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  1. tabzer

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    Entertaining conspiracy theories and believing in them are two different beasts. People entertain conspiracy theories because there is already distrust.

    If it is illogical, then don't do it. There is no "better definition of of illogical". It's not a spectrum. The word is "unlikely" If you want to invent your own conspiracy theory and then call it unlikely, then go ahead and do that.

    While we are at it, let's not pretend that you even care about "evidence". What you want is "proof". Use the word "proof" instead of baiting people for evidence that you will never accept.

    I'm free to believe what I believe, and think about what could have happened. I have plenty of reason to not trust the US government. I know what a conspiracy is. The question is, is it "unlawful" if there is no prosecution?
     
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    You really don't have a good grasp on the english language do you bud?
     
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    Pretty sure you are missing something if you can't tell the difference between evidence and proof. Asking for evidence and rejecting it because it isn't proof is as disingenuous as saying that "there is zero evidence."
     
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    Try again.
    If you had evidence you absolutely would've shared it by now.
     
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    "Let's not pretend that you even care about "evidence". What you want is "proof". Use the word "proof" instead of baiting people for evidence that you will never accept."

    What do you think I am trying to prove? I've seen evidence and points raised in this thread and I see how it gets shut down as "not good enough" or dismissed because of the publication it appeared in, or ignored. I've seen them dismissed because things like Poltifact is revered as some final authority, when it makes conclusive statements regarding fact based on the premise of "plausible deniability", or even worse, just denial.

    Let's look:

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...rgia-election-workers-didnt-kick-out-observe/

    Assertion: "No, Georgia election workers didn’t kick out observers and illegally count ‘suitcases’ of ballots"

    Reasoning: People disputed it.
     
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    Considering most people use "proof" and "evidence" interchangeably in the real world quite often, even in legal setting, you are arguing semantics.

    But let's go with your fells over facts definition for a minute.

    Most of the presented "evidence" has been proven false by the courts, people have provided "evidence" that they have been proven false, but yet you continue to believe that the "evidence" existence is proof enough that there is corruption despite it being proven false. For instance, if this were a case where the murder weapon was a revolver, but you brought in a shotgun shell as "evidence" it would be thrown out as clearly false "evidence", but still drumming up that it is evidence so it shouldn't be ignored.

    Also, no one in the topic is saying it doesn't exist either, just that is false or has an extremely likelihood of being false considering the sources. Sorry, but you can't constantly lie about things and pull off hoaxes and expect to be trusted easily by the public again. As it stands though, every bit of "evidence" that has been brought into this topic has been proven false though, so why you're still fighting against that is beyond me.

    It's fine if you don't trust the government or the outcome, but feelings do not equate to the facts of the matter.

    Why wanting things to be 100% proven as true is a bad thing for you is beyond me, but you do you.
     
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    Backpedaling. You literally posted the definition of "proof" as if it contradicted what I said and took a jab at my English comprehension. Asking people for proof is unreasonable. It's not realistic to think that this is the place where the case is going to be settled.

    Dismissing a case because the evidence isn't strong enough is not the same as "proving evidence false". Rejecting evidence based on publications is not "proving evidence false". Denying allegations is not "proving evidence false".

    Please quote me where that is implied by myself, and I will demystify it for you.

    Disingenuous. %100 is always the goal, but we have to spend time with less than that.
     
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    I tried to learn more about the claim. It appears this election official Richard Barron has changed his claims about what happened that night, which gives less credence to his denial.

    https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-ne...ctions-operations/EVCBN4ZJTZELPDHMH63POL3RKQ/

    (...)
    Though quickly criticized by the county chairman, Barron said he sent almost all of his staff home because some were tired to the point of being “counter-productive.” And so GOP observers left because they thought counting was done for the night. But five county workers stayed to process more ballots until 1 a.m.
    (...)

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...rgia-election-workers-didnt-kick-out-observe/

    (...)
    "No announcement was ever made to leave, for anyone to leave," Barron said. "Certain staff that were on the cutting stations, that were on the flattening stations, that were extracting from the inner envelopes, those staff left as work completed. I found out sometime, I think a little after 10:30, that they were going to cease operations, and I told them not to do that."

    "It was normal processing that occurred there," said Barron, who added that the plastic bins shown in the video were "bins that they keep under their desks near the scanners."
    (...)
     
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    Too bad politifact already determined what the facts are. I wonder if they rate that false as well because they already promoted contradictory evidence and made a final judgement on it.

    "Truthiness."
     
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    I literally just documented for you where I accepted your evidence regarding foreign election interference [here]. How can you be this effing dense?
    Fulton County election officials and the Republican Governor both debunked your Facebook conspiracy theory. From the same article:
    Do you have evidence that these weren't ballot containers? Do you have evidence that the Republican Governor and Fulton County election officials are involved in this alleged conspiracy?

    Still waiting for evidence that demonstrates:
    Due to time constraints, all future responses from me will be limited to discussing the three demands listed above. If you present counter evidence regarding the ballot containers, I may respond to that also.
     
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    Nice platitude. What is so genuine about disputing history, and graciously accepting my "evidence"?

    I can read politifact. My complaint is about them. Not about what you think about "things", or how you try to defend them by shifting the burden on to me, a reader who is on the reception end of their asserted "facts".

    "Let's not pretend that you even care about "evidence". What you want is "proof". Use the word "proof" instead of baiting people for evidence that you will never accept."

    Well, you are going to be waiting for a while, because I have no interest in convincing you.
     
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    Correction: You have no evidence to convince me with.

    — Posts automatically merged - Please don't double post! —

    LOL @ 1-46

    What kind of crappy record is that? :shit:
     
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    No. You just aren't that interested/interesting.
     
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    I may not be very interesting, but I am very interested. Show me the money!
     
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    If you were interested in that, and not in me, you'd be in a totally different place doing your research. I don't have anything particularly groundbreaking or original to offer, and it was never my intention to prove truth to the assertion that "the election is rigged" or to the assertion "the election was not rigged". I am in the camp that thinks it is probably rigged, and my biggest concern is the use of a cloaked electronic vote tallying system in place of more transparent alternatives that already exist.
     
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    Via "plausible deniability".
     
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    This message brought to you buy two folks that bring 0 or falsified evidence to arguments and believe in things based on gut feelings.
     
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    Does the Chinese government call them fact checkers to?
     
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    Neg to insist that the US is china, because your leaderfigure (coincidentally not the leaderfigure of the US anymore) said so? ;)
     
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