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  1. laudern

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    Goodbye wheels, the broken cart won't be needing you any more.

    I'm interested to see how the metal gymnastics can be applied to this video.
     
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    Easily, you must be new on this thread, refusal to investigate incidents by partisan authorities means they didn't happen to the progressives in this topic.

    They will just flat out claim it is a right wing fabrication using photoshop that there is a suit case even present. There is so much gaslighting in this thread I am at the point I refuse to accept a election has even occured.
     
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    The last election I believed was with Bill Clinton.

    I can't really imagine Trump cheating with bipartisan support, but it's possible that is what happened in 2016. I doubt he is going to do what he said he would do. But he might.
     
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    And?

    I dont think an affidavit is enough, really. "Some other form of documentation" should mean 'documentation of the sort you need for a valid id in the first place'.

    Also "the president also thinks so" in this day and age is not a valid source for 'show me that those people didnt have the authority".

    The effing rambling 'most important speech I've ever made' that he distributed through facebook was exactly that, an effing rambling speech on facebook, that wouldnt have been distributed by anyone if he didnt go 'lets blast it over social media channels'.

    AND BY SHOW ME THAT THEY DIDNT HAVE THE AUTHORITY, I meant, show me anything I can work with. Not link me to a nother f*cking 50 minute sililoque, you hold as gospel.

    Show me something that refereces whats going on, Pinky, using legal texts, using people involved, using statements of where the overreach happened.

    Dont show me 'I believe what the president says' these days - because that makes you a moron.
     
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    No. Google it your fucking yourself. Been discussed, common knowledge.
     
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    F*ck you, the burden of proof is not on me.

    Second asshole move to made to f*ck with everyones mind in here:

    What is an affidavit ballot?
    https://www.wilc.org/affidavit-and-provisional-ballots/ F*cker.

    Here is your mode of operation:

    "But it would be extremely hard to get an ID for dead people."
    "Yes, but they dont need any, they just need some documentation."
    "Yes documentation of the kind that would get you an ID in the first place:"
    "But they wouldn't even need that, they just would need to give an affidavit."
    "Yes triggering people that do all the checks on wether they have the required documentation afterwards."

    So you take everything out of context, you f*ck with peoples minds, on what is needed (effectively and ID, or all the things you would need to get one), and then you say 'buth theoretically - no ID'.

    You know what? F*ck you. And now I'm watching 50 minutes of Trump rambling on social media again, just to find out what you mean by 'didnt have the authoitääääääää', my president also believes.

    F*ck you.

    Also stop insisting that every act of kindness and understanding on behalf of 'ok, you might not have your ID with you' is a portal of massive voter fraud - if none of this is proven to be the case. I can insinuate, "dark forces" all day - that doesnt mean If I'm doing so I have a grip on reality. With Trump, sometimes it only means - I want to f*ck with your head.
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    Are you death? Dumb? And blind? Where is the MASSIVE prefix you throw arround all day long, except - when as proof you come up with two. 2. Duo. Not tres?

    Also dear sir, this is the same effing case you brought up before, where an idiot and his friend rented out 3 mail boxes to try to game 'getting elected as the mayor' of some town in the boondocks.

    There are checks in place to "catch" 3000-8000 ballots going to 3-4 addresses. Those people get caught. Pinky. Thats not a proof for potentially successful voting fraud. Especially not in the presidential election (as they werent registered for the presidential election).

    Thats just proof of the power of insane minds to warp yours.

    YOU ALREADY KNEW THAT. I ALREADY CONFRONTED YOU WITH THIS. NOW A WEEK LATER YOU ARE SPREADING THIS SHIT AGAIN?

    Here: https://www.latimes.com/california/...l-ballots-for-nonexistent-or-deceased-persons
     
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    Lead you by two hours at least. I was the first one posting the video together with 'look at the bullsh*t those people are fed'.

    Its not visible if this is voting fraud, or an office party - and of the channels "reporting on it" no one even found it necessary to find out who 'blond lady was'. What she was telling people "in the office", what her opinion on this was. What the legal opinion on 'that happening' was. If it wasnt an office party.

    Don't feed us with 'gumshoe - you be the detective, dont you see!!!"!' shit anymore. Be more concise.


    edit:

    Fact Check: Video From Georgia Does NOT Show Suitcases Filled With Ballots Suspiciously Pulled From Under A Table; Poll Watchers Were NOT Told To Leave
    https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...der-a-table-after-poll-workers-dismissed.html

    Please learn for once in your life, that if you are fed a story - where none of the actors are identified. You may be fed BULLSHIT.
     
