdated if MS would release a more powerful console
The PSV hardware isn't some sort of alien technology, it's technology we have had and Nintendo could have used. The reason they didn't is because first of all, the 3d implementation is bound to cost a good amount of money and that could jack up the price on the handheld, so one way out would be to lower graphics hardware costs, meaning older hardware. This older hardware, and the graphics limitations that come with it could also possibly mean that the 3d runs smoother since I'm pretty sure the game has to render it twice for the 3d or something, Correct me if I'm wrong.
tl;dr the 3ds hardware wasn't new for it's time so it wasn't JUST a year old, and the reason Nintendo is behind is because they choose 3d over modern graphics. PSV is not ahead, 3DS is behind.
I own a 3DS, not a PSV
Whoever has the most impressive handheld sets the standards, hardware wise. It's not something that someone just decides. Someone with slightly better hardware doesn't make the other "outdated", but the thing is the hardware in the 3ds is many years old. Even if technically the hardware wasn't produced all those years ago, hardware with the same specs was being made in the same fashion, thats why we say it's outdated.So who sets up today's standard? You? Why isn't the 3DS today's standard and the PSV is just ahead of its time (look at the Game Gear)? So once a system is released and a year later something with (inevitable) better technology comes out, the first is automatically bad and outdated? Are you so focused on specs. According to your logic the PSV would be outdated if MS would release a more powerful console
The PSV hardware isn't some sort of alien technology, it's technology we have had and Nintendo could have used. The reason they didn't is because first of all, the 3d implementation is bound to cost a good amount of money and that could jack up the price on the handheld, so one way out would be to lower graphics hardware costs, meaning older hardware. This older hardware, and the graphics limitations that come with it could also possibly mean that the 3d runs smoother since I'm pretty sure the game has to render it twice for the 3d or something, Correct me if I'm wrong.
tl;dr the 3ds hardware wasn't new for it's time so it wasn't JUST a year old, and the reason Nintendo is behind is because they choose 3d over modern graphics. PSV is not ahead, 3DS is behind.
I own a 3DS, not a PSV
I'm pretty sure they did it to cut costs, the technology is very affordable now, and theres bits of new tech in there here and there which is a little more costly, combined together, every game could like like RE: Revelations.
In short: It's not about how powerful the hardware is necessarily, it's about how well you use it. Revelations looks better than plenty of 360 games...
Who sets the standard is debatable. Is the TV that costs 10.000$ dollars the standard because it has the best "possible" standard?Whoever has the most impressive handheld sets the standards, hardware wise. It's not something that someone just decides. Someone with slightly better hardware doesn't make the other "outdated", but the thing is the hardware in the 3ds is many years old. Even if technically the hardware wasn't produced all those years ago, hardware with the same specs was being made in the same fashion, thats why we say it's outdated.So who sets up today's standard? You? Why isn't the 3DS today's standard and the PSV is just ahead of its time (look at the Game Gear)? So once a system is released and a year later something with (inevitable) better technology comes out, the first is automatically bad and outdated? Are you so focused on specs. According to your logic the PSV would be outdated if MS would release a more powerful console
The PSV hardware isn't some sort of alien technology, it's technology we have had and Nintendo could have used. The reason they didn't is because first of all, the 3d implementation is bound to cost a good amount of money and that could jack up the price on the handheld, so one way out would be to lower graphics hardware costs, meaning older hardware. This older hardware, and the graphics limitations that come with it could also possibly mean that the 3d runs smoother since I'm pretty sure the game has to render it twice for the 3d or something, Correct me if I'm wrong.
tl;dr the 3ds hardware wasn't new for it's time so it wasn't JUST a year old, and the reason Nintendo is behind is because they choose 3d over modern graphics. PSV is not ahead, 3DS is behind.
I own a 3DS, not a PSV
You have some good points here. But I have to repeat myself: It's not about specs or old / new hardware, it's about how the games look. Many people make it so as if the 3DS graphics are crap, but I look at games like RE:R, it looks fantastic. In fact the graphics gap between 3DS and PSV is much smaller than the one between DS and PSP, so what's the point of this whole whining? What's the point of this same debate?
The only reason the 3DS is not more powerful is cost. But the 3DS is affordable now and produces great graphics! This is what counts. I don't care if Nintendo archieved this with "old" hardware and I'm sure the millions of people who bought it don't give a mushroom either
At the end, it's all about the games, at least for me.Wasn't this the NSMB2 thread...
Edit: Do you really think the technology for colour screens wasn't there when Nintendo developed the Gameboy?
You're right, I don't care too much about the graphics hardware in the 3DS which is why I own one. The hardware isn't necessarily bad, as RE has shown (it can be pushed to look pretty good) but contrary to what spacejump believes, it's the 3DS that is behind, not the PSV that is ahead.
The problem with developers these days is that a lot of them don't push the hardware like RE. This NSMB2 game just looks like they took the NSMB engine, added a powerup or 2, filled some cookie cutter levels with coins and are going to ship it. With this new handheld they could have added to many more interesting things, expanded the game to be even longer (more levels and longer levels). Just think of all the cool things they could have done with the 3d, the circle pad, the cameras, or the combination of the d-pad and the circle pad. Nintendo has honestly disappointed me, I'm definitely not going to pick this up.
The 3DS's capabilities aren't standard because when technology improves, and somebody uses it, it raises the bar. The PSV isn't the "$10,000 TV" your talking about because it was sold for the exact same price as the 3DS was.
I myself never said the 3DS looks like crap, it looks great. But you said that the PSV is ahead of it's time and the 3DS is standard, however that is just not the case. That was the entire point of my previous post if you have forgotten
Good to know you actually read my post (I was beginning to think you didn't)The only reason the 3DS is not more powerful is cost. But the 3DS is affordable now and produces great graphics! This is what counts. I don't care if Nintendo archieved this with "old" hardware and I'm sure the millions of people who bought it don't give a mushroom either
At a small enough format with a decent price so the gameboy's price (and size) didn't go through the roof? No. That's why Nintendo didn't use it, because the Gameboy would have failed. The difference now is that they wanted 3d in their system instead of improved graphics, so they took the price hit for 3d. They could have left 3d out and came out with a DS that was more or less as powerful as the PSV, but they saw 3D as a better direction, which is debatable. PSV has beat nintendo in the graphics game and set a standard for future handhelds, there no debating that. Am I saying the 3DS has bad graphics quality? NO, I'm simply saying that it's the 3DS that is behind in graphics power, not the PSV that is ahead.
Edit: Please excuse the double post, I forgot to check before posting.
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PS3 and X360 are from 2006 and 2005,
it's normal for them to be outdated now.
PSVita and 3DS were almost simultaneous released,
there is no excuse for 3DS to be a lot inferior in graphics.
3DS was released for $250 and it's production cost is $103.
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