Games and media franchises you know mostly from offbeat/forgotten sources.

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    Any number of works have spinoffs, failed sequels, cameos and adaptations that go on to be ignored, reviled or largely forgotten by the world at large. What notable games, books, media works or franchises in general do you only know from things that most people have not heard of, or heard of in recent years? This is mostly a gaming series so if you have those then so much the better but we are definitely open to comics, TV shows, books, films, novelizations, picture book retellings and the like. Even more interesting is many years ago, in what might be said to be an ancient precursor to this series, we had a discussion on legendary games or franchise you have not played so if your primary experience with such things is still one of the offbeat titles then please do note that too. By way of example then I once met someone for whom their primary experience of pokemon was with pokemon snap. With the site being named for a handheld and handheld ports and efforts occupying the space that they do then do share any of those you have here. For instance then while most of these are hardly forgotten or ignored titles I somehow missed the Megaman games on the NES; to that end my first experience was mostly the gameboy offerings, and then megaman battle network on the GBA.

    Did such things spur you on towards trying something else? For instance while not impossible that many a science fiction fan would not have read Roadside Picnic (it also inspired a legendary film and is considered a top flight work in its own right) were it not for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. then such things certainly helped it find a new audience. Metro 2033 also saw many give the books a go, and while the Witcher was popular enough in Poland for a film and TV series back in 2001/2002 then it would likely not have been until the 2007 game (or indeed the later patched up version) that many would have explored the books. While it was somewhat inevitable that I would read it my first real experience with the Dune universe was actually the megadrive port of Dune II: Battle for Arrakis. Continuing with legendary science fiction then maybe you only know The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy from the 2005 film, though I will say I will be very impressed if you only know it from the Commodore 64 text adventure.

    For my part then a lot of comic book characters I only know from TV shows, mainly as I (nor my friends) ever really read any comics. For instance Batman The Animated series is my primary reference for Batman. 90s Xmen cartoon the same, as is Spiderman (though I did also see the 60s cartoon). Superman then while I probably saw some films back when it is actually the 90s Dean Cain Superman TV show "Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman" that forms my primary reference. I would also not be the first person to note that Star Wars is more of a game series to me than it is a film series, and I wonder if given early buzz about the Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order and general cinematic failures of recent films if it might be the same for a whole new generation of kids.
    If I know anything of Warhammer then it is actually courtesy of Warhammer: Dark Omen, a somewhat forgotten (but actually quite good) real time strategy game from 1998.
    More generally are there any characters you mostly only know from a cameo in a fighting game; more than once "I only know them from Smash Brothers" has been uttered on these forums. To my eternal display many people's main experience with Sonic the Hedgehog is from the Sonic (in name only) Adventure series, which is probably something experienced many times throughout the move to 3d for games, though maybe yours is Sonic 3d for the megadrive. Game wise then I never really played GTA 4 but played the standalone double pack quite a bit, especially lost and damned. Returning to films for a moment then if your experience with the Judge Dredd character is primarily from the 1995 Sylvester Stallone vehicle then please do yourself a favour and pick up either the comics or the more recent film offering.

    Have you ever discovered something is in fact a tie in, spin off or the like but courtesy of odd naming you never knew? Warhammer mentioned earlier quite often purposely excludes Warhammer from the name these days, and the Lord of the Rings connection was purposely downplayed heavily for the Shadows of Mordor franchise. While I later played them then at the time I mostly got into the Might and Magic franchise via Heroes of Might and Magic, hopefully nobody suffered the Warriors of Might and Magic and thought that representative of the franchise at large.

    Are there any classic works that you experienced via other media? Sherlock Holmes, Beowulf, the stories of king Arthur? Ditto any more adult audience works -- many will note things like Rambo actually got cartoons back in the day, and plenty of people likely experienced a more mature audiences film via a tie in game (I certainly played various Alien games on the megadrive before I ever saw any of the films).

    This is part of a series on GBAtemp where we discuss game culture, game mechanics, industry trends and similar such things. In the previous edition we discussed game franchises that rose from the dead, and those which should have stayed dead.

    If you have an idea then either make the thread yourself and it could get put on the portal, or get in contact to share some ideas.


    So examples from your life of those things mentioned above, and things that have resulted from that; I might never have been able to reasonably state "in the comics" but courtesy of watching said 90s cartoon I knew of the Xmen dark phoenix plotline (and subsequent butchery of it) when the films gave it a stab.
     
