nds-bootstrap loader: Run commercial NDS backups from an SD Card

TheArcadeStriker · Dec 27, 2016

Elaugaufein said:
Yeah, I saw that but those aren't the only ones I've tried. I tried the one from this thread and 624cf23 from http://138.201.147.105/nds-bootstrap/ as well. Bomberman black screens on all of them.

That still seems to be the normal/dldi branch, and that means that it's not the card branch. AKA that version that you got there doesn't load retail ROMs.

Elaugaufein · Dec 27, 2016

TheArcadeStriker said:
That still seems to be the normal/dldi branch, and that means that it's not the card branch. AKA that version that you got there doesn't load retail ROMs.

624cf23 is from the card branch (specifically its this commit: https://github.com/ahezard/nds-bootstrap/commit/624cf23f0d27e74f884a9c4a6cf0e1287b003c9a which doesn't appear on the master branch)

Even if it doesn't, it doesn't explain why the dldi from this thread still doesn't work for me with a NDS that is marked as working on the compatibility list and being discussed in this thread.

TheArcadeStriker · Dec 27, 2016

Elaugaufein said:
624cf23 is from the card branch (specifically its this commit: https://github.com/ahezard/nds-bootstrap/commit/624cf23f0d27e74f884a9c4a6cf0e1287b003c9a which doesn't appear on the master branch)

Even if it doesn't, it doesn't explain why the dldi from this thread still doesn't work for me with a NDS that is marked as working on the compatibility list and being discussed in this thread.

I STILL doubt it does work with retail ROMs either, since it's called "bootstrap-dldi.nds", and the one that DOES work with retail ROMs is "bootstrap-card.nds".

Bottom of the line, IDK if it does compile something from the card branch, but the files still are the ones that are compatible with homebrew, not with commercial games.

Elaugaufein · Dec 27, 2016

TheArcadeStriker said:
I STILL doubt it does work with retail ROMs either, since it's called "bootstrap-dldi.nds", and the one that DOES work with retail ROMs is "bootstrap-card.nds".

Bottom of the line, IDK if it does compile something from the card branch, but the files still are the ones that are compatible with homebrew, not with commercial games.

Ahah! That might explain my problem with the one from this thread then, I thought card meant card as in flash card. The file in the zip in this thread is bootstrap-dldi.nds as well and I didn't rename it before I tried to use it with TWL Loader.

ETA - Heh. I just deleted both DLDI files and I still get the exact same error. Yes, it would appear something is very definitely not working here. I'll nuke and reinstall later when there's more stability and I can better ascertain if its something to do with my specific setup.

Svaethier · Dec 27, 2016

TheArcadeStriker said:
I STILL doubt it does work with retail ROMs either, since it's called "bootstrap-dldi.nds", and the one that DOES work with retail ROMs is "bootstrap-card.nds".

Bottom of the line, IDK if it does compile something from the card branch, but the files still are the ones that are compatible with homebrew, not with commercial games.

The bootstrap has always been the thing that launched nds ROMs though, never had to change the bootstrap-card.nds. the newest dldi commit probably broke the ROMs is all therefore doesn't work with nds ROMs.

raphamotta · Dec 27, 2016

TheArcadeStriker said:
That is because those bootstrap files are for the dldi-normal version, A.K.A. the version compatible with homebrew, but NOT compatible with retail ROMs.

No.. it's the card build

TheArcadeStriker · Dec 27, 2016

Svaethier said:
The bootstrap has always been the thing that launched nds ROMs though, never had to change the bootstrap-card.nds. the newest dldi commit probably broke the ROMs is all therefore doesn't work with nds ROMs.

It's that the bootstrap-card.nds its the one that loads the RETAIL ROMS. The dldi one only loads homebrew and demos.

Svaethier · Dec 27, 2016

TheArcadeStriker said:
It's that the bootstrap-card.nds its the one that loads the RETAIL ROMS. The dldi one only loads homebrew and demos.

