Covid-19 vaccine

[Lacius]

In all fairness, it's hard to oppose a measure like this - young children are not cleared for vaccination as of yet and are liable to be carriers, even if their symptoms are very benign and mortality is fairly low. It's rather uncomfortable for kids who like to fidget, but we've all been uncomfortable for a year now, I think they can take it.

This is true, but the problem is exacerbated by all of the figurative children who won't get vaccinated.

The broader problem is mask mandates are likely to return soon for everyone. Mask mandates returned in my area recently, for example.

 

[Foxi4]

This is true, but the problem is exacerbated by all of the figurative children who won't get vaccinated.

The broader problem is mask mandates are likely to return soon for everyone. Mask mandates returned in my area recently, for example.

Ours sadly never went away - definitely not a pleasant experience for my poor nose, but what can you do. I err on the side of safety, as much as I'd like masks to go away for good. It's a process, eventually they will, and people should act like grown-ups about it instead of making a stand to literally die on a hill the size of an ant hill. Good personal hygiene, high sanitisation standards and masks are the least we can do - we won't "stop the spread" no matter what, but we can certainly reduce it as much as possible until the population is vaccinated to a satisfactory degree.

 

[Deleted User]

Oh, I've made a conscious decision not to engage with Mr.Bad Math a long time ago since conversations with him are a lot like playing tennis with a brick wall - the ball is bouncing back and forth, but in reality you're just talking with yourself over and over. I'm more than happy to ingest any presented evidence and draw new conclusions from it, but I'm not keen on repeating myself for no reason - it's rather exhausting, and doesn't forward the conversation. I'm not entirely sure why you specifically have an issue with what I've been saying so far considering we seem to be in agreement on the requirement of peer review, which is where this conversation started. As for the various adjectives you have to offer, I'll add "pompous" to my long list of titles.

2+2=4 is based off white supreme pizza math that you are using, only their 2021 science logic to justify the "vaccine timeline impossible" to "vaccine is here and perfect" is being filtered past the thick wool covering their eyes. Hope that doesn't get deleted - wording carefully.

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Ours sadly never went away - definitely not a pleasant experience for my poor nose, but what can you do. I err on the side of safety, as much as I'd like masks to go away for good. It's a process, eventually they will, and people should act like grown-ups about it instead of making a stand to literally die on a hill the size of an ant hill. Good personal hygiene, high sanitisation standards and masks are the least we can do - we won't "stop the spread" no matter what, but we can certainly reduce it as much as possible until the population is vaccinated to a satisfactory degree.

They will never be satisficed w/ vaccination rate. Same people who defend Cuomo / rules for thee not for me types putting Covid patients in nursing homes bc they tow their party line - which is why I can never identify as either, since they both do things that are wrong and always will. The PC climate here is hard to explain, these people literally think its normal to change your species every hour, not a mental problem. I'm a biggity biggot for pointing that out too to these people who hate anyone who believes in spirituality. "I'm a Jew" means 'orthodox Jew' and zealot apparently.

Pardon us for holding on to any parts of our identity after our relatives were almost erased off the planet.

 

[Dakitten]

2+2=4 is based off white supreme pizza math that you are using, only their 2021 science logic to justify the "vaccine timeline impossible" to "vaccine is here and perfect" is being filtered past the thick wool covering their eyes. Hope that doesn't get deleted - wording carefully.

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They will never be satisficed w/ vaccination rate. Same people who defend Cuomo / rules for thee not for me types putting Covid patients in nursing homes bc they tow their party line - which is why I can never identify as either, since they both do things that are wrong and always will. The PC climate here is hard to explain, these people literally think its normal to change your species every hour, not a mental problem. I'm a biggity biggot for pointing that out too to these people who hate anyone who believes in spirituality. "I'm a Jew" means 'orthodox Jew' and zealot apparently.

Pardon us for holding on to any parts of our identity after our relatives were almost erased off the planet.

Okay, full stop seriousness, comrade. I think you're misusing the quote tool. All your quotes are showing up from Foxi4, as I suspect you're trying to quote him quoting me? Quoting doesn't work like that, you gotta use the base post for quoting.

That being said, you're right about something here! It is likely that sensible people won't ever be satisfied with the vaccination rate, because EVERYONE WHO CAN SHOULD GET VACCINATED! Those who don't are being incredibly unkind to those who can't get the vaccination, and perpetuate the chance for the virus to mutate in a why which bypasses the vaccine's effectiveness. Tests and now experience has shown that the vaccine has limited side effects and both limits infection and injury from those who suffer a breakthrough. There's just not really any excuse, except for temper tantrum having fools hugging a flag and praising freedom for saving them from social responsibility.

