Covid-19 vaccine

[tabzer]

That thing has been debunked several times in this thread already, get lost tabzer.

No it hasn't. Tell me which American served vaccine has more deathrate/side effects ratio than the current one, for starters. In the video, he clearly refers to vaccination history of America--not leaving it open to things like lethal injection via death penalty.

It's things like that which show how disengenious the "debunks" are, and it's stupid. "Fact checker" aka, same old news media rebranded to sound like they have more integrity than ever before, misquotes someone in order to smear them. Then people like Lacius further botch the quotes and remove more context to make it sound even dumber. How stupid it sounds is mainly an attribute of what Lacius posts, not the original source.

Also, it's interesting that there is no refutation to the malfeasance claimed of the institutions that @Lacius is propping.

https://archive.md/9lG0l

The video doesn't play unless you copy and paste the link listed in the description. (The rumble link) It's really a great watch and I recommend everyone to watch it. It has convinced me to be anti-covid vaccination. Everyone should follow this doctor's example. All of your claims against him (false claims, misleading claims, and the true non-contextual claims) make sense after watching this video.

 

[Lacius]

@tabzer This cardiologist's meanderings have been debunked. Some highlights can be found in one of my previous posts:

• Fact: This cardiologist incorrectly stated that the vaccines have caused thousands of deaths and hospitalizations.
• Fact: This cardiologist incorrectly, and hyperbolically, stated that the vaccines are "the most lethal toxic biologic agent ever injected into a human body in American history."
• Fact: This cardiologist incorrectly stated that natural immunity from COVID-19 is "way better" than getting the COVID-19 vaccine.
• Fact: This cardiologist incorrectly stated COVID-19 survivors "can’t get the virus," so they don’t need to be vaccinated.
• Fact: This cardiologist incorrectly stated the vaccines' spike proteins "damage blood vessels and causes blood clotting."
• Fact: This cardiologist incorrectly stated that the vaccines haven't been tested for safety and efficacy.
• Fact: This cardiologist incorrectly stated that these vaccines might cause one to be "marked in a database and this can be used for trade, for commerce, for behavior modification, all different purposes."

In summary, this cardiologist is peddling anti-vax bullshit about the vaccines being unsafe when they're not, and he's suggesting people should not get vaccinated. He's clearly supporting risking COVID-19 contraction over vaccination, and the advice is as dangerous as it is stupid. He is also clearly peddling the debunked nonsense, as the political right has done over the last year and a half, that young people would be better off contracting the virus and developing natural immunity.

1. Natural immunity to COVID-19 comes with all of the serious risks associated with contracting COVID-19, including but not limited to mild symptoms, moderate symptoms, long-term effects, severe symptoms, hospitalization, and death.
2. Even if you are young and healthy, the risk of serious effects from COVID-19 are far more likely and far more dangerous than anything from the COVID-19 vaccines.
3. Natural immunity from having COVID-19 also means you are spreading the disease to other people while you have it. There is no risk of spreading COVID-19 as a direct result of being vaccinated.
4. 30% of children who are contracting COVID-19 are developing "long-haul COVID-19," and they're contracting COVID-19 overwhelmingly from people who willfully choose not to get vaccinated.
5. We have data regarding how long immunity lasts as a result of getting vaccinated. The data regarding how long natural immunity lasts is less clear.
6. At the very least, immunity for vaccination has a lot less variability than natural immunity.
7. We know that, regardless of whether or not a person develops natural immunity from COVID-19, a person is likely to develop better and longer-lasting immunity after a COVID-19 vaccine than anything else if that person has already had COVID-19.

I agree with you that our conversation has probably run its course, but you probably shouldn't be spamming the thread with the same copy/pasted stock response, and if you are going to share a link to video filled with debunked pseudoscientific nonsense, please don't quote my old post to do it, particularly without the context of the rest of my post. I don't need the alert, and I don't want to be associated with it. Thank you.

 

[SG854]

Covid cases doubled in the past few weeks. Covid cases some are younger people getting sicker, spike has been going up all because people refuse to get the vaccine especially with the new delta variant. It's mostly hitting uncacinated people. Surgeon General saying everyone of us has the power to make a difference lives are depending on it. Basically been saying what lacius has been saying that it's a moral imperative to get the vaccine.

 

[tabzer]

if you are going to share a link to video filled with debunked pseudoscientific nonsense, please don't quote my old post to do it, particularly without the context of the rest of my post. I don't need the alert, and I don't want to be associated with it.

The quote that you are contesting seems to be this:

https://archive.md/9lG0l

Ironic that you are upset that it doesn't "include context", yet it's so easy to do when you choose to smear someone.

