Existence of God?

[` regret .]

Before we start let's try and get a few things clear, I'm not flambaiting I'm looking for opinions on this, also if your going to read this thread and blow little comments completely out of proportion leave. now. If your somebody that's really defensive about this kind of stuff and you know you'll end up in a huge flame war of racial slurs you can also leave. This thread will be kept open as long as nobody flames, please don't get the thread locked. If you don't agree with something post why and with reasons, not just "U STUPID FK I HOPE U GO HELL!"

Believer's of god state that he is

1) Omnipotent
2)Omniscient
3)Omnibenevolent

These are obviously easily attacked issues, and often attacked issues but they still make sense to attack. If god is Omniscient then he has knowledge of the hardships and failures that the human race has encounters, he has knowledge that the humans lead wars against other humans, and that we don't come in peace, but even with that knowledge he isn't KIND enough to stop the wars or even try too, so that means one of two things. He CAN'T stop the wars because he doesn't have the power to stop them meaning he is NOT omnipotent. The second option is that he isn't kind enough to stop the wars meaning he isn't omnibenevolent. The believer's state that those three factors are what has made up God and why he is the "ruler" but not all three of those can be correct defining God or any other human being.


PS : Don't flame me please.
PSS : I'm not Atheist, I beleive in God.

 

[Gore]

Honestly, anybody who isn't a Christian is a plain moron.

 

[p1ngpong]

Yeah he could easily stop all the wars, end all pain and stuff like that if he wanted.

But we still have 10% warns for eating his apple so meh.

 

[raulpica]

Yeah he could easily stop all the wars, end all pain and stuff like that if he wanted.

But we still have 10% warns for eating his apple so meh.

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p1ngy

 

[Alato]

I'm not really christian or anything, but.

You're taking kindness as it's generally interpreted by people. But what if letting war exist with humans and other terrible things like that is really part of a more profound kindness.... :0

But nah, I don't believe in him as an actual existence. As is clear with the millions of Grecian Gods, people just seek an explanation for everything. And those who need them badly enough either find one or make one. And during the development of society in the world, Christianity has had its influence.

 

[Slyakin]

I believe in God, and if I can answer your question, I believe that he doesn't stop wars because... why would he? If he stopped war like that, we wouldn't learn. He gave humans free will for a reason, and this shows how they'll be judged in the afterlife. Now, some might think that " just let them go based on their minds or something." Well, wouldn't it be nicer to let them do what they want to do in the world of the living? It might also let them change their fate. No one knows if fate is changeable. Possibly, no one will ever find out.

 

[` regret .]

@above : So your saying its nicer to let people blow the fuck out of each other rather then being a good citizen and stopping the fights? Isn't that a double standard? I'm sure if you ever had kids you wouldn't want them to do whatever they pleased. Your also saying the governments should let us do whatever the hell we want until we learn?

 

[Deleted_171835]

Uh oh.

These kind of topics never work out. Some guy of some religion and vice-versa get in an argument and next thing you know, it's a whole flame war.'

 

[` regret .]

Uh oh.

These kind of topics never work out. Some guy of some religion and vice-versa get in an argument and next thing you know, it's a whole flame war.'

. Everybody seems to disagree with the statements in the original post, I also disagree but I just wanted to see others opinions, I already stated that in the original post.

 

[mthrnite]

If you guys can keep this civil, I won't close the thread.
So avoid the temptation to call the other guy a moron, and everything should be fine.

Thank you.

 

[jgu1994]

Uh oh.

These kind of topics never work out. Some guy of some religion and vice-versa get in an argument and next thing you know, it's a whole flame war.'

Agreed. Sooner or later we're gonna get a comment from either someone who is very left wing or right wing on the religious spectrum and it's going to get blown out of proportion. This is a gaming forum not a religious forum. I vote to lock before this goes out of hand. Obviously the op has good intentions (from what i can see and compared to other religious topics i've seen) so let's just save the trouble and lock.

 

[Magmorph]

The existence of god cannot be proven or disproven, simply because theists claim he is immaterial. However attributes cannot be applied to something that is immaterial.

The evidence that supports god existing is minimal at best. There is no logical reason to believe in god even if god did exist.

 

[Gore]

I was joking.

I'm a pragmatic agnostic.

 

[mthrnite]

I was joking.