Also, you're the one who brought up (in a nearly unintelligible rambling of posts) not just a hatred of CRT and BLM, but also abortion rates before whitesplaining MLK. If that doesn't scream strong religious leanings and anti black sentiments, I don't know what does. Also also, your math comparison probably would have worked better with 2+2=5, but it also runs on the assumption that I am both white and a bigot, which is information I haven't volunteered anywhere but in your own headspace. Spoilers: I'm not the girl in my avatar, I'm actually the cat.

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Honest.

 

[Foxi4]

EVERYONE WHO CAN SHOULD GET VACCINATED!

That's one thing we can certainly agree on - I come from a country with various mandatory vaccines and besides the snake tongue and the venom for blood I haven't noticed any side effects. On a more serious note, I try to make concessions in terms of refusals - I don't like to attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by ignorance. Fact of the matter is that 90%+ of hospitalisations we're seeing now are unvaccinated patients, that speaks volumes about the effectiveness of the shots, and the risks involved with refusing them. With that being said, there is a contingent of people who cannot be convinced and will always choose the rather high risk of catching the disease over the miniscule risk of vaccine injury, and they're at liberty to do so.

The approach that maximises vaccination rates without sacrificing liberty is to speak the truth about vaccinations and try to convince those who are hesitant. Ideally we'd also see vaccination centers offering a choice between the conventional and the mRNA vaccine as well, since that is a large point of contention, and a matter of preference. As the saying goes, you can drag a horse to water, but you can't make it drink - it's their choice. This leniency does introduce the possibility of further mutations and new variants, which is regrettable, but to me unavoidable - I don't want to give the government a mandate to force people to undergo medical procedures, no matter how necessary they are.

It cannot be stressed enough that the majority of severe COVID cases involve unvaccinated patients, and it's almost entirely avoidable. Attacking people by suggesting that their actions are immoral, or that they're unkind, or stupid, will not change anyone's mind on the matter - talking about things honestly does, which is a goal that supercedes subjective feelings in regards to vaccine opponents. It's a simple elective procedure that can protect you from falling ill or harming your family and friends - that's a good enough selling point to convince most.

 

[Deleted User]

Okay, full stop seriousness.. Quoting doesn't work like that, you gotta use the base post for quoting.
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That being said, you're right about something here! It is likely that sensible people won't ever be satisfied with the vaccination rate, because EVERYONE WHO CAN SHOULD GET VACCINATED!
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There's just not really any excuse, except for temper tantrum having fools hugging a flag and praising freedom for saving them from social responsibility.
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brought up abortion
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whitesplaining MLK.

I'm disabled so I'm somewhat limited in my typing capacity, I admit to crimes against quote system though unintentional.

Nuff said. You are a racist if you embrace CRT by definition if you believe in it. I worked in Baltimore City and met *gasp* human beings with darker skin. Dismiss who people surround themselves w/ all you want, but it seems white people hate white people more than anyone else, by far.

Arab slave trade didn't end until 1990. I'm sure you knew that.

Slaves were sold off by African Kings who wanted money. Creed caused transatlantic slavery - you think people were caught in fishing nets or something en masse? You really sound like someone who would embrace CRT as you seem to think other humans to be not as capable as you.

You are free to leave the country if you don't like the rights given to citizens. The only group telling people what to do and what not to do is: the left.

Would you rather MLK quotes? Nothing in your ideology is compatible.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

White supremacy clearly the problem.

 

[Lacius]

Biden to require vaccinations for federal employees

"President Joe Biden will announce on Thursday a requirement that all federal employees and contractors be vaccinated against Covid-19, or be required to submit to regular testing and mitigation requirements, according to a source with direct knowledge of the matter.

The announcement will come in remarks where Biden is also expected to lay out a series of new steps, including incentives, in an attempt to spur new vaccinations as the Delta variant spreads rapidly throughout the country. It will also follow the decision by the Department of Veterans Affairs to require its frontline health care workers to be vaccinated over the course of the next two months."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/27/poli...eral-employees-under-consideration/index.html

 

[Valwinz]

the vaccine is not working? i just got out of the ER

How funny so many people left the ER and the EXACT same thing happened 🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️😂😂 pic.twitter.com/aKQjyiZTSG

— leilani dowding 🌸🚜 ☮️ (@LeilaniDowding) July 27, 2021

 

[djpannda]

the vaccine is not working? i just got out of the ER
https://twitter.com/LeilaniDowding/status/1420057084369022979

Lol you do realize A. There dups in the picture B. And fake tweets as I don’t being most white nationalist Nick Fuente’s “Groypers “got the vaccine

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Oh look Here one of the account you wanted to show off.. it just Antivaxx propaganda


there’s another one .. I don’t think they would be following and quoting Catturd2..