Anyway, the quote does include a direct link to the post of where it came from and the context. By clicking the arrow, it takes you right to it, without obfuscation. I share the link with people who rely on your claims that it has been debunked so that they can see how the source contradicts your mis-application of context, your insertion of desired context, and intentional mischaracterizing of the doctor. It isn't intend to be a form of harassment or spam. It is a link straight to the "horse's mouth" in response to people making claims about content that they demonstrate a lack awareness of--with your full support.

I would encourage those, who are interested, to read my previous post in which I outline the malicious game of telephone that you are playing and the inevitable corrupted message that you output.

But more importantly, listen to the doctor before relying on irresponsible and malicious claims about the doctor.

Go to the link Lacius supplied, and then find the rumble url in the description. Clicking it doesn't work, because it has been re-coded to another archive link that doesn't include the video. You have to copy/paste the actual URL. It's a little funny as I asked for a source, but it appears that Lacius didn't want it to be easily accessible--so the best he could do is a picture of a video?

 

[WiiCurious]

spike proteins would be part of the vaccine when they are not, not for the mRNA ones anyway, and AstraZeneca is a mRNA vaccine

AZ is not an mRNA vaccine.

Do some research before posting.

 

[Lacius]

The quote that you are contesting seems to be this:



Ironic that you are upset that it doesn't "include context", yet it's so easy to do when you choose to smear someone.

Anyway, the quote does include a direct link to the post of where it came from and the context. By clicking the arrow, it takes you right to it, without obfuscation. I share the link with people who rely on your claims that it has been debunked so that they can see how the source contradicts your mis-application of context, your insertion of desired context, and intentional mischaracterizing of the doctor. It isn't intend to be a form of harassment or spam. It is a link straight to the "horse's mouth" in response to people making claims about content that they demonstrate a lack awareness of--with your full support.

I would encourage those, who are interested, to read my previous post in which I outline the malicious game of telephone that you are playing and the inevitable corrupted message that you output.

But more importantly, listen to the doctor before relying on irresponsible and malicious claims about the doctor.

Go to the link Lacius supplied, and then find the rumble url in the description. Clicking it doesn't work, because it has been re-coded to another archive link that doesn't include the video. You have to copy/paste the actual URL. It's a little funny as I asked for a source, but it appears that Lacius didn't want it to be easily accessible--so the best he could do is a picture of a video?

If you want to share that link, do it without quoting me. If you have problems with the link, post a different one when you want to reference the video. You asked me for where this cardiologist idiotically said the COVID-19 vaccines are the most toxic thing injected into our bodies in American history, and I've provided it. If you have something to say in response to this post or a previous post where I explained what he got horribly wrong, respond to those posts.

The video includes information that has been debunked. If you want to talk about how it hasn't been debunked, please explain what I got wrong, how I got it wrong, and provide sources. Otherwise, there probably isn't any reason to quote or tag me.

 

[jimbo13]

This thread: There are no vax concerns/detractors in the medical community and if they are they are quacks & wrong. Now I am going to say debunked 50 more times.

I am going to be taking my Doctors advice, when I asked if he was taking it he laughed and said, "Fuck no."

 

[linuxares]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/polio.html

A good method how to kill a virus. Yes, it's the same as COVID-19. A virus that spread via droplets. The vaccine killed it off from most of the world. The more that get vaccinated against covid-19 with proven working vaccines (Sinovac isn't proven to be good or bad yet) we will be fine in time. I don't like people arguing with "my feelings" when it comes to a dangerous virus.

The swine flue and bird flue wasn't a global pandemic that force lockdowns in the same way.
Swine flu was easy to transmit but the deadly outcome was super low, hench why countries didn't all close the doors.
Bird flu was mostly between birds and very few wild ones. It was mostly between poultry locally. So whole farms got all birds removed and killed.

COVID-19 spreads super fast, very deadly and is very hard to detect from a normal flu.

Oh... You know why some vaccines are mandatory? When people are so dangerous to society that government must go in to protect the people from themselves and the society as a whole.

 

[Xzi]

I am going to be taking my Doctors advice, when I asked if he was taking it he laughed and said, "Fuck no."

The voices in your head didn't finish medical school Jimbo, sorry.

 

[Lacius]

This thread: There are no vax concerns/detractors in the medical community and if they are they are quacks & wrong. Now I am going to say debunked 50 more times.

I am going to be taking my Doctors advice, when I asked if he was taking it he laughed and said, "Fuck no."

There are very few anti-vaxxers in the medical community. The science of vaccines is sound, and the COVID-19 vaccines have been demonstrated to be safe and effective. Approximately 96% of American doctors have received the vaccine. Those in the medical community who are anti-vax are indeed "quacks."

