Not worth engaging... So you've been spamming this thread with fallacies and idiotic beliefs (including your wrong understanding that spike proteins would be part of the vaccine when they are not, not for the mRNA ones anyway, and AstraZeneca is a mRNA vaccine), and for what? For it not being "worth engaging"? If you're not going to provide any reliable source about your claims, you're as good as not being listened to by anyone mate.
>mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.”
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html
*hrm*
The problem with the unwanted interaction is, that when they are produced in a cells nucleus, there is a chance of them splitting, producing truncated versions of that protein which then dont connect to the cell itself, but are released into open blood stream and in 1:100.000 cases can cause blood clotting. This is only a mechanism happening with vector based vaccines, using adeno-viruses to deliver the payload. mRNA based vaccines are exempt. (See:
https://theconversation.com/from-ad...f-different-covid-vaccine-technologies-145454 )
Also - thats a theory which might not fully explain why we are seeing blood clotting with AZ. It centainly doesnt explain, why we see much fever cases with J&J (which is also an andenovirus based vector vaccine) (as in more than 20x fewer).
But its still what a physician thats now part of 4Chan anti-vaxxer PR memes (he also worked on the miracle cure, which so sad governments wouldnt give us) used as his finest hour moment to 'warn the world of spikes!'.
When the rest of the world looked at that and said yeah, we have to look at this in more detail, and maybe pivot away from AZ in vaccine procurement (using that as the main vaccine we give out to the public - which it isnt in Europe, and it never was in the US).
But its not Spikey spikey make bloodvuessuel hurt, in the way the good doctor decided to warn his peers, before becoming a mainstake of a new conspiracy theory.
And all the rest of it - the 'save people from getting the vaccine part' (J&J = 1:3.000.000 chance of having the side effect, Pfizer even less (much, much less (factor of 10)) ), the 'all vaccines are dangerous part', the you are 'better off if you get it naturally part', the 'its better do use a therapeutic than a vaccine part', the 'save the pregnant women part' all of them are bullshit. None of them is even slightly proportionate as a response to the issue found.
And then the believe by association thing. 'I believe in the doctor that tells me what I want to hear, even if its an obviously a the masses targeting meme', because 'meme tells me , that doctor is very accomplished (in cardeology), and also a good person', 'and also has been wronged' and 'this all has something to do with spike protein'. Its maddening. Because the association path is wrong at every intersection. Its based on a religious believe in some people that the people in white coats are halfgods in white, that are there to protect them - thats a theme so reduced in content - that all thats left is 'I dont understand them, but they do me good, so they good people'. Compared with some 'they have been wronged, they tried to help us, but then their miracle cure wasn't let to be developed' plotline, and then f'cking 5 qualifiers, what a destinguished person that doctor was. Mostly in cardeology. But then he also was a Covid action group something something. Never named clearly at all. (Btw. the miracle cure they were finding, isnt named either).
And all of it to flipping hide, what the person actually said.
Which turned out to be utter nonsense. Both in terms of how the interaction goes that might lead to blood clotting. And in terms what reasoning that person employed afterwards to give out the warning. But the meme doesnt give direct quote. You have to look them up on fact checking sites afterwards. The meme is too freaking busy - pointing out what a swell person that doctor is.
Do you know something about propaganda? This is propaganda. Highly emotional. Highly diversive. Completely rooted in story telling and not fact. Leaving out any aspect, that would lead to easy fact checking...
And you can move around this rhetorically as many times as you want (I believe it has something to do with spike protein!) - its trash.
And the first thing that points towards this - is that a flipping bunch of viruses use spike proteins to pierce your bodies cells to then deliver the payload - and none of them kills the host, as it is infecting them 'through spike proteins damaging blood vessles', because then the host is dead, and so is the virus. Meaning fail. In terms of natural selection.
But apparently the good doctor - a cardeologist - didnt think that far, when making his statement. So now both the factcheck site, and myself are left to find interpretations of what the good doctor meant, when he dropped his BS line - because the originator of the anti vaxxer meme has gone into hiding and shut up.
Luckily there is only one study that he might have read that both contained blood clotting as a result of covid vaccines and the word blood vessels which he used. And reading that study shows that the doctor made some pretty lax free associations, before defaulting to his position that 'all the vaccines are bad'.
Complete moron that one. I have similar candidates (also physicians) in my own (extended) family... (They arent anti vaccine, ... have to give them that much.)