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    You need a ID to get a job, drive a car, pick up a package, buy cigarettes, enter a bar, pawn a watch, register for schools, enter the DNC convention center or just about anything else.

    If you don't have a basic level of responsibility to have proof of who you are you are not smart enough to be filling out your own ballot or be making an informed decision. You are being exploited by a ballot harvester telling you whom to vote for.

    You are not a responsible coherent person, you have no business participating in a process that effects peoples lives and families and I don't give a fuck if you are disenfranchised. Get your shit together and come back.

    Lack of ID laws, citizen verification is the #1 issue undermining faith in our elections.
     
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    Can you read? With affidavits you get a provisional voting slip, with people looking into if you are allowed to vote afterwards.

    As for 'other documentation' read this:
    https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voter-verification-without-id-documents.aspx

    Also this is not a 'comet has struck earth revelation' this has developed in the US historically.

    If you have close to 50 independent legislations on voting laws in the US, dont complain about 'but they dont all require voter ID'. Dont show the posibility of those systems being exploited (in your dreams), show them actually being exploited.

    Just putting forward nightmare scenarios doesnt help anyone.


    edit: If you can find me specific fraud that happend in those specific states with provisions for Non-Documentary ID voting - good on you. Then you might have something. If not - then stop insinuating.

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  11. jimbo13

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    I've voted in 8 states, never miss an election. Never have needed to present ID so you can save the argument.

    If we had Voter ID laws we could run an entire audit of all 150 million ballots in a few hours and no doubt from anyone reasonable would exist.

    I'd have to double check this but Arizona is the only state in the union that checks citizenship.
     
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    You still need to read. Obove are ALL the states listed, that dont need you to show ID, before voting. All of them and the measures they employ to ensure you are allowed to vote regardless.

    Now cross reference those with the states that are challenged for 'vote having been fraudulent' by the Trump team this time arroud, and bring me concrete cases, where those provisions have lead to massive coordinated fraud.

    Dont bring me 'a feeling'.
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    President video:

    At: 03:20 into the video:
    "Voting ballots were sent to millions unknown recipients, with virtually no safegards of any kind."

    Virtually is a qualifier in this case - which means, there were safeguards in place.

    At 04:00 into the video
    "Mail-in ballot laws were brought into action without going through the legislative body. Those were unconstitutional."
    Thats what some of the Trump lawsuits are about. The ones where he is 40:1 on losses:wins:
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...me-court-block-pa-election-result/3785564001/
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...fight-includes-over-30-lawsuits-it-s-n1248289
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/us/politics/trump-election-lawsuits.html

    So his interpretation of constitutional law, certainly isnt the courts interpretation.

    At 04:30 - California sent out millions of ballots to people who didnt even request them (and some dead people within that as well - probably).
    Yes - but safety measures were in place: https://www.capradio.org/articles/2...in-california-amid-covid-19-attacks-by-trump/
    and Trump isn't challenging the voting results in california. So this is pure FUD.

    At 05:00: "It is widely know, that sending out voting ballots to people that havent requested them leads to widespread fraud, as those lists are filled with people who - dont live in the state anymore, are dead, or illegal migrants.

    If you dont maintain an active address - because you a. left the state, or b. died - there are checks in place to suss that out:
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...unted-in-past-u-s-elections-but-many-did-not/
    Why would they be partisan?

    If you are on a voter registration list, you had to have to proof legal citizenship at one point.

    At 05:15 Voter registration records are riddled with errors, duplicate entries, ... Yes, and that doesnt matter. Because you need a person, who 'has something, or knows something (signature)' in addition to one such record, (coming in - and/or requesting a mail in ballot to an address on the record) actually trying to fraudulently vote. To coordinate that for 18.000+ cased under risk of being sent to prison on part of ever single one of them - is close to literally impossible - and we have seen no evidence, that this is taking place.

    At 05:30 Several of counties have more people on voter registers, than voting age citizens. Yes, voting registers arent well maintained. But to get onto one, you had to prove 'voting eligibility' at one point. And there are checks in place to catch if someone voted fraudulently, at least at some point in the voting chain.

    At 05:50 100.000s of voters on several list couldnt be confirmed in terms of having their residency in that county, but officials refused to remove them from the lists. Yes - in case they are voting, which would trigger an identity check in those cases.

    "They knew why (they did that), nobody else did. I knew why. They are illegal voters."

    I'm sick of listening to this shit. And I'm only 6 minutes in - there is another 40+ to go. I cant bare it anymore - it is 'snowflakes quest ont sh*ting on every potential source of fraud, failing to prove any 'structural abuse potential'.

