PS1/2 Do modern burners/CD's make lower quality PS1 backups?

[alexfree]

Verbatim DataLifePlus can be ordered new. But are those not AZO discs with a blue surface? I have a couple of them left, but those are more difficult to read on the PS1. Even burned with a good burner they stutter more then most cheap brands.

The ATIP from those are the same as the DataLifePlus in the guide:

ATIP info from disk:
  Indicated writing power: 4
  Is not unrestricted
  Is not erasable
  Disk sub type: Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+) (3)
  ATIP start of lead in:  -11077 (97:34/23)
  ATIP start of lead out: 359848 (79:59/73)
Disk type:    Long strategy type (Cyanine, AZO or similar)
Manuf. index: 11
Manufacturer: Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation

Should I try one of these in the Plextor on 1x or 4x?

I'll try to get the TDK's from the thrift store tomorrow.

According to the list Traxdata is mid... maybe I still have a 5-pack of them left.

Philips is on the good list, but all the 48x and 52x Philips I used are Ritek.

I figured they be better then cheaper media, if you have some laying around it could be interesting. I think they can't be burned lower then 8x though, I'm pretty sure they just don't work (the older original AZO ones from the 90s have the opposite problem). Could be misremembering that. The old 90s DataLifePlus 74 minutes for sure don't work past 8x. That's why they had to change the dye formulation.

Looks like Phillips at some point cheaped out and switched from one of the best manufacturers to one of the worst for those sweet savings $$$... It's really important what the manufacturer is listed in the ATIP for sure to catch things like you did there. The supported burn speed can help date a CD-R as well. If you start seeing things like 8x compatible on the CD-R you know it's probably good.

 

[Fien]

I burned a Verbatim DataLifePlus/AZO disc at 4x. The 8x was not possible, the selectable speeds with the Plextor was only 1x, 4x, 12x and 20x.

The intro FMV of Driver stutters just like the CMC burned at 4x Maybe it's a little bit better but not significant. And the disc has a verification error at 73% on a .XA file. So it´s a coaster anyway.

 

[SylverReZ]

Porn 7x the sheer energy of this picture...

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The ATIP from those are the same as the DataLifePlus in the guide:

ATIP info from disk:
  Indicated writing power: 4
  Is not unrestricted
  Is not erasable
  Disk sub type: Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+) (3)
  ATIP start of lead in:  -11077 (97:34/23)
  ATIP start of lead out: 359848 (79:59/73)
Disk type:    Long strategy type (Cyanine, AZO or similar)
Manuf. index: 11
Manufacturer: Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation

Should I try one of these in the Plextor on 1x or 4x?

Try writing the discs at slower speeds at either 1 or 4x speed. That's one of the recommended speeds to write a CD-R disc.

Are verbatim DataLifePlus available?

The ones with AZO cyanine dye? Anything else from Verbatim are rebadged CMC discs (not pro).

 

[Fien]

Try writing the discs at slower speeds at either 1 or 4x speed. That's one of the recommended speeds to write a CD-R disc.

It's a AZO cyanine. I already wrote them at a 4x low speed in the Plextor resulting in the choppy FMV and verification error/coaster

I still have the experience that those AZO cyanine discs are more difficult to read then cheap Sony or CMC discs burned using a same good burner.


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At a thrift store I found 3 different TDK's. It looks like two types are good ones, these should be saved for good games. And one type is crap.

From the left one there where only 2 of them, I took them both and they turned out to be Mitsui's.

ATIP info from disk:
Indicated writing power: 4
Is not unrestricted
Is not erasable
Disk sub type: Medium Type C, low Beta category (C-) (6)
ATIP start of lead in:  -11567 (97:27/58)
ATIP start of lead out: 359849 (79:59/74)
Disk type:    Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar)
Manuf. index: 12
Manufacturer: Mitsui Chemicals, Inc.

The middle ones have a TDK media code. I didn't know if it was good ones so I left 2 or 3 of them in the store.

ATIP info from disk:
Indicated writing power: 5
Is not unrestricted
Is not erasable
Disk sub type: Medium Type B, low Beta category (B-) (4)
ATIP start of lead in: -12520 (97:15/05)
ATIP start of lead out: 359849 (79:59/74)
Disk type:    Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar)
Manuf. index: 26
Manufacturer: TDK Corporation

And the right one I only took one and left the rest because I was afraid it's Moser Baer crap which the PS1 really didn't like. The back said "(c) 2010 Made in India". And I was right... Moser Baer...

ATIP info from disk:
Indicated writing power: 5
Is not unrestricted
Is not erasable
Disk sub type: Medium Type B, low Beta category (B-) (4)
ATIP start of lead in:  -12369 (97:17/06)
ATIP start of lead out: 359849 (79:59/74)
Disk type:    Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar)
Manuf. index: 69
Manufacturer: Moser Baer India Limited

There is also a Traxdata and a Maxell which are Ritek's and a Emtec which is a CMC.