Then explain why the file from the OP is a dldi file that works with retail ROMs?

wg93589 · Dec 27, 2016

So far, I've tried to run MKDS, SM64DS, NSMB and all of them never loaded

metroid maniac · Dec 27, 2016

TheArcadeStriker said:
It's that the bootstrap-card.nds its the one that loads the RETAIL ROMS. The dldi one only loads homebrew and demos.

Most builds of the card branch are actually called bootstrap-dldi.nds, even though they have no DLDI support.

ahezard · Dec 27, 2016

metroid maniac said:
Most builds of the card branch are actually called bootstrap-dldi.nds, even though they have no DLDI support.

Yes the file produced by a build is currently called bootstrap-dldi.nds regardless if they are builded from the card branch or not and regardless if they support retail rom or dldi, robz8 renamed it to bootstrap-card.nds to allow to have 2 of them into twloader. Use only the released version from this thread or the ones embedded in twloader and stop to use the latest commits, they are most often broken or slow or the compatibility is worse, we are working. When we will have some real improvment there will be another release.

Svaethier · Dec 27, 2016

ahezard said:
Yes the file produced by a build is currently called bootstrap-dldi.nds regardless if they are builded from the card branch or not and regardless if they support retail rom or dldi, robz8 renamed it to bootstrap-card.nds to allow to have 2 of them into twloader. Use only the released version from this thread or the ones embedded in twloader and stop to use the latest commits, they are most often broken or slow or the compatibility is worse, we are working. When we will have some real improvment there will be another release.

Unofficial from twloader didn't even work neither did official :|

Flame · Dec 27, 2016

Svaethier said:
Unofficial from twloader didn't even work neither did official :|

just wait.

its still alpha at best. give some time people. this is a mammoth project.

~~rom~~ Rome wasn't built in a day

TheArcadeStriker · Dec 27, 2016

wg93589 said:
So far, I've tried to run MKDS, SM64DS, NSMB and all of them never loaded

Try two things, one after another:
1. Use the official release instead of the unofficial commit links you see around here.
2. Mario Kart DS DOES work, but requires having a cartridge inserted that its of the same save type chip of MKDS (MKDS, AC:WW, YGWC2008, etc), and WAAAAIIITING, since you must wait for it to load (And even then, after it loads the title screen, after getting through the menus you must wait ANOTHER while for the race to start). The other 2 games are reported that currently don't work though.

EDIT: Removed erroneous extra quote in post.

TheArcadeStriker · Dec 27, 2016

If this seems like tl;dr to you, just read the end of the post.

Working games without cartridge inserted:
Bomberman [USA]
Bust-A-Move [USA]
Custom Robo Arena (Slow video playback, loading times might be long) [USA]
GoldenEye Rogue Agent
Megaman ZX (Slow video playback) [USA]
Megaman ZX Advent (Slow video playback and voice dialogue slowdown) [USA]
Nanostray (Loading times might be long) [USA]
Power Play Pool
Space Invaders DS
Yoshi Touch and Go [USA, EUR]
WarioWare Touched (Can have loading times for microgames) [USA, EUR]
Zoo Keeper [USA]

Working games that need to have a compatible cartridge inserted:
Big Brain Academy (Minor sound issues) [USA]
Mario Kart DS (Loading times might be long) [USA]
Tetris DS (Top screen in menus is white) [USA]
Worms Open Warfare [USA]
Zaidan Houji Nihon Kanji [JAP]

Games that work but have issues:
Electroplankton (Serious graphical glitches) [USA, JAP]
Phoenix Wright AA/JFA (Slowdown) [USA]
Picross DS (Can only play until the tutorial, needs compatible cartridge inserted) [USA]

