Covid-19 vaccine

[Lacius]

I don't know if this video has been posted but it's excellent.

The numbers media state and the way they going about it is misleading and drives more vaccine hesitancy.


The point of the vaccine isn't about prevention. It isn't prevention from getting the virus at all. The point of the vaccines are preventing hospitalization and death.


The efficacy numbers of the different vaccines aren't very useful, important but not useful for selling the vaccine to the public. What's more important metric is if they prevent death & hospitalizations against covid and all vaccines have a 100% success rate against those 2 things which is why they passed clinical trails.


There is still a chance you can get sick from covid with the vaccine. But that not what the vaccine is for. It isn't prevention. The point of the vaccine is tame the virus, to defang it, to protect your body from getting a more severe condition. If you just get the sniffles then that better then hospitalization. And as long as it does that and prevents a more severe condition then thats the vaccine doing work.

The point of the vaccine is to prevent infection and, if a breakthrough infection occurs, to prevent hospitalization/death.

 

[SG854]

The point of the vaccine is to prevent infection and, if a breakthrough infection occurs, to prevent hospitalization/death.

The main point is to prevent death. You can still get infected with the vaccine.

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The point of the vaccine is to prevent infection and, if a breakthrough infection occurs, to prevent hospitalization/death.

It's 100% effective against death. We have a cure against death from covid.

 

[Lacius]

The main point is to prevent death. You can still get infected with the vaccine.

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It's 100% effective against death. We have a cure against death from covid.

You can still get infected with COVID-19 even if you are vaccinated, and you can still die from COVID-19 even if you are vaccinated. The vaccines are approximately 70-95% effective against being infected with COVID-19, and the vaccines are very effective (over 99%) at preventing death by COVID-19. For this reason, everyone who can get vaccinated should get vaccinated. However, the percentage of vaccinated COVID-19 deaths isn't 0%.

 

[SG854]

You can still get infected with COVID-19 even if you are vaccinated, and you can still die from COVID-19 even if you are vaccinated. The vaccines are approximately 70-95% effective against being infected with COVID-19, and the vaccines are very effective (over 99%) at preventing death by COVID-19. For this reason, everyone who can get vaccinated should get vaccinated. However, the percentage of vaccinated COVID-19 deaths isn't 0%.

Do you know of any person that got the vaccine and died from covid?

 

[Lacius]

Do you know of any person that got the vaccine and died from covid?

As of early July, 99.2% of COVID-19 deaths in the United States were unvaccinated. 0.8% of COVID-19 deaths were vaccinated. That shows the vaccines are extremely effective, both at preventing infection and death, but they aren't 100% effective at either.

 

[SG854]

As of early July, 99.2% of COVID-19 deaths in the United States were unvaccinated. 0.8% of COVID-19 deaths were vaccinated. That shows the vaccines are extremely effective, both at preventing infection and death, but they aren't 100% effective at either.

You are right

 

[jimbo13]

Anyone in the medical field refusing to do their job to treat and take care of people should be fired. If some anti-vaxxor made their way into a hospital staff, they should be fired as they risk people's health. Anti-vaxxors should not be practicing medicine as they are clearly not qualified for the job.

Since when has 153 staff a at single hospital hospital been a isolated incident? If you think a hospital had 153 unqualified Doctors & nurses you have a lot bigger problems than Covid, and that's one hospital.

Maybe you should check your ego and realize 153 trained front line medical workers didn't just make a knee jerk reaction without cause and stop spewing idiotic rhetoric at people.

 

[The Catboy]

As of early July, 99.2% of COVID-19 deaths in the United States were unvaccinated. 0.8% of COVID-19 deaths were vaccinated. That shows the vaccines are extremely effective, both at preventing infection and death, but they aren't 100% effective at either.

That's about the same for pretty much all vaccines, which is that one can still get sick but just not as bad compared to if they were unvaccinated. This is coming from someone who still gets the flu, despite getting the flu shot. The main difference when I do get the flu is that it often only last a few days compared to the first time I got the flu without having gotten the flu shot. The first time I got the flu, it lasted well over 2 weeks. The reason I still get the flu is that I have an immune system disorder, my immune system is weakened and thus I am still prone to infection despite preventive measures. Being vaccinated helps curve the infection, I still get infected, it's just nowhere near as bad as the times when I didn't get a flu shot. This is why I always get my shots because I am ok with knowing that I might still get a little sick, but it won't be nearly as bad compared to not getting vaccinated.

