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  1. Jayro

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    Nobody is moving goal posts. Trump is insinuating that there is MASSIVE voter fraud of MILLIONS of voters, not two. There's just no way.
     
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    I drew a diagram to help you understand how you litterally moved the goal posts.[​IMG]
     
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    I would consider "massive" fraudulent votes in the tens of thousands. Or hell, even under ten thousand. Is that good for you? How about that? If we find at least 10,000 fraudulent votes, your big daddy Trump can have his seat back. Sound good to you? Ya fuckin' troll. :rolleyes:
     
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    No, I have clearly and repeatedly said that there are people who did dodgy stuff during the election. It happens in every election and there will be people on both sides. But it's so insignificant that it makes no difference to the result. That isn't moving the goal post, you've just not been paying attention to where the goal posts were.

    Is this actually related to the presidential election though, the guy seems to have done this to try to get himself elected as mayor.

    https://abc7.com/8000-fraudulent-voter-registration-applications-filed-in-la/8046531/

    And he got caught. So I think your celebration is as premature as Trumps.
     
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    I don't think this is a fair analysis. The website (https://hereistheevidence.com/) collects, groups and rates evidence of voter fraud and irregularities (in the 2020 US presidential elections). It has 46 claims they give maximum confidence (they rate it 4 in significance admissibility in court), about 80 claims they give some confidence (not two 4s in rating), and about 1000 which they say are simply unverified, but they publish in a list named "Unverified (new submissions)". It is a poor argument to pick 5 of those 1000 unverified claims as representative of the whole.

    Perhaps a better representation of what the website presents - which is likely the work of one or more Trump supporters organizing information and not the ultimate authority in voter fraud and the lack thereof - would be to take the 46 pieces of evidence they have maximum confidence and see what their "strength" is. (46 pieces at the moment I write, it might increase or decrease in the future.)

    I decided to take a pseudo-random sample of 20% of those 46 claims. To make up 20%, I picked the entries 3, 8, 13, 18, and so on, until the 43th of those 46, forming a list of 9 (almost 20% of total).

    Here is my 20% sample, with sources (remove the spaces in each link). Anyone is free to delve deeper and take their conclusions on their merits, their trueness, their validity and their relevance.

    3rd: 2,689 fraudulent addresses used in GA and PA
    Source: http s://yout u.be/XH9ihoL i1NA?t=1756

    8th: 40,000~ mail-in ballots were cast in the names of deceased voters in PA
    Source: http s://hereistheevidence. com/fact-list/pa-009b20
    [Based on website which is currently offline, http s://chec kyourvote.org/deceas ed-voters/pennsylvania. It is kept in this list because it is a statistical/procedural error to remove it after the choice of pseudo-random sample.]

    13th: 40 of CO's 64 counties have more voter registrations than voting-age citizens
    Source: http s://ww w.judic ialwatch.org /press-releases/co-voter-rolls/

    18th: Mail-in ballots were "returned" for counting before they were mailed
    Source: http s://twitter.c om/VC4351/status/132553847 0593400832

    23th: 132,000 "Change of Address" flags in single GA county
    Source: htt ps://twit ter.com/Pe oples_Pundit/status/1325869245146816518

    28th: 18,000~ hidden ballots retrieved and counted during evacuation
    Source: ht tps://ww w.libe rtariannews.org/2020/12/03/cctv-capture s-ga-ballot-fraud-after-fake-pipe-leak/

    33th: 2,600 new votes found in county's recount
    Source: h ttps://ww w.ajc.co m/politics/georgia-recount-unco vers-2600-new-votes-in-presidential-race/I75NSPYYGNF43HQZBPYKJWJ5MA/

    38th: 234 pages of sworn affidavits for election irregularities from single county
    Source: ht tps://twitter.co m/kayleighmce nany/status/1326634874988617729

    43th: ES&S misrepresented their machines as EAC Certified to US officials
    Source: htt ps://ww w.poli tico.com/f/?id=000 00173-e9b5-d0bf-a17b-fdbfc0290000
     
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    Lol I love how you believe typing 'fact check' in bold and the presenting an opinion piece article is your way of dismissing this evidence. Stick to the narrative no matter what, hey bud? I did want to see what mental gymnastics would be used to discredit this video and I wasn't disappointed, that's for sure.
     
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    There is no good reason to have an electronic election held behind the closed-source propriety code of a 3rd party. That is beyond negligent. It is malicious. The Republicans and the Democrats, alike, generally don't like leaving anything up to chance--so it's likely that they broker candidacy and negotiate who is going to win, with a shared agenda of making the government more important in people's lives, and more lucrative.