I'm a pragmatic agnostic.

I knew you were joking. Still.

 

[89star]

Well you have your opinion but try to think of it this way. would you rather have a friend that did whatever you said and loved you because they had to or would it mean more to you if that friend loved you and went through hardships for you because he wanted to. eve ate the apple when told not to and that let sin into the world god knew it was going to happen and the wars and hardships are a result of that. yea things could be perfect here on earth but i think god wants people to truly love him and believe in him meaning that you have faith without any proof and you fight the urges of your body and you sacrifice and go through hardships because you love him not because everything is perfect and you dont have any other choice i know if a friend or family member gets there ass kicked for me or suffered for my benefit it would mean the world to me and it probly means alot to god. of course dont take advice from me its just a thought. btw gbatemp owns!

 

[` regret .]

If you guys can keep this civil, I won't close the thread.
So avoid the temptation to call the other guy a moron, and everything should be fine.

Thank you.

Thanks

.

 

[Deleted_171835]

Well you have your opinion but try to think of it this way. would you rather have a friend that did whatever you said and loved you because they had to or would it mean more to you if that friend loved you and went through hardships for you because he wanted to. eve ate the apple when told not to and that let sin into the world god knew it was going to happen and the wars and hardships are a result of that. yea things could be perfect here on earth but i think god wants people to truly love him and believe in him meaning that you have faith without any proof and you fight the urges of your body and you sacrifice and go through hardships because you love him not because everything is perfect and you dont have any other choice i know if a friend or family member gets there ass kicked for me or suffered for my benefit it would mean the world to me and it probly means alot to god. of course dont take advice from me its just a thought. btw gbatemp pwndowns!

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Then again, would you like a friend who did not respect you and wanted to blow you up. If something is preventable, why not prevent it. To test us? More like, to 'cause our own extinction.

 

[` regret .]

Well you have your opinion but try to think of it this way. would you rather have a friend that did whatever you said and loved you because they had to or would it mean more to you if that friend loved you and went through hardships for you because he wanted to. eve ate the apple when told not to and that let sin into the world god knew it was going to happen and the wars and hardships are a result of that. yea things could be perfect here on earth but i think god wants people to truly love him and believe in him meaning that you have faith without any proof and you fight the urges of your body and you sacrifice and go through hardships because you love him not because everything is perfect and you dont have any other choice i know if a friend or family member gets there ass kicked for me or suffered for my benefit it would mean the world to me and it probly means alot to god. of course dont take advice from me its just a thought. btw gbatemp pwndowns!

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Then again, would you like a friend who did not respect you and wanted to blow you up. If something is preventable, why not prevent it. To test us? More like, to 'cause our own extinction.

If there is a God he/she is taking "Learn from your mistakes" a little to far.

 

[89star]

lol oh yea my web lingo sucks we are all gonna have strong opinions but we can believe whatever we want i just happen to believe that god gave us that right some christians and other religions will get huffy if you dont agree with them but at the end of the day you follow what feels right to you and share your ideas and dont try to force them i think that is what drives people away from organized religion.

 

[Uncle FEFL]

LastRegret, no matter what you say there is no valid proof for or against God. Christians, along with people from other religions all interpret God in their own way, instead of interpreting God in a universal way. Therefore, what you say to Christians may not apply to Muslims, or Jewish people (which basically believe in the same God, but this God does not have all the properties Christians think He has. In a Muslim/Islamic world, God is so strong that the human mind was MADE to not be able to understand).

This topic is entirely pointless because God is so vague to the human mind. Can God build a wall he can't bring down? Can He make a mirror He can't look through (how do you guys like that oxymoron?

)? These things we will never know until we die. And that's the point of religion, life after death. Poor people want a reason why they were born poor and other's were born rich, myself included. I want to know why only some people take the time to work instead of taking the "easy" way out and not get educated.

Also, because nearly every human being capable of thought is afraid of death, we look for something that will save us from death.

Even with this said, we still cannot prove God does not exist. It is human nature to cover up a problem that eats them emotionally from the inside out. But because of an idea like God, we cannot fully shut-out our emotions; because, what if He does exist? What if that giant spaghetti monster does exist? What if unicorns, fairies, and peace exist? I don't know. No one knows. This is something we can only "learn" after death.