 

[djpannda]

Last one .

this ones is a troll mocking the Dr who made the original tweet

.. I want to say @Valwinz was trolling but I honestly believe he though it was real...

 

[tabzer]

djpannda solved the mystery. He single-handedly debunked the existence of Twitter bots.

I'm impressed.

By the way. Did you see this reputable, and very accomplished, doctor voice his opinion?

*Snip!*

 

[Alexander1970]

EU signs contract for CoV drug

The EU Commission has signed a framework contract with pharmaceutical company GlaxoSmithKline to procure a drug against coronavirus. Sixteen EU countries are participating in the tender to buy the drug, sotrovimab, for an expected 220,000 treatments, the Brussels-based agency said today.

The drug is currently under review by the European Medicines Agency (EMA). It can reportedly be used to treat mild symptoms.

Patients who did not require supplemental oxygen but were at high risk for a severe covid 19 course could benefit from the treatment. Ongoing studies suggested that early treatment could reduce the number of hospitalizations or even intensive care unit stays needed.

Under the deal, EU countries can acquire sotrovimab once it has received either emergency approval in the country concerned or conditional marketing authorization from the EMA.

The EU Commission previously announced in late June that it was eyeing five promising CoV drugs, including sotrovimab. Four of the drugs contain monoclonal antibodies. These are produced in the laboratory and are designed to disable the virus after infection. Another drug, called Olumiant, reduces the activity of the immune system and is actually supposed to help with rheumatism. The hope is that the anti-inflammatory effect will also help with severe covid-19.

https://ec.europa.eu/germany/news/20210728-medikamente-covid-19_de

 

[tabzer]

They are all contracts. The pandemic was a contract. CDC was "damage control" for the dumb deal. Fauci lead with his flip flopping "Jedi mind tricks".

 

[Foxi4]

I don't know why people are opposed to the notion that sowing COVID panic is an excellent idea (in tactical terms) and that literally every single hostile foreign power would do it to destabilise the country. You guys were first in line to point out every single "Russian Troll" or "Bot" on Twitter during the election, but now the same shtick is falling on deaf ears - I wouldn't ignore it so readily. I'm confident that some trolls are jumping on the bandwagon because they get their jollies from causing chaos and disruption, but the sheer number of those tweets is concerning, especially since it's not reflected by data. It very well might be a concerted effort to keep everyone fearful. Hospitalizations and deaths from COVID are not "crushing us", the virus affects primarily the unvaccinated population and the numbers will keep falling as vaccination rates increase. There's a spike in hospitalizations, but treatments methods have greatly improved since January, so we'll have to wait and see if they translate into a spike in deaths as well (since that's always delayed). So far this hasn't happened (graphs below), which is good. Long story short, don't panic and get your shot whenever you can.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

 

[tabzer]

I don't know why people are opposed to the idea that sowing COVID panic is an excellent idea that literally every single hostile foreign power would use to destabilise the country. You guys were first in line to point out every single "Russian Troll" or "Bot" on Twitter during the election, but now the same shtick is falling on deaf ears - I wouldn't ignore it so readily. I'm confident that some trolls are jumping on the bandwagon because they get their jollies from causing chaos and disruption, but the sheer number of those tweets is concerning, especially since it's not reflected by data. It very well might be a concerted effort to keep everyone fearful. Hospitalizations and deaths from COVID are not "crushing us", the virus affects primarily the unvaccinated population and the numbers will keep falling as vaccination rates increase. There's a spike in hospitalizations, but treatments methods have greatly improved since January, so we'll have to wait and see if they translate into a spike in deaths as well (since that's always delayed). So far this hasn't happened (graphs below), which is good. Long story short, don't panic and get your shot whenever you can.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

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Just like that @Foxi4 became center.

 

[Foxi4]

Just like that @Foxi4 became center.

Hey, no need to insult me.

The virus should've never been politicised - it's not a left or right matter, it's a going forward matter. We have a century of research to prove that vaccination is effective, we also know how viruses work and how to properly contain pandemics. All we have to do is get along for a while and once it's manageable, we can get back to arguing about guns and taxes like we're supposed to.

 

[tabzer]

Hey, no need to insult me.
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The virus should've never been politicised - it's not a left or right matter, it's a going forward matter. We have a century of research to prove that vaccination is effective, we also know how viruses work and how to properly contain pandemics. All we have to do is get along for a while and once it's manageable, we can get back to arguing about guns and taxes like we're supposed to.

upvoted because of meme.

