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  1. Sicklyboy

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    Dude I don't know what your problem is or why you're so obsessed with what news outlets I regard as trustworthy. All I said is that I don't think anyone had recently quoted CNN and you pulled bullshit out of thin air. What the hell are you going on about?

    Agreed that accusations should be investigated - a stance that I hold across the board for all kinds of legal proceedings. However, at what point does this become a "boy who cried wolf" situation? We've got endless accusations of "widespread voter fraud" with no substantial evidence (read: facts, things that have been proven to have actually happened), nothing evidence-wise officially submitted to courts, no arrests records, nothing. What we do have is 41 lawsuits, all but one of which have been thrown out, and the one that succeeded didn't even have anything to do with votes being fraudulent. When does it become ridiculous? 400 lawsuits? 4000 lawsuits? 400000000000000000000? Do we just keep hearing lawsuits about this until the heat death of the universe?

    That's not an answer I have, obviously, nor do I think it's really one that you or I could even have any meaningful input on anyway. But you've got to agree that at some point, enough has to be enough, doesn't it?

    Sure, but if that was the case, we'd also never know - or at least there's a chance we'd never know at a point where it's going to impact much of anything. Why is the overarching attitude from the right that THIS election, for some reason, has to be proven to have NOT been fraudulent, where it's pretty well accepted that every other election in this nation's history hasn't been fraudulent, rather than the burden of proof being on them being to prove that it WAS fraudulent, as it goes with everything else. This goes back to my point, and that of MANY others, that there has been no evidence found of widespread voter fraud, and the DOJ and Attorney General concluded the same.

    You'll have to forgive me for not slogging through this entire... thing, but here's a few examples I found of why this is unreliable at best. ctrl+f the claims.

    Claim: [email protected]
    Source: https://hereistheevidence.com/I requested an absentee ballot and mailed it-The Dept of state said they have no record of my request for a ballot.I voted for Trump and do believe my ballot was thrown out.In 2016-three times when I voted for Trump ,the machine would switch to Democrat and I had to get the supervisor to correct it.Two of my friends said they had same problem with the voting machines.When I called Luzerne to tell the problem, they said they never had a problem which I knew was not true

    Claim: Donald Trump has a tiny cock
    Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...trump-salacious-detail-and-claims-of-cheating

    Claim: Voting machines are susceptible to occasional random bit flips due
    Source: https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/attack-of-the-cosmic-rays-v2

    Claim: President of Ghana
    Source: https://www.bitchute.com/video/RaYsgpGVGblY

    Claim: Biden under performed Hillary in every city but 6
    Source: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...yes-i-think-this-election-was-stolen-n2579970

    Claim: Biden did NOT underperform Hillary in all but 6 cities
    Source: https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...nly-improve-in-four-major-swing-state-cities/

    Building off of the above, that's kind of the crux of it, isn't it? Does the lack of any information on who's running it make it an illegitimate enterprise? No, it's pretty clearly a website that's doing its self-prescribed job of collecting user-submitted info. Does it make it worthy of instantaneous dismissal? I'll give a reluctant "no" to that too. But you've got people who don't know how to properly fill out two text fields on a submission form, things that are obvious troll, things that are wholly unrelated, and blatantly conflicting information. You don't know who's submitting these things, you don't know who's running the website, you don't know who's determining the "admissibility", you don't know who's calculating the "significance", you don't seem to have anyone doing anything to prevent obviously bunk info from getting submitted. For a party who's so concerned over the fact that there wasn't enough transparency or accountability in this election, it's quite a stark contrast to see the total opacity and anonymity that this website is fronting. If I'm not supposed to trust something that objectively had more transparency and accountability (the election) then why should I put any faith in something (the website) that has none of that? I'd say how this website as a whole has as much credibility as 4chan, but that's what got us these dumbasses who believe in Qanon.

    "hereistheevidence" - No, here's a list of random bullshit, find something that fits your narrative.

    Edit - I knew I forgot something. With regards to: "I couldn't find the purposefully fake entry another user tried to add as a test, not even among the 1000 unverified claims which are clearly separated from the others"

    I don't even know that anything on here IS being verified, least not by the owner(s) of this website. And if it is, then again... who?
     
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    There is a problem with your appeal to authority. I have already explained that. It is likely that their word is unreliable.
     
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    Because the endless circular argument that been a theme in this thread.

    There is no evidence > Evidence > "I don't trust that source" > Okay who is a reliable source > ............... > There is no evidence.


    But making sure no matter what is presented you still have an excuse to shit post is the real priority.
     