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  1. ignare

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    I was recently watching a lot of movies with Vincent Gallo, who isn't a very well known actor but directed and starred in an incredible movie called Buffalo '66. He also starred in this great movie called Tetro that Coppola directed.
     
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    Funny you would mention Warriors of Might and Magic... NO, I'm not saying that's my first entry into the franchise, which would instead be a demo for Heroes of Might and Magic II (does anyone still play demos?).
    However, Warriors is a game I never finished but always wanted to have another shot at. This is probably because I like the series so much and I'm being too nice to the game...

    For other franchises where I was exposed to the games before the original media I'm not sure. I remember Yu-Gi-Oh from the GBA games.
    First encounter with Dragon Ball was a Snes game.
    For a while I had only played Harry Potter 3 extensively on GBA without seeing the movie.
    Mario & Luigi RPG on GBA was probably the first Mario game I finished unless you count Yoshi's Island on Snes.
    Golden Axe Warrior was my first encounter with the golden axe series, so a spinoff.
    First and only Crash game I've beaten is Crash Bash, so another spinoff. I'm starting to see a pattern here...

    For characters I got introduced to in other games, there's easily some from Smash Bros. , Kingdom Hearts and Marvel vs Capcom 2. Squall, Cloud, Tidus with all their co's, Ness, Fire Emblem and I don't know if I can name any of those from MvC2 anymore, but I know their looks like those lego looking characters from Tron Bonne or whatever it's called.
     
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  5. DS1

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    This is a hard one, though I know there are several examples. I think the biggest one is Final Fantasy Legend, which is actually the first game in the SaGA series (America missed out on 4-6 on the SNES until just recently).

    Another was my confusion over the "King of Fighters", which I thought was a boastful title (sure, the guys from Fatal Fury were in the game, but where were the characters from other fighting games like Street Fighter?).Then later, when I became a big KOF fan, I find out that characters like Athena, Ralf, and Ryo were all from their own franchises as well.

    Similarly, I was never sure whether Sakura started in Street Fighter or Rival Schools - I think I knew she was from Street Fighter, but had never played any game with her in it before Rival Schools.

    The biggest one I was conscious of, though, was Gundam. I'd never seen any Gundam anime before (they only showed it in America on special channels you had to pay extra for), but I played all of the games. I ended up watching the shows BECAUSE of the games, not the other way around.
     
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    As said as an example in the OP, my only contact with Fire Emblem characters is Smash Bros, and it has been that way for ~18 years, although they're absolutely my favorite characters in that game (the only ones I use when I get serious, actually). I tried playing Path of Radiance once because of that, and I honestly didn't like it.
     
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    Fire Emblem used to fit that description for me and to a lesser extent Advance Wars, until Awakening. Now everyone and their brother is playing the games. (and swears they always have been...)
    Back then, when I mentioned the series everyone looked at me puzzled as though they never heard of it, now everyone speaks of it as though they've been playing it forever. I find it a bit annoying actually, knowing that a portion of them are either misremembering or lying because not everyone could have been playing it, or no one (far fewer) would have looked at me quizzically. Those two series were single-handedly responsible for my deep gaming affection.
     
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    Starfox Adventure. Everyone seems to love bashing this game, but it's actually one of the only two Starfox game I ever loved.
    That second game would be Starfox Command, a game that I don't hear much, but that I particularly like for the fact that it's not a rail shooter, and have multiple endings.

    Not really forgotten, but definitely not like the mainline franchise: Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles. This was my gateway to everything Final Fantasy.
     
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    I was about 6 years old when I played Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy text adventure. Never knowing about the books until many years later I was introduced to them as a teen. I still remember that precise moment thinking - holy shit these were books?! while at the same time faking it, yea I know these books..

    I had no idea what Dick Tracy was except a (terrible) video game.
     
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    Nes had i, ii, iii. Snes had final fantasy iv, v, vi, and mystic quest. Of which ii and iii were only released in japan till later ports. Ff iv was labeled as ff ii in us and ff v was not released in america and ff vi was labeled as ffiii. I know gets really complicated lol
     
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    Only know about ghosts and goblins because of maximo. Great ps2 spinoffs. Also summon night swordcraft story 2 is really good spinoff game of summon night.
    Note: i havent played either mainline summon night or ghosts and goblins.
     