Classifying mRNA circumvention injections as the same as autism causing vaccines, though. They are sciences apart.

 

[SG854]

upvoted because of meme.

Classifying mRNA circumvention injections as the same as autism causing vaccines, though. They are sciences apart.

Foxi4 bases his opinions on facts and science not on political party. The fact that I can predict how some people opinions will be based on political parties they aline with is ridiculous and means they don't think for themselves.


No it is not science what your doing. You have no idea how science works. You have no idea how to properly interpret science. That's why you are in the position you are. You think you do, but no. It's the perfect example of the Dunning Kruger effect.


When you have Lacius and foxi4 who are the better arguers on this site at defending their positions, and constantly opposed on many issues, agree with each other on the vaccine you know you've done fucked up.


The amount of stupidity on this topic amazes me. Can't believe people can be this stupid.

 

[scroeffie1984]

Logic 2.4
• You must get vaccinated to protect the others.
• Which others?
• The elderly and those at risk.
• But those people have already been vaccinated, so they are protected.
• Yes, but it is not because they are vaccinated that the virus cannot be transmitted.
• Ah, so the vaccine isn't efficient?
• Yes, it prevents serious cases.
• But haven't those who can contract serious forms already been vaccinated?
• Yes, but as long as not everyone is vaccinated, we cannot achieve herd immunity.
• Why is this herd immunity so important?
• To protect the weak.
• But the weaker ones have already been vaccinated.
• Yes, but you are an egoist.
• Why am I an egoist?
• Because you refuse vaccination and endanger the lives of others, you can infect them!
• But I'm not sick.
• But you can still infect others!
• Which others?
• The risk groups!
• But they are vaccinated!!!
• Yes, but if you refuse the vaccine we cannot return to normal life.
• And why can't we return to normal life?
• Because there is a risk that the virus will flare up again.
• Quite possible, but with a disease that offers 99.8% survival chances I have nothing to fear!
• But you are a selfish person, you do not think about the others who are seriously ill and need to be resuscitated!
• Yes, but they have already been vaccinated!
• Yes, but as long as there is a risk we cannot go back to normal life!
• What risk do you mean?
• For the weak.
• They have been vaccinated.
• But I'm tired of it! I want to be able to go to restaurants, travel, party!
• That's not a health reason, is it?
• That doesn't matter! Everyone should be vaccinated! In addition, the vaccine is free.
• For free? Nope. WE pay the vaccine from OUR taxes! The vaccine is NOT free!

 

[Lacius]

Logic 2.4
• You must get vaccinated to protect the others.
• Which others?
• The elderly and those at risk.
• But those people have already been vaccinated, so they are protected.
• Yes, but it is not because they are vaccinated that the virus cannot be transmitted.
• Ah, so the vaccine isn't efficient?
• Yes, it prevents serious cases.
• But haven't those who can contract serious forms already been vaccinated?
• Yes, but as long as not everyone is vaccinated, we cannot achieve herd immunity.
• Why is this herd immunity so important?
• To protect the weak.
• But the weaker ones have already been vaccinated.
• Yes, but you are an egoist.
• Why am I an egoist?
• Because you refuse vaccination and endanger the lives of others, you can infect them!
• But I'm not sick.
• But you can still infect others!
• Which others?
• The risk groups!
• But they are vaccinated!!!
• Yes, but if you refuse the vaccine we cannot return to normal life.
• And why can't we return to normal life?
• Because there is a risk that the virus will flare up again.
• Quite possible, but with a disease that offers 99.8% survival chances I have nothing to fear!
• But you are a selfish person, you do not think about the others who are seriously ill and need to be resuscitated!
• Yes, but they have already been vaccinated!
• Yes, but as long as there is a risk we cannot go back to normal life!
• What risk do you mean?
• For the weak.
• They have been vaccinated.
• But I'm tired of it! I want to be able to go to restaurants, travel, party!
• That's not a health reason, is it?
• That doesn't matter! Everyone should be vaccinated! In addition, the vaccine is free.
• For free? Nope. WE pay the vaccine from OUR taxes! The vaccine is NOT free!

1. Not everybody who can die of the disease is vaccinated. Approximately 300 Americans are dying from the disease each day, and the vast majority of them (>99%) are unvaccinated.
2. The more people who are unvaccinated, the more the disease spreads unchecked among the unvaccinated. The more the disease is spreading, the more likely it is there will be breakthrough infections among those who are vaccinated too.
3. The more the disease spreads, the more likely it is new variants will pop up that are more infectious, more deadly, and/or make the vaccines less effective.