 

[alexfree]

It's a AZO cyanine. I already wrote them at a 4x low speed in the Plextor resulting in the choppy FMV and verification error/coaster

I still have the experience that those AZO cyanine discs are more difficult to read then cheap Sony or CMC discs burned using a same good burner.


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At a thrift store I found 3 different TDK's. It looks like two types are good ones, these should be saved for good games. And one type is crap.

From the left one there where only 2 of them, I took them both and they turned out to be Mitsui's.

ATIP info from disk:
Indicated writing power: 4
Is not unrestricted
Is not erasable
Disk sub type: Medium Type C, low Beta category (C-) (6)
ATIP start of lead in:  -11567 (97:27/58)
ATIP start of lead out: 359849 (79:59/74)
Disk type:    Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar)
Manuf. index: 12
Manufacturer: Mitsui Chemicals, Inc.

The middle ones have a TDK media code. I didn't know if it was good ones so I left 2 or 3 of them in the store.

ATIP info from disk:
Indicated writing power: 5
Is not unrestricted
Is not erasable
Disk sub type: Medium Type B, low Beta category (B-) (4)
ATIP start of lead in: -12520 (97:15/05)
ATIP start of lead out: 359849 (79:59/74)
Disk type:    Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar)
Manuf. index: 26
Manufacturer: TDK Corporation

And the right one I only took one and left the rest because I was afraid it's Moser Baer crap which the PS1 really didn't like. The back said "(c) 2010 Made in India". And I was right... Moser Baer...

ATIP info from disk:
Indicated writing power: 5
Is not unrestricted
Is not erasable
Disk sub type: Medium Type B, low Beta category (B-) (4)
ATIP start of lead in:  -12369 (97:17/06)
ATIP start of lead out: 359849 (79:59/74)
Disk type:    Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar)
Manuf. index: 69
Manufacturer: Moser Baer India Limited

There is also a Traxdata and a Maxell which are Ritek's and a Emtec which is a CMC.

Excited about those pick ups!

 

[ShaunD]

Hey guys, I'm testing out a few drives at the moment to see how good they are. Apart from the Physical tests i.e testing if the FMV jumps and burning at x1, x4 or max, what other tests can I do on the computer to see how good it is? Thanks

 

[mchopt]

Hey guys, I'm testing out a few drives at the moment to see how good they are. Apart from the Physical tests i.e testing if the FMV jumps and burning at x1, x4 or max, what other tests can I do on the computer to see how good it is? Thanks

FYI I burned some old 1-4x media in a newer sata H&L burner, and while the disc was recognized and burned, it was not readable in any drive afterward. Unfortunately my burners' slowest CD burn speed is 12x.

 

[Ichisuke]

Where can I buy CMC Pro cds in Europe? I can only find UK sellers from ebay and the shipping costs are absurd (plus custom fees)...

 

[SylverReZ]

Where can I buy CMC Pro cds in Europe? I can only find UK sellers from ebay and the shipping costs are absurd (plus custom fees)...

eBay perhaps or maybe buy Verbatim AZO-dye CD-Rs.

 

[wolffangalchemist]

Going to test these two sony 650mb cd-r i found sealed for 99 cent each on my ihas124b later this week, I though they where ruined but the mysterious staining wipes off with a little isopropyl, going to see if they are still usable.

 

[Fien]

Test play it on a SCPH-55xx or older if you have one

 

[alexfree]

Interesting find: My SCPH-90001 PS2 refuses to read discs burned at 4x. Makes a bunch of scary noises with the disc in the drive (that would otherwise work fine on my PS1s). 8x works perfectly normal on the 90001 PS2.

 

[Armadillo]

Interesting find: My SCPH-90001 PS2 refuses to read discs burned at 4x. Makes a bunch of scary noises with the disc in the drive (that would otherwise work fine on my PS1s). 8x works perfectly normal on the 90001 PS2.

Not ps2, but that's not that surprising to me.

Back in the 360 days, once Verbatim started pushing higher speeds on their dual layer discs, I had to start burning at a higher speed (original discs were only rated for x2, later discs were x8). x2 forced on a higher rated disc would give me open tray or skipping and weird noises.

Lower=always better has always been a questionable rule.

 

[SylverReZ]

Ricoh 650MB CD-Rs.

PLEXTOR CD-R   PX-W4012A 1.07 (USB)
Current Profile: CD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 258,137
Size: 528,664,576 bytes
Time: 57:23:62 (MM:SS:FF)
MID: 97m27s66f (Ricoh Co.)