 

[Lacius]

That's about the same for pretty much all vaccines, which is that one can still get sick but just not as bad compared to if they were unvaccinated. This is coming from someone who still gets the flu, despite getting the flu shot. The main difference when I do get the flu is that it often only last a few days compared to the first time I got the flu without having gotten the flu shot. The first time I got the flu, it lasted well over 2 weeks. The reason I still get the flu is that I have an immune system disorder, my immune system is weakened and thus I am still prone to infection despite preventive measures. Being vaccinated helps curve the infection, I still get infected, it's just nowhere near as bad as the times when I didn't get a flu shot. This is why I always get my shots because I am ok with knowing that I might still get a little sick, but it won't be nearly as bad compared to not getting vaccinated.

I'm a control-freak who's generally pretty health conscious, and I almost never get sick. My immune system is at least average, I use hand sanitizer every half hour or so at work, I always get my flu shot, and my lifestyle is pretty healthy (I run most days, my diet is quasi-vegetarian, my BMI is good, blah blah blah).

But, then I got COVID-19 in January of this year, and although my case was mild, it was not fun. Nobody likes being sick, but I hate it, and I was close to driving two hours across state lines to get vaccinated back in late February before my county started offering vaccines in early March to those in my profession. Anything to give myself some semblance of control.

 

[SG854]

I'm a control-freak who's generally pretty health conscious, and I almost never get sick. My immune system is at least average, I use hand sanitizer every half hour or so at work, I always get my flu shot, and my lifestyle is pretty healthy (I run most days, my diet is quasi-vegetarian, my BMI is good, blah blah blah).

But, then I got COVID-19 in January of this year, and although my case was mild, it was not fun. Nobody likes being sick, but I hate it, and I was close to driving two hours across state lines to get vaccinated back in late February before my county started offering vaccines in early March to those in my profession. Anything to give myself some semblance of control.

I clean myself but not to the extreme you do. I like to live a little. Get my hands dirty. Eat my steak medium rare.

 

[Lacius]

I clean myself but not to the extreme you do. I like to live a little. Get my hands dirty. Eat my steak medium rare.

I interact with 130+ students per day at my job.

 

[SG854]

I interact with 130+ students per day at my job.

I work in a big warehouse where I'm in close proximity of 100+ people

 

[The Catboy]

I interact with 130+ students per day at my job.

I work in a big warehouse where I'm in close proximity of 100+ people

I sometimes stand too close to people ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I used to do sales, which exposed me to a lot people and I was constantly getting sick before masks became a thing. I was better when they were a thing but now I am pretty much required to avoid any jobs that interact directly with people

 

[BitMasterPlus]

https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fre...ls-attack-and-set-on-fire-two-vaccine-centres

Zee French are getting zee crazies.

 

[Lacius]

https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fre...ls-attack-and-set-on-fire-two-vaccine-centres

Zee French are getting zee crazies.

Don't you mean the French anti-vaxxers are crazy?

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Don't you mean the French anti-vaxxers are crazy?

Well, I'd be pissed too if the president and government were trying to force experimental vaccines on me or get threatened with force, but that's just me though.

 

[Lacius]

Well, I'd be pissed too if the president and government were trying to force experimental vaccines on me or get threatened with force, but that's just me though.

My understanding is nobody is forcing people in France to get vaccinated under "threat of force," and the vaccines are not "experimental." They've been demonstrated to be safe and effective.

Edit: Are you arguing that vandalism is okay?

 

[BitMasterPlus]

My understanding is nobody is forcing people in France to get vaccinated under "threat of force," and the vaccines are not "experimental." They've been demonstrated to be safe and effective.

Edit: Are you arguing that vandalism is okay?

If the BLM and Antifa riots are to go by, then yes lol

 

[Lacius]

If the BLM and Antifa riots are to go by, then yes lol

Are you hypocritically arguing that vandalism during BLM protests is bad, but anti-vaccine vandalism is permissible?

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Are you hypocritically arguing that vandalism during BLM protests is bad, but anti-vaccine vandalism is permissible?

Rioting and looting over the death of a drug addict who OD is wrong, but when push comes to shove when a government tries to act tyrannical and tries to either become a communist (or Fascist) nation and try to disregard basic human rights, tensions will predictably flare and sometimes it'll comes to blows if the situation calls for it.

Take that as you will I just thought it was interesting what's going on in France right now, it could spread to the US, but who knows.