Games that boot but are unplayable:
Elf Bowling 1 and 2 (Only the menu works) [USA]
Fullmetal Alchemist Dual Sympathy (Error without cart inserted, shows logos then freezes with cart inserted)
Game & Watch Collection ("Save data is corrupted" error, having a cart inserted wasn't tested yet) [USA]
Game & Watch Collection 2 ("Save data is corrupted" error, having a cart inserted wasn't tested yet) [USA]
Kirby Squeak Squad (Error without cart inserteed, white screen with cart inserted) [USA]
Nanostray 2 ("Communication Error" screen) [USA]
PictoChat ("Communication error. The Nintendo DS will now shut down.")
Pokémon Ranger (Hangs and makes weird noises when it gets to the "Touch the lower screen!" display)

Currently:
Total booting games: 28
Total working games: 20
Total playable games: 17 (You can count the first 2 games with issues if you want too)
Total playable games without a cart inserted: 12

Bedel · Dec 27, 2016

TheArcadeStriker said:
If this seems like tl;dr to you, just read the end of the post.

Working games without cartridge inserted:
Bomberman [USA]
Bust-A-Move [USA]
Custom Robo Arena (Slow video playback, loading times might be long) [USA]
GoldenEye Rogue Agent
Megaman ZX (Slow video playback) [USA]
Megaman ZX Advent (Slow video playback and voice dialogue slowdown) [USA]
Nanostray (Loading times might be long) [USA]
Power Play Pool
Space Invaders DS
Yoshi Touch and Go [USA, EUR]
WarioWare Touched (Can have loading times for microgames) [USA, EUR]
Zoo Keeper [USA]

Working games that need to have a compatible cartridge inserted:
Big Brain Academy (Minor sound issues) [USA]
Mario Kart DS (Loading times might be long) [USA]
Tetris DS (Top screen in menus is white) [USA]
Worms Open Warfare [USA]
Zaidan Houji Nihon Kanji [JAP]

Games that work but have issues:
Electroplankton (Serious graphical glitches) [USA, JAP]
Phoenix Wright AA/JFA (Slowdown) [USA]
Picross DS (Can only play until the tutorial, needs compatible cartridge inserted) [USA]

Games that boot but are unplayable:
Elf Bowling 1 and 2 (Only the menu works) [USA]
Fullmetal Alchemist Dual Sympathy (Error without cart inserted, shows logos then freezes with cart inserted)
Game & Watch Collection ("Save data is corrupted" error, having a cart inserted wasn't tested yet) [USA]
Game & Watch Collection 2 ("Save data is corrupted" error, having a cart inserted wasn't tested yet) [USA]
Kirby Squeak Squad (Error without cart inserteed, white screen with cart inserted) [USA]
Nanostray 2 ("Communication Error" screen) [USA]
PictoChat ("Communication error. The Nintendo DS will now shut down.")
Pokémon Ranger (Hangs and makes weird noises when it gets to the "Touch the lower screen!" display)

Currently:
Total booting games: 28
Total working games: 20
Total playable games: 17 (You can count the first 2 games with issues if you want too)
Total playable games without a cart inserted: 12

Some of us where able to run other games such as Professor Layton 1 in pre alpha comits. I don't think this is just as true as it shoul. Also, afaik, there is one pre alpha bould that works better than the first oficial release.

TheArcadeStriker · Dec 27, 2016

Bedel said:
Some of us where able to run other games such as Professor Layton 1 in pre alpha comits. I don't think this is just as true as it shoul. Also, afaik, there is one pre alpha bould that works better than the first oficial release.

Well, if you can, you should try to see if Professor Layton does work in the first official release, since I based that list there in the compat list of the nds-bootstrap https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M7MxYQzVhb4604esdvo57a7crSvbGzFIdotLW0bm0Co/edit#gid=0

I guess there may be some few games that also work too, but they aren't added in the compat list yet.

Dracari · Dec 27, 2016

@TheArcadeStriker we have a Update!
Github Commit: 0880a18
Game Changed: Elf Bowling 1&2
Status Changed: Working Game1 now loads and so does Game 2.

i'll make room on my card and start testing previous Whitescreening games.

pikatsu · Dec 27, 2016

Can you upload the build?

Dracari · Dec 27, 2016

Here ya go @pikatsu

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