If your doctor is saying "fuck no" to you getting an important vaccination, and there isn't a medical reason why you shouldn't, you should probably get a new doctor. Saying "fuck no" to the vaccine is contrary to the medical science.

 

[jimbo13]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/polio.html

A good method how to kill a virus. Yes, it's the same as COVID-19. A virus that spread via droplets. The vaccine killed it off from most of the world. The more that get vaccinated against covid-19 with proven working vaccines (Sinovac isn't proven to be good or bad yet) we will be fine in time. I don't like people arguing with "my feelings" when it comes to a dangerous virus.

The swine flue and bird flue wasn't a global pandemic that force lockdowns in the same way.
Swine flu was easy to transmit but the deadly outcome was super low, hench why countries didn't all close the doors.
Bird flu was mostly between birds and very few wild ones. It was mostly between poultry locally. So whole farms got all birds removed and killed.

COVID-19 spreads super fast, very deadly and is very hard to detect from a normal flu.

Oh... You know why some vaccines are mandatory? When people are so dangerous to society that government must go in to protect the people from themselves and the society as a whole.

I do not what the law is in Sweden but mandatory Vaccines are a violation of the Hippocratic oath and The Declaration of Geneva (Physician’s Oath) adopted by the General Assembly of the World Medical Association at Geneva in 1948.

Any medical procedure without informed consent is a violation of human rights.

There are very few anti-vaxxers in the medical community.

Is that why on a daily basis in my news feed I read about hospitals doing mass firings because of medical staff refusing...

Trust medical staff!!! DEBUNKED DERP DEBUNKED!!! STATISTIC I PULLED OUT OF AIR% DEBUNKED! Unless they disagree with the government.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/houston-hospital-vaccine-resign-fired_n_60d2c6e5e4b0b6b5a15f9d48

 

[linuxares]

I do not what the law is in Sweden but mandatory Vaccines are a violation of the Hippocratic oath and The Declaration of Geneva (Physician’s Oath) adopted by the General Assembly of the World Medical Association at Geneva in 1948.

Any medical procedure without informed consent is a violation of human rights.

https://ourworldindata.org/childhood-vaccination-policies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy

etc. etc. etc.

Sweden is more or less mandatory, but no. It's just recommendation that like every single parent do since they want health children and not let them die of a single cough.

 

[The Catboy]

This thread: There are no vax concerns/detractors in the medical community, and if they are they are quacks & wrong. Now I am going to say debunked 50 more times.

I am going to be taking my Doctors advice, when I asked if he was taking it he laughed and said, "Fuck no."

Considering no one has actually made a post providing verified and peer-reviewed research indicating any major concerns against vaccines, it's pretty safe that there isn't a significant amount of medical professionals against the vaccines.
Either you are going to a complete quake of a doctor or you just flat made that up because no real doctor would do that. Worth adding, if your doctor is some crap like a homeopathic or chiropractor, then aren't real doctors and didn't get a real medical degree.

Is that why on a daily basis in my news feed I read about hospitals doing mass firings because of medical staff refusing...

Trust medical staff!!! DEBUNKED DERP DEBUNKED!!! STATISTIC I PULLED OUT OF AIR% DEBUNKED! Unless they disagree with the government.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/houston-hospital-vaccine-resign-fired_n_60d2c6e5e4b0b6b5a15f9d48

Anyone in the medical field refusing to do their job to treat and take care of people should be fired. If some anti-vaxxor made their way into a hospital staff, they should be fired as they risk people's health. Anti-vaxxors should not be practicing medicine as they are clearly not qualified for the job.

 

[tabzer]

Anyone in the medical field refusing to do their job to treat and take care of people should be fired.

That would be about %90+ of all doctors. Those who followed institutional (CDC, NHIS, etc) guidelines to refuse treatment of people suspected to have Covid, at least until after 2-weeks, or symptoms became serious enough to force hospital care (by then which was too late). Of course, doctors were threatened and even had their licenses revoked for trying to help people. It is my summarization, but you can get the direct context from a source @Lacius provided: https://archive.md/9lG0l (Refer to the actual URL text within the source to get to a working video--you can do it) It is recommended because I wouldn't want you to rely on my words or interpretation, as I am not a doctor.

Of course @Lacius claims that there are parts of the video that are "debunked" (which I disagree with, as anyone with a brain and attention span to watch the video can see the baselessness of Lacius's claims). The important point, though, is that this specific claim of institutional malfeasance and doctor compliance remains untouched/ignored by the psuedo-debunkery Lacius provided.