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    This post makes no sense at all and has no relation to what I was talking about. There's zero relevance at all here. Again, all I said was that nobody had cited CNN as a source recently but that I was open to being proven wrong, which you still haven't done. That's it. I don't know what your problem is but please, you need help, please see a professional.
     
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    Then run it down for me. Because from what I saw in your own words, and it's there, Lum just quoted it so you can't say "I didn't say that":

    -All branches of the government are supporting corruption

    -Because of this you feel that the election was a fraud

    -Because of that you feel like the vote doesn't matter.

    So what is wrong here exactly, please do let me know.
     
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    I imagine it doesn't when you just roll in to shit post without any idea what had transpired previously.

    From now on I am just going to call you Donny.
    [​IMG]
     
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    I still don't understand what you're going on about. Honestly, I don't think you know what you're going on about at this point either. I legit kind of feel bad for you, dude.
     
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    You dont understand - here is what those people are filled with. :)





    "The smoking gun is something we dont understand, but what could It be - you decide."

    "The amounts of votes that could have been fraudulently added was 18k, which is exactly how many voted Trump lost by - do you see the connection?"

    "We cant have a recount, because that would just mean, that the fraudulent votes will be counted again" (so what do you want?)

    Can you prove, that those were fraudulent votes? No. Can you qualify 'who blond lady' was who sent everybody home? No. Can you show graphs of how 18k votes only for Biden entered that states vote reporting at that time? No. So all you have is a videotape, where you see 'someone' does 'something'. And you tell your audience that it is of high importance that they also watch the source clip because - OMG, the KRAKEN!

    One question, do you also do journalism in your free time, or is all of your time invested in spreading partisan internet rumors?
     
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    That's what an audit is for.
     
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    All branches of government are apart of a corrupt government. Phrasing it as if they were autonomous is disingenuous.

    Wrong. Because of this, there is no compelling reason to believe them.

    I don't think our votes matter because I don't believe that there is a free and fair election. I can't even entertain trust.

    On a side note, I think there was widespread voter fraud. I think the case will be long and drawn out, eventually with him being right. Maybe with him leaving the WH anyway. We'll see.
     
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    Hey - correct. :) Which means, you are out for a repeat election in that district.

    Now do the same with different accusations in enough districts to topple three other states, where the difference in votes is not 18k, but several 100k.

    And make it sound like its all a very distinct conspiracy - dont you see?

    To start with. If you are 'journalism' find out who the lady was. FInd out why they had authority to 'send those people home' find out, why they complied. Try to interview the lady.

    Try to find vote reporting figures that show, that in that timeframe you added 18k Trump votes (which should be extremely unlikely).

    Try to find evidence, that those were actually votes.

    Dont pronounce 'smoking gun' when you dont know anything. Telling viewers, you decide what this is 'for yourself', but it is very important that you watch video. The future of the US might depend on it.

    I mean no wonder that people are so amped up ready to convince others of 'not sure what they just saw, but fraud, fraud indeed'. This is online rumors, the TV channel. With 'you the detective' telling other people to join you in finding out what you just saw! But its important!
     
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    Don't need to. Between the fraud of changing electoral process's outside of valid authority due to Covid and refusal by progressives for decades to verify citizenship, residence etc. I have already made up my mind and deemed Biden and the election illegitimate well before needing to address the ballot fraud.

    I realize this may be a foreign concept to a communist but our elections are only as strong as bipartisan faith in the process, which at this point no longer exists.

    Election voided.
     
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    Yeah, but thats not possible.

    Again if you change electoral process - does this lead to subsequent fraud? No - not if you use methods that are shown to prevent it (for as long as people dont start to 'sell their votes' (to employers f.e.)) - f.e. mail in ballots.

    Second - its not progressives who have refused to verify citizenship or residence for decades. Its conventional interest having underfunded voting bureaus for centuries as a means of controllign how many votes come from what district. (Less staff, less voting bureaus per district, ...)

    Third - 'automatically removing people from voter lists' by running them against national databases of people that have died. Is not a simple automated process. That just someone refused to do. Its something that doesnt exist as an automated process. And that also doesnt negatively impact anything. The forwarding of personal data to voting offices isnt as 'null problemo' as you make it seem. (False negatives in that process, to what benefit?)

    AND FOR THE LAST TIME. If your scheme of 'stealing the election' depends on sending out ballots to different adresses, and then painstakingly making sure, that 18k+ of those are sent to dead people at addresses they still inhabit, where someone with a fake ID might have to sign to get into posession of the ballot.

    Just to find out, that it wasnt 18k votes you needed but 19k...

    You are an absolute idiot, moron, dummy, when it comes to 'planning a national takeover'.