TOC Information:
Session 1... (LBA: 0 / 00:02:00)
-> Track 01  (Mode 2, Form 1, LBA: 0 / 00:02:00)
-> Track 02  (Audio, 03:03:30, LBA: 59253 / 13:12:03)
-> Track 03  (Audio, 03:00:10, LBA: 73008 / 16:15:33)
-> Track 04  (Audio, 02:32:44, LBA: 86518 / 19:15:43)
-> Track 05  (Audio, 02:54:06, LBA: 97962 / 21:48:12)
-> Track 06  (Audio, 02:51:51, LBA: 111018 / 24:42:18)
-> Track 07  (Audio, 03:00:13, LBA: 123894 / 27:33:69)
-> Track 08  (Audio, 02:49:18, LBA: 137407 / 30:34:07)
-> Track 09  (Audio, 02:50:19, LBA: 150100 / 33:23:25)
-> Track 10  (Audio, 02:50:57, LBA: 162869 / 36:13:44)
-> Track 11  (Audio, 01:38:05, LBA: 175676 / 39:04:26)
-> Track 12  (Audio, 01:41:23, LBA: 183031 / 40:42:31)
-> Track 13  (Audio, 02:52:42, LBA: 190629 / 42:23:54)
-> Track 14  (Audio, 03:04:20, LBA: 203571 / 45:16:21)
-> Track 15  (Audio, 03:01:35, LBA: 217391 / 48:20:41)
-> Track 16  (Audio, 03:02:26, LBA: 231001 / 51:22:01)
-> Track 17  (Audio, 02:59:35, LBA: 244677 / 54:24:27)
-> LeadOut  (LBA: 258137 / 57:23:62)

ATIP Information:
Disc ID: 97m27s66f
Manufacturer: Ricoh Co.
Start Time of LeadIn: 97m27s66f
Last Possible Start Time of LeadOut: 74m12s00f

 

[SylverReZ]

Also don't think I've linked this here yet https://github.com/alex-free/libcrypt-patcher Rest in pieces CloneCD!

If you want the best version of CloneCD, go for v4.0.13. This was before Elaborate Bytes was bought out by Redfox in something like 2006 due to EU regulations.

 

[ShaunD]

Does using Ide Sata To Usb Adapter for an old Ide cd burner burn the discs as they should? or is it best to connect it directly inside the PC itself? Thanks

 

[Fien]

As long as the software supports it, a adapter will not matter. A burner burns the same with and without a adapter if you use the same software.

 

[SylverReZ]

Does using Ide Sata To Usb Adapter for an old Ide cd burner burn the discs as they should? or is it best to connect it directly inside the PC itself? Thanks

What type of brand does your IDE/SATA to USB adapter have?

As long as it's got enough power required for the drive (usually +12V) it should work just fine. Keep in mind that there are Chinese adapters that do not perform well with disc drives. You're better off using a machine that has those necessary connectors and drive bays.

 

[edgii]

i have my curiosities about these
https://www.amazon.com/Vinpower-Digital-700MB-Recordable-Media/dp/B0BB91RCTC
as far as i can tell the plextools screenshot is actually legitimate (they have one on every product page however it does seem to be meant to represent the product, the lower quality plexdisc media has a different one that reports optodisc)
assuming they are genuinely manufactured to ty standards could be a decent cheaper alternative
i suppose i can buy some myself and if they aren't any good, well 20 dollars for 100 coasters isn't bad

what i *do* know is that way back when these were actually just rebadged verbatim datalifeplus so the chance of them being not terrible is atleast decent (they absolutely are not AZO anymore though)
i also know the plexdisc ty series exists which afaik is similar to the cmc pro line (plexdisc and vinpower digital are both brands of optodisc i believe)

edit: of course no matter what the ATIP says there's always the chance of worse media than even Ritek garbage, i'm only really curious because of lack of information on these discs

 

[master801]

i have my curiosities about these
https://www.amazon.com/Vinpower-Digital-700MB-Recordable-Media/dp/B0BB91RCTC
as far as i can tell the plextools screenshot is actually legitimate (they have one on every product page however it does seem to be meant to represent the product, the lower quality plexdisc media has a different one that reports optodisc)
assuming they are genuinely manufactured to ty standards could be a decent cheaper alternative
i suppose i can buy some myself and if they aren't any good, well 20 dollars for 100 coasters isn't bad

what i *do* know is that way back when these were actually just rebadged verbatim datalifeplus so the chance of them being not terrible is atleast decent (they absolutely are not AZO anymore though)
i also know the plexdisc ty series exists which afaik is similar to the cmc pro line (plexdisc and vinpower digital are both brands of optodisc i believe)

edit: of course no matter what the ATIP says there's always the chance of worse media than even Ritek garbage, i'm only really curious because of lack of information on these discs

Verbatim sold out to CMC.

If you do some research, Verbatim, along with the longest, and best quality discs, Taiyo-Yudenb sold their division out to them.

Now made in Taiwan. Not saying it's bad or anything, but questions appear when the consumer market dies.

And by the way, I've burned on cheap Memorex DVD-Rs, and didn't have many problems - aside from an improper disc drive.