    Its vicious attacker listing 20+ possible instances of minute abuse possibilities, without letting the other side speak (as to how they are dealt with), or actually showing that they were abused.

    You have a loose canon at the helm, that if he cant be pronounced 'the winner' is destroying any believe in american democracy, without any poof - that would hold up in courts.

    I hate to have to bring it down to a 'but courts say" argument, but seeing all the nafarious energy that is put into instilling fear and doubt in people - I have to, there is no recourse.

    Many of the things he is addressing can be seen as issues. Many of them have mitigations in place, so they dont become a structural issue. Many of the issues the is addressing are mostly imagined. Most of the issues he is addressing arent possible to exploit 'for one political side only or mostly' (you can coordinate abuse).

    Petes list of what is not perfect in democracy, is an impressive list - but thats all it is.

    Wake me when you have something like -- republicans removed all black sounding names from a voting register in Florida.

    So something where one persons actions really has the potential to impact 1000s of votes.
    Or show me the massive collusion network with 18k+ actors that lives hidden within american democracy. That only votes against Trump - when exactly 18k votes are needed.
     
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    I didn't realize I had assumed the obligation of proving it to you.

    75 million+ Americans don't believe our election was fair, that's enough for me and enough to make a Biden administration irrelevant.

    That said, I am aware there are 50 different complicated jurisdictions, and I reject the notion that there are proper safe guards. I have been politically active for 15+ years working almost exclusively on ballot reform issues. I highly recommend www.whytuesday.org

    I vote almost exclusively third party and independents, which I have accepted along time ago wouldn't win without ballot reform and access.

    So on that note you are preaching to the wrong choir trying to convince me that our election system isn't fundamentally broke & fraudulent.

    This Camels been limping since approximately the Ford administration, 2020 is the straw that broke it's back.
     
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    Believes dont cut it, if your president is going on facebook, giving a 50 minutes press conference, listing all the things that could go wrong, and his legal believes of 'constitutional violations', which are struck down in courts.

    You have a mad man at the helm, trying to tell you here are all the vulnerabilities. All of them were used by my enemies at once - this is why I lost.

    People believe authority figures. But you have to show cases where this stuff actually happened. Moreso - you have to show 'coordination' between those cases - otherwise -- "it happened on both sides, and potentially cancels itself out".

    You cant just say - the system is f*cked in so many ways - this is why I lost. And then provide no proof on actual coordinated mishandling of large numbers of anything, that could lead to widespread fraud.

    If you are trying to add up all cases of 'human error' and 'identified weaknesses', at least dont do it 'only for one side'.

    If you say you have video, that shows that at a certain time, 18k of democrat votes were stuffed into the system, then also show, that at that time vote count reporting showed 18k democrat votes being stuffed into the system. And show it in that county. Not somewhere else in the country, and then go on a 'but it might have happened there as well' tangent...

    Dont puzzle together your case of voting fraud - from "all potential sources of voting fraud" and personal believes or feelings.
     
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    You act as if these complaints, objections and protesting of our election system are new. We just didn't come up with this shit on a whim on Nov, 10th and have no prior experience, anecdotal observation or previous participation too say, "Nah bruh this shits broke I am done."

    And the bottom line here is we are done.

    75 million people for right or wrong believe they have been disenfranchised and they do not intend to just aimlessly keep participating in the status quo, I do not claim to know what shape that will take but a great musician once said "I can feel it in the air tonight."
     
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    You act like those are new, and coordinately abused to hurt Trump.

    For the first time ever, in history. Because it took Trump to find out that 'provisional ballots' existed (no), or that there might be dead people on voter registries (no), and they were only abused to hurt him, him, him, him, him him him and him personally. Because he was so loving to the people, but hated by the elites. F*ck that. What a sick game to play. Make those accusations when you have ANYTHING that shows coordinated abuse of those provisional systems, or 'imperfect systems' being abused to target one side predominantly. If you dont have anything like that - dont f*ck with peoples minds, on the bases of 'but it could have happened'.

    (Statistical likelyhood of zero, but "You cant proove a negative. Also you cant prove that god doesnt exist." Yes thank you - we understand...)

    When most of them cant even be coordinated. When most of them are based on or are fallbacks for 'human error' (I've forgotten to bring my ID, what now? > Provisional ballot).

    Most of them should affect both sides of the vote. You have to bring ANYTHING forward, ANYTHING, that shows, that those were used for coordinated fraudulent action.