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    That's my point exactly, you're confusing this with "Final Fantasy". Final Fantasy Legend had nothing to do with Final Fantasy, it's from a series called SaGa, but because of the way they named it I had no idea either.

    1, 2, and 3 were on Gameboy, 4, 5, and 6 were on SNES and called "Romancing SaGa", while 7 and 8 were on PSX and called, "SaGa Frontier". We actually got a remake of 4 in America called Minstrel Song on PS2, but like the others, I had no idea it was from the same series.

    I just remembered a few more though - Mana Khemia was the first Atelier game I'd heard of, but it was presented as something brand new in America. Also I didn't have any idea Persona Revelations had anything to do with (Shin) Megami Tensei, which was a series I knew about, but hadn't actually played the games.

    OH and even more - I didn't know Dynasty Warriors and Romance of the Three Kingdoms were from the same story (I read the book before playing either), and that Gensou Suikoden was loosely based on Bandits of the Marsh. They even made a Feng Shen Bang game (Mystic Heroes?) that I never tried.
     
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    DR has a couple of Japanese only light novels that some folks do know about. Of these, right now only Ultra Despair: Hagakure and DR: IF have an official English release, with DR:Togami having a partial fantranslation of it's its first volume and DR:Kirigiri having a full fantranslation of it's first volume and for the rest, only summaries exist in English.

    What most folks don't generally know about is Kirigiri Sou. It's an audio drama that was bundled with DR3s Blu-Ray release and was not released out of Japan. It's... pretty unique for a DR game/story. You basically follow Kirigiri around as she solves a case and the thing has multiple endings, several of which are in the non-canon or otherwise strange category.

    Beyond that, for the more generally known elements; the manga Killer Killer is actually set in the Danganronpas universe but kept the twist secret up until volume 3.
     
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  16. wartutor

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    Very interesting i bow sir now i have a new series to check out thanks to this thread :switch: but first i have to 100% death stranding friggin addicted to that game atm :gba:
     
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    Hard to say. It's probably easier to tell where I DON'T get my game/multimedia radar up: mainstream media. As these are paid for their opinion, it mostly invalidates their objectivity to me.

    It's also very different per medium.

    Books are the easiest: I just browse the library in the areas I care about (I read pretty much only non-fiction at this point), flick open some books based on their summary on the back and read some parts on a random page (sorry, but if the writing style is boring, I won't pick it). Only the books that I know I'll reread or want to place markers in are those I end up buying. I also have a list on my phone of books that might interest me (which I note whenever - almost by chance - newspapers do an article on one, or mention something(1) ).
    Okay...no: comics are really the easiest: I just read a few based on their cover/art style. If it intrigues me enough, I try to pick up the series in the library (which only seldom works in the correct order). If this lingers in my mind long enough I start buying these.

    Movies are 'meh'. I rarely watch them. From time to time I get a craving for horror movies, so I just google 'best horror movies <last year>', read a few summaries and get the one I'm interested in. Sometimes a few extra in case it's boring (I'm very picky in this regard. As said: I rarely have time for television).

    ...And then games. At this point, it's usually one of the following sources:
    -it came on my radar due to sales (humble bundle or the appsales-app on android)
    -it's from a developer that made some of my earlier favorite games
    -it's mentioned on pixelated cardboard (and appeals to my virtual board game needs ;) )
    -(very rare) an IRL friend recommends me something
    -one of my favorite youtube-channels (get indie gaming, worth a buy, ...erm...perhaps some more)

    Okay, the latter isn't exactly obscure, but still...this is also the source that acts as support of the other channels.


    (1): this isn't always a good thing for me. Not that long ago, I read something about "We" by Yevgeny Zamyatin, which inspired e.g. 1984 and Brave new world. It might be a classic...but it was such an incredible drag to read that I felt back at school (where we were tasked to read books that nobody would ever otherwise read). :(
    You mean Rodin's Le penseur (The thinker), edited to have Tempy's head? :unsure:
     
  18. raxadian

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    I had the Gameboy game then lost it during a plane trip. Thankfully the Gameboy emulator for the DS works quite well so I can finally finish it.
     
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    I had a similiar experience, once i was madly hooked on Super Dodge Ball Advance. I lost that game one wintersday while hicking in the snow.
    I took me years before I realised it was a spin-off of the Kunio-Kun series. I like River City Ransom better now a days. Woudn´t have looked into it if it wasn´t for my love for Super Dodgeball Advance.
     
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