    You are Pinky in Pinky and the Brain.

    So what, now for next time you organize 1000 more home addresses for dead people to life in, and manage the reception of individual ballots, just to fint out that you needed 20k this time?

    Oh you flipping moron.

    How close it will be in a state can be anticipated about 2 weeks before an election.

    You organize 18k dead people on lists living on 18k active home adresses in two weeks, go.

    But you just know - that this is what happened, because "you dont accept the authority" of the person who said, lets send out more mail in ballots?

    ??1?

    Drunk?

    edit: Here is how delisting works (in Bumblecrock Neverheardof):
    https://wlos.com/news/local/how-are-names-of-deceased-people-removed-from-voter-rolls

    Here is the followup question. How are dead people on voting registries becoming a problem?
     
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    We have legal process's in place for changing electoral process and people with the authority to do so, in the case of PA that is the state senate. They did not authorize mail in ballots. Rules were violated.

    Progressive platforms have opposed voter ID laws all across the board, this is not a secret or disputed by anyone in mainstream thought.


    Opium?
     
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    Yes crack. Here is why.

    I dont believe that rules were violated. You show me.

    Progressives have opposed voter registration laws for decades, yes. That doesnt mean, that you dont need a valid ID (or a verified home address) to vote.

    That just means, people who would show up with IDs (showing that they are a citizen), werent allowed to vote, because they werent 'preregistered'.

    It is known, that 'preregistering in time' is a hurdle for many disenfranchised communities, who then basically "dont vote" - because 'its too much work'. (Its also known, that voter registers were 'magically cleansed' of 'black sounding names' in several instances, shortly before an election. Causing people not being able to vote.)

    That doesnt mean that you want to destroy democracy (have people vote without any form of ID). I mean what do you think the progressives utopia is? Voting, then going out, running around the block, then voting again, because you didnt have to show anything?!? Blubbbu?

    So now progressives are both about not having people need to preregister to vote AND preregistering all those dead people to engage in a scheme that doesnt make any sense at scale?

    Now republicans havent defunded election districts for years, just so now they can say 'their registration lists arent perfectly in order'?

    I mean you moron think - that progressives were out to destroy democracy 'basically for decades' while you are delegitimizing the integrity of the voting system for no f*cking reason. So you re destroying peoples trust in democracy - but are blaming other people for having done something unrelated (fought against the need for voter registration), that you dont understand?


    And once more - explain to me, how that many 'dead people on lists' become a problem. Because thats the part thats never answered in all those 'brain transplant' not quite media stations, that tell you to be very vigilant, and watch the video for yourself, what do you think - is it fraud? Is it an office party? You decide.

    So you should have no opinion on how 'too many dead people in voter registries' matter. Hows your imagined way to exploit that.
     
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    To register online you do, you have to enter your social and your ID/License number. At least here in WA state and Oregon, I've lived in both.
     
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    The state senate of PA is the only one with the authority to allow mail in voting, they did not authorize it. You can put down the opium pipe and do it yourself.

    The President of the United States also addressed this.




    You do not need ID to vote or be verified as a citizen.

    https://www.headcount.org/voting-faq/what-do-i-need-to-register-t-vote/

    In most states, if you have neither a current driver’s license or state-issued ID, and have never been issued a social security number, you can still register by indicating on the registration form that you have neither identification number. Some may require an affidavit or other documentation.


    The only people who destroyed faith in the election are those that opposed verifying voters legitimacy and pushed forward with mail-in ballots in the face of opposition and protest. They were told, now you can consider it destroyed.

    Going forward you can consider the vast majority of Trumps 75 million voters to do everything we can to delegitimize this election, Biden, the government as a whole and any policy shift enacted by his administration. The word of the day and every day will be illegitimate, followed by non-compliance.

    If you are sincere in trying to remedy this division the only thing that would be accepted by this swath of the populace is a thorough audit of the contested states and nullification of any ballot casted through and illegal change in process.

    Now is there anything unclear about my position to you that requires you to keep talking?


    Instead of arguing you could just put down the pipe and read the official government website on voter registration.

    https://www.headcount.org/voting-faq/what-do-i-need-to-register-t-vote/

    In most states, ---> if you have neither a current driver’s license or state-issued ID, and have never been issued a social security number, you can still register <-- by indicating on the registration form that you have neither identification number. Some may require an affidavit or other documentation.
     
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    Election fraud still didn't happen, or there would be evidence by now. :rolleyes:
     
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    If this was a thing, Obama would have still been President.

    So, would you be making this same argument, if he had won just like 2016? "I don't trust the government. I think Biden still has a chance!"
     
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