    Dont just point at the enemy crab and tell people they can attack its weak point for massive damage.

    Wolf, wolf, that house could be on fire! Wolf! i dont have to prove that it is... 75% of americans.... wait for it.... believe! (Number might not be accurate.)
     
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    Not true, I felt and was angered when they fucked Nader, Perot, Paul & Sanders to.

    Sanders not so much, he took the lake house and shut up like a good little toadie.

    And make no mistake in mine and others intent, we are going to proverbialy burn it to the fucking ground before putting up with a lick of shit from Biden.

    Order of importance : Being free of Biden DNC policies > USA.

    I am looking forward to things being 1966 interesting.
     
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    Trump:

    "It is a travesty - that in 2020, we dont have the means to identify all those people on those voting registers, on such an important election, and to tell - who they are and..."

    Wake me up, when there is a census drive next year that reaches 100% of people, and you have enlisted enough voting place workers to check each and every american - to make sure that fraud in every individual case is virtually impossible.

    It starts with a census doesnt even reach all people ( https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/does-the-census-actually-count-everyone-and-should-it ) and the acknowledgement, that democratic systems are not autocratic inteligence operations keeping tabs on every citizen. Refusing to them the right to vote - in an absolute sense - and thereby filling your entire court system with people having to protest against such a decision. Alert! Peter Mueller moved out of state, so have a system that informs authorities to remove his elegibility rights at 12:00pm sharp. Might not be the goal here.

    At the same time - acknowledge, that many people focus on finding potentials for coordinated fraud. Where one person, could actually affect many votes. Those are statistically relevant. Those would allow you to turn elections. Those would be possible to be maintained over several years - and set in place more than two weeks before the election, when you start to know what the 'key battlegrounds' are going to become.

    Dont point at 'humans arent perfect' and demand 'someone fix my computer'. Because computers are perfect. In the year 2020.

    If you are doing that, you !%&#(§/, you are instilling in people an image to demand 'a perfect system', where 300 million people can be spot checked at a whim. And records are able to be kept pristine...


    What you absolutely should do - is point out instances, where one persons actions have the capability to affect the outcome of many votes (lets say - removing all black sounding names from the voter registry in a precinct).

    And please acknowledge, that its much harder to get 18k+ people to vote twice, knowing that they will go to prison if someone finds out they do that coordinately. Compared to what Trump just demanded - which is 'if you cant contact 100.000s of voters to verify - that they are still in the state' - just remove them from voting lists, they are illegals.

    Its always easier to 'suppress votes' than to solicit people to sneak by saveguards to vote twice, knowing, that they are ommitting a crime. Youd almost have to convince them individually to take that personal risk. While removing 100.000 people from voter registration lists, would just be 'an administrative act'. Condoned by the Trump administration. Patriotic even. If you think about it... *sarc*
     
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    No, it starts with progressives not purposely keeping the system broke because they were trying to get illegal aliens on the roles.

    This is why we can't have good ID, good Census or really get in to the business of who has legal entitlements here.
     
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    Where it starts is part of a blame game. The rebuttle then is - why aren you giving me the funding.

    Again - this is not a centralized operation with automatically cross referenced databases, this is voter bureaus having to check individual cases for eligibility, 'pinged' by 'someone with that name born at that age died' in some cases (where socialsecuity ID numbers arent available). Those cases should become fever and fever over time.

    Social security number was phased in starting in 1943.
    https://www.investopedia.com/articl...615/purpose-having-social-security-number.asp
     
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    This entire mess wouldn't have occurred if the U.S., the world's leading superpower and an absolute technology giant, deployed an electronic voting system based on crypto. It's not like we don't have the technology - crypto transactions cannot be altered or reversed, tokens cannot be created or destroyed once issued. One eligible voter = one token = one vote, it's not rocket science. The current system is not needlessly complicated, it's complicated on purpose to make audits unfeasible. I can't believe that we have thousands of people counting paper ballots and pencil pushers (poorly) adding numbers from glorified ATM's that a child aged 11 was able to hack in 10 minutes. DEFCON's Voting Village issues a warning in regards to the U.S. eVoting systems every single time, and every single time ES&S, Dominion and now-defunct Premier "reassure that everything is peachy". I'm not surprised confidence in the results is shockingly low - it should be low, the way election night was conducted, the slow pace of counting and the whole shabam in general was laughable. America needs Voter ID in every state and a voting system that's not a joke, preferably ran by the fed itself as opposed to external contractors. Every county does things differently for no reason, uses different machines, nothing is compatible - what a nightmare.
     
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