Let's figure out something that only streaming games could do

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  1. The Real Jdbye

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    One thing worth noting is that a lot more game data and in some cases all of it could be loaded into RAM (as many clients on one server playing the same game could share that RAM, or at least the parts that are not dynamic), virtually eliminating loading times. That certainly would be a nice feature, but not a must have.

    As mentioned, it would allow games to store and use huge amounts of data such as life-size maps.

    Combine those two and you could potentially have an online game or MMO when the server and clients are in the same datacenter - this would allow for much larger amounts of data to be transferred between them much faster, which hypothetically could allow for the sort of online game that would just not be possible through normal means. For example, you could have every player loaded into memory and updated in realtime, something the server has to do anyway, it could simply pass that info along to the client without worrying about bandwidth and the client would in addition to that load in all the graphical data the server doesn't use. You could have a giant map with thousands of players' locations displayed in realtime, and the entire map (including all player/entity locations) could be loaded into memory shared between the clients, meaning there would never be any load screens or lag when moving between different sections of the map. this could for example be used in entirely new kinds of PVP games. That's just one possibility though, who knows what people could come up with.

    In the end though it feels like it's going to end up like the Wii U gamepad or the DS/3DS dual screens. In theory it provides more possibilities but in practice hardly anything ends up using it in a way that is beneficial to the player. Sure having your inventory or map visible at all times is convenient but is it really any better than hitting a button to view them? The fraction of a second it saves you is too little to make a difference.
     
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    Things that need to be done:

    - Not charge old games full price
    - Make bandwidth caps illegal
    - Allow for games to be included in service fee
    - Allow local downloading of games to HDD/SSD
    - Not locking mobile gaming to one specific device on launch
    - Not claiming to have "negative" input lag

    Once conditions are met, then will I ever consider it.
     
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  3. raxadian

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    By the calculations done by some people in Ars Technica, streaming Google Stadia games is more expensive that watching Netflix shows 24 hours a day. And also consumes way more bandwidth.

    It also doesn't help Internet in many parts of the USA sucks.
     
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  4. Viri

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    But they already won, they have "gender neutral controllers"!
     
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    Nanomachines, son.
     
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    You mean controllers that can't be repaired or fixed in any way. Wow, how innovative.
     
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    LIKE THAT'S GONNA STOP ANYONE.
     
  8. CORE

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    Why cant they be repaired?

    @Viri What is so Gender Neutral about a Controller?

    The Dreamcast / 360 / Wii/GameBoy and many other Consoles are Gender Neutral if ur referring to Colour?

    I have to say I like GameCube and the Purple Look it looked so unique at the time and my actual size promo cardboard box with VHS inside.
     
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    Cheap parts, etc

     
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    Cant Repair it then Free Replacement they can F**king Afford it!

    Ridiculous a F**king Dremel!

    Even Cleaning is necessary sometimes due to sweat build up or worse sticky hands buttons get stuck.

    It is this proprietary only we can repair it Bastardry why I dont use Apple Google just another F**kwit.

    Again my Appliance I Bought it I Own It.
     
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    I feel the same with games, I downloaded it, I bought it physically, I can do whatever the hell I want. Stadia can die in a dumpster fire.
     
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    the early 5G service will still provided through fiber connections, here in small town where i live (5000people) i can reach 100mb/s, and speed could go up to 300 in big cities, and will covered ur home through 5Ghz wifi which is commonly around in thw wild for years.
    I knew 5G is not 5Ghz wifi but hey, let's make ONE STEP PER TIME!

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    i think it's just murican crap, here in EU we don't have data cap. i almost felt sorry for u...
     
  13. James_

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    Being streaming games? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Nothing to see here other than my dumbass brain being stupid
     
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    I disagree with the initial premise. A "best game"/killer app is something that would only sway hardcore gamers - the type that would moan over +50ms of latency (3 frames worth). If you look at mobile gaming, the killer app is the games are cheap and accessible, not that Fruit Ninja or Angry Birds are only possible on phone hardware. So in a similar way if Stadia (or another game streaming service) is to succeed they need to convince people that the convenience is there. The merits of not installing games and being able to play on weaker hardware is probably going to be enough for most people if the price is right and the tech works well enough.
     
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    I mean, I can get unlimited, but I shouldn't have to pay extra. My other points still stand, lag, not being able to keep games, no support for more than one Android device on launch. Google Stadia is shit.
     
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    We are not looking for the failures of Google's efforts, such things are evident and are discussed extensively elsewhere and can be dismissed trivially for this (though I am not sure what the local downloading thing is in this -- someone could run a mixed service if they wanted to). We are looking for what the best case tech for a game streaming service can do, mainly by virtue of allowing many many players at once, being somewhat hacker proof, not having to roll out updates to consumers but instead possibly in real time, and by having more processing power than most other things going plus all the other stuff I mentioned in the opening post.


    If the servers were located in your city (or better) then latency would be far less of a concern (you can get LAN speeds/pings at a fairly decent distance, and probably dodge dropped packets so much), however that requires localised infrastructure investment. I would similarly say the niche hardcore are not necessarily the main audience -- everybody likes tetris and farmville really (granted I preferred the latter when it was called Sim City 2000 but semantics) and you could do something with that kind of appeal, but at the same time only really able to be accomplished with what is essentially a supercomputer with no internal latency and all the other stuff mentioned above with regards to abilities to keep secrets and monitor play. Such a thing from where I sit could be as monumental as 3d cards and online play.
    Weak hardware playing the latest and greatest is certainly a nice perk if they can get it working but that is boring to consider (or at least the base case is entirely entertained within the non bracketed part of this).
     
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    I think perhaps bringing experiences rather than “games” could be the next big thing, or killer thing for these sorts of platforms.

    Something like a “VR” (and or non VR) Westworld, something almost indistinguishable from the real world (thanks to huge data banks streaming it to you) that you can join in on at any point, assume a role and explore anything and everything.

    Also; I have been saying for ages that zombies have been done to death, through this and the last generation of gaming, so something decently dinosaur themed wouldn’t go amiss.... KeK.
     
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    They should've made it a complete back catalogue of all platforms, nothing current.
     
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    There is nothing that streaming adds to this. Yes, you can use multiple powerful PCs for fast training of a neural network, but the result is just an array of weights that can be used just nearly as well in a single GPU downloaded by a player. Assuming someone is going to put enough work into a games' AI to even necessitate running it in a GPU, which is far from where we are.

    You can probably improve player count a little, but cache coherence will quickly limit the idea.
     
  20. The Real Jdbye

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    The data would only need to be updated once per tick by the backend and the clients would simply read from it. I believe cache coherence should not be an issue in that case right?
     
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