 

[Lacius]

Of course @Lacius claims that there are parts of the video that are "debunked" (which I disagree with, as anyone with a brain and attention span to watch the video can see the baselessness of Lacius's claims).

Perhaps you should show us how my claims are baseless instead of baselessly crying "baseless," lol.

 

[The Catboy]

That would be about %90+ of all doctors. Those who followed institutional (CDC, NHIS, etc) guidelines to refuse treatment of people suspected to have Covid, at least until after 2-weeks, or symptoms became serious enough to force hospital care (by then which was too late). Of course, doctors were threatened and even had their licenses revoked for trying to help people. It is my summarization, but you can get the direct context from a source @Lacius provided: https://archive.md/9lG0l (Refer to the actual URL text within the source to get to a working video--you can do it) It is recommended because I wouldn't want you to rely on my words or interpretation, as I am not a doctor.

Of course @Lacius claims that there are parts of the video that are "debunked" (which I disagree with, as anyone with a brain and attention span to watch the video can see the baselessness of Lacius's claims). The important point, though, is that this specific claim of institutional malfeasance and doctor compliance remains untouched/ignored by the psuedo-debunkery Lacius provided.

Show us some sources, you coward.

 

[tabzer]

Perhaps you should show us how my claims are baseless instead of baselessly crying "baseless," lol.

The one that piqued my interest in which I requested a source has been satisfactorily understood to be ignoring the contextual premise of "vaccines in America", to which made the request "which vaccines in America are more dangerous than the Covid-19 vaccines?" There was no response.

You can see the context for yourself, in a source that you provided, that you apparently didn't review:

https://archive.md/9lG0l

Again, refer to the rumble URL to find the location of a working video.

I can, and probably will, dissect each point of failure (and misdirection, etc) of yours when my vacation starts.

But for now, it is easy to GO TO THE SOURCE PROVIDED and see for yourself. @Lilith Valentine, idiot. It is the source.

 

[The Catboy]

The one that piqued my interest in which I requested a source has been satisfactorily understood to be ignoring the contextual premise of "vaccines in America", to which made the request "which vaccines in America are more dangerous than the Covid-19 vaccines?" There was no response.

You can see the context for yourself, in a source that you provided, that you apparently didn't review:

https://archive.md/9lG0l

Again, refer to the rumble URL to find the location of a working video.

I can, and probably will, dissect each point of failure (and misdirection, etc) of yours when my vacation starts.

But for now, it is easy to GO TO THE SOURCE PROVIDED and see for yourself. @Lilith Valentine, idiot. It is the source.

So no peer-reviewed paper or anything other than just one guy's claims. You cheery-picked some random doctor who agrees with you but also someone who hasn't published any of their ideas to be peer-reviewed nor really just verified. This isn't a source, it's a cherry-picked interview you are hoping makes up for the lack of proper sources. Show some actual sources, show something that has been reviewed by other medical professionals.

That would be about %90+ of all doctors. Those who followed institutional (CDC, NHIS, etc) guidelines to refuse treatment of people suspected to have Covid, at least until after 2-weeks, or symptoms became serious enough to force hospital care (by then which was too late).

This is your claim, what are the sources to back up these claims? What's the source backing up "90%+" of all doctors?

 

[Lacius]

The one that piqued my interest in which I requested a source has been satisfactorily understood to be ignoring the contextual premise of "vaccines in America", to which made the request "which vaccines in America are more dangerous than the Covid-19 vaccines?" There was no response.

What?

I can, and probably will, dissect each point of failure (and misdirection, etc) of yours when my vacation starts.

Make sure you tag me, or respond to my posts directly, when you choose to post something that actually contains some substance, and don't forget to provide evidence.

 

[SG854]

I don't know if this video has been posted but it's excellent.

The numbers media state and the way they going about it is misleading and drives more vaccine hesitancy.


The point of the vaccine isn't about prevention. It isn't prevention from getting the virus at all. The point of the vaccines are preventing hospitalization and death.


The efficacy numbers of the different vaccines aren't very useful, important but not useful for selling the vaccine to the public. What's more important metric is if they prevent death & hospitalizations against covid and all vaccines have a 100% success rate against those 2 things which is why they passed clinical trails.


There is still a chance you can get sick from covid with the vaccine. But that not what the vaccine is for. It isn't prevention. The point of the vaccine is tame the virus, to defang it, to protect your body from getting a more severe condition. If you just get the sniffles then that better then hospitalization. And as long as it does that and prevents a more severe condition then thats the vaccine doing work.


We have a cure against death from covid and people are more afraid of the cure then the virus.