    As for the blockchain/crypto solution. There are privacy concerns, doxing concerns, that come with being pinned on a blockchain. People generally don't want the world to know who they are voting for. So, there needs to be a way for people to maintain their privacy, a way to prove who they voted for, and a way to to account for voting population. Digital voting machines that read results, and that can override the output is just the loophole necessary to keep admin status over the course an election. They only have one function-and it's sold under the pretext of "convenience". Yes it is very convenient. It has likely been working as intended. Seeing that they are connected to the internet, they can do their work from home.

    I think it is a better idea, going with crypto solution if not paper. It would be easier to count, and it has the potential to being independently verified by anyone. But is it better for the politicians? Not yet. I'm hoping that it will be.
     
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    First I dint type fact check in bold I literally copied the articles headline, and the forum auto formated.

    Second, if you want to play the vicious being, that would rather post videos, when they are entirely lacking of context, when f*cking nefarious sources known for peddling unfounded conspiracy theories in the past do it - URGING every moron to 'look for themselves' and interpreting 'what that might be there on their own' (post in the comments, like and subscribe) -- literally stopping at 'blonde women' as a descriptor for who is in that video, then get out.

    "Blonde women told everyone to go home, that there would be no counting." SAYS WHO? THERE IS NO AUDIO ON THE VIDEO. BLOND WOMEN WORKED THERE, WHY ARE YOU PUTTING IT OUT THERE BEFORE EVEN KNOWING HER NAME? WHY ARENT WE GETTING QUOTES FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THEIR FUNCTION (if you try to protect their personality rights) - WHY IS THE ORIGINAL SOURCE TELLING PEOPL "this is a smoking gun" - AT THE SAME TIME IT IS TELLING THEM IT HAS NO IDEA WHAT EXACTLY IS HAPPENING ON THE VIDEO, YOU _HAVE TO_ WATCH IT YOURSELF.

    Could it be that the source plays you - and tries to get you to participate in a game of wasting your time, at the end of which you simply _cant_ allow anyone to tell you that you wasted your time? Its called farming user engagement. The best evangelists for any story are born that way.

    The fact check site AT LEAST HAD THE ACUMEN, to call up the voting officials in that county, and speak with the people in that room on what their positions where, and what happened from their perspectives, not just promoting a silent CCTV video with no context - spinning out the potential actions of 'nafarious blonde women'.

    F*ck you for falling for that shit on that level (the were literally no names attached to the video, there was literally the phrase 'smoking gun > but not sure whats, there > what do you see in that video' attached. And f*ck you three times over for sharing that shit.

    Journalism starts with doing background checks on material you've gotten. If you just want to share a video and the conspiratorial story thats attached to it on social media. Stay on social media.

    Also how dare you to try to remedy all of this with a personal attack.

    Thats the issue here - you have literally a deranged legal team pulling up all kinds of nonsense at this point, getting beat down in almost every case in court - AND SOMEHOW you manage to pull up even worse conspiratoral stuff, thats not even passing the 'first attempt to vet this test'. Thats entirely out there only to trap functional idiots. That never gets a second of court time, because of obvious reasons - and you are willing to bet your reputation as a 'sharer' of online information on 'blonde women wheeled in suitcases', what do you think?

    Hey - if you are not seven years old, please consider what you are doing, the entire atmosphere currently is insane enough.

    (As in normally you expect those kind of reputation attacks from foreign actors, not from the president of your country.)

    Also read the article, not just the headline - there is a timeline attached to the video of who shared it first, and what they said to get people riled up over it.

    They also spoke with the official election monitors.

    The F*CKING agitprop meme spreading channels didnt.

    And you 'very special person' stoped at the headline and accused me of writing factcheck, and then threw a tantrum.

    In the current climate - why WHY is nobody thats so concerned about the content in this video, they are not absolutely certain on, just suing the voting commision in that county?

    Answer:

    Because there is a difference between 'the court of facebook' and a 'criminal court' as in - facebook only lives to be driven into a conclusion using contexture and emotion. What really happened really is just in the way at this point.

    You want to see this as a proof of something - you dont care what the people in the video actually said, or did, you unload on the person actually providing you that context - BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT BE WRONG.

    "Do you think if you just put factcheck and then..." Then read, the effing factcheck. Read whats in there. Read what the people actually said. Read what gutterpunk first manufactured this to be something it ultimately turned out not to be. READ.


    edit:

    Also first you release that 'Information' to the public, and then you say you will file a lawsuit?
    https://usaherald.com/breaking-georgia-governor-kemp-calls-signature-audit-election/

    What exactly are you doing here?

    You delay, you spray effing vitreol, you let the public decide first, and courts later? You dont follow up on who is in the video and what they said, you release it via conspiracy peddlers - and then what? Hope for the best in court?

    edit2:

    Another far right news source at least got the names of the actors, and the first reactions of the political pundits.
    https://www.ntd.com/georgia-state-f...ulling-out-suitcases-with-ballots_535817.html

    The fact check website still got more.

    edit3: Election official reaction (different news source):
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ia-suitcase-video-ballots-trump-b1766363.html
     
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    Even then, trump is actually doing a disfavor to the republicans. Since there are no MASSIVE voter fraud, (might be maybe in the hundreds, at best) republicans in georgia are not gonna vote for the republican senators, since they think that its rigged. So, because of this, most likely us demos will be getting the majority of senate again because of the republicans!
     
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    A few things come to mind here.

    1. is this actually true? there have been a lot of convenient errors in their investigation, where addresses were claimed to be in different voting districts or people who voted were claimed to be dead because of bad data matching.

    2. is this just a sign of people who are into some shady shit, but are legitimate voters?

    3. is this important enough to affect the election? It seems kinda odd that someone would go to the hassle and only try to introduce such a small number of votes.

    4. Maybe these are fraudulent votes for Trump.

    The way I see it. There are so many cranks desperate to come forward because they want Trump to win and Rudy is desperate to try to use them because he wants Trump to win, that it's turned the whole thing into a circus. This is normally Trumps strong point, get his opposition to implode while chasing their tails. But now it seems to be their strategy. I don't see how it is going to pay off.

    Saying there was fraud before election day really hurt his position.
     
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    “If you look at the vote totals in the Electoral College tally, it looks like Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will prevail. I assume the electors will certify that and it will be official. We, as a nation, will move forward, because we always do.”- Kellyanne Conway 12/4/20
    she is talking like she already accepted Trumps lost.
    They seem to be dropping one by one...

    and it looks like Pence is starting to distance himself... I guess he wants to have a Political career after this
     
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    Yeah. But imagine the dilemma they're in. Perhaps destroy their career by going against the president and call him out for being a jackass with bogus accusations. Or just jump on the clown wagon, save your career but look like a jackass. :rofl: Must be tough.
     
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    Your explanation defies logic and common sense. Distrust in authority is one of the hallmarks of conspiracy theory belief. Your appeal to authority counter argument implies that I'm wrong to trust the government because of a possible or "likely" conspiracy scenario involving notable Trump appointees behaving politically opposite of their appointments, which includes:

    - The Federal Courts, which includes every-single-Trump-appointee who has judicated his lawsuits
    - The Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) -- led by a Trump appointee
    - Department of Justice (DOJ) -- led by a notably loyal Trump appointee
    - Department of Homeland Security (DOH), led by a Trump appointee

    Also involving Republicans from:

    - Red state governments such as Georgia & Arizona
    - State courts across the USA

    As well as conspiracy involvement from election officials affiliated with both parties:

    - Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC)
    - Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA)
    - National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS)
    - National Association of State Election Directors (NASED)
    - Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC)

    What you're implying is bat-shit crazy paranoid delusional nonsense with no realistic probability of happening.
     
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    Da comrade, large entrenched bureaucracy are never prone to corruption or oppression of there people.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Three more court decisions in today, one of which accused Mark Zuckerberg of fraudulently casting tens of thousands of ballots. All three cases were dismissed or denied. Who are they going to blame next, Anthony Fauci or Greta Thunberg?

    :rofl2:
    Trump and his allies lost all three cases and are now 1-45 in post-election litigation:

     
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    No it doesn't. Common sense is that politicians lie, and logically it is not unreasonable to assume that a government that cheats other elections would be capable or find incentives in cheating its own. You want to pretend that all these branches of government are autonomous? Well, that's illogical. You want to argue that Republicans are all loyal politicians who would not betray Trump? Well, since when?

    You put a lot of emphasis on bandwagonning and ad-hominem. It's ok to not trust the government. It's not unreasonable. If you feel like that must mean that you are wrong, that's you and your conscience.
     
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    I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords
     
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    Alleging that Trump appointees from across the spectrum are behaving politically opposite of their appointments -- while committing felonies -- is a better definition of illogical. With no evidence to support your conspiracy claim, all you have is a presumption of conspiracy. You boldly claim that we can't trust a government that has rigged foreign elections, but your claim lazily ignores the conspiracy element necessary to rig the 2020 election.

    Weakening that claim even further, you've also failed to show evidence of conspiracy involvement in prior US Presidential elections. Go ahead and show me evidence where a political party conspired against itself to elect a US President from the opposing party. You claim that politicians lie, but you have offered no evidence that the politicians or judges you're accusing of conspiracy are lying. You suggest that the branches of government are subjugating to the will of a single entity, yet you've once again offered no evidence that this total farce of a scenario is taking place.

    I should remind you that a conspiracy is "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful." A conspiracy theory is when you have no evidence that a conspiracy exists. Claims that the 2020 election was rigged in a conspiracy involving Trump political appointees and judges isn't just a baseless conspiracy theory -- it's lunacy.
     
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    BREAKING NEWS:

    Biden officially secures enough electors to become president
    https://apnews.com/article/election...oral-college-3e0b852c3cfadf853b08aecbfc3569fa
     
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