Covid-19 vaccine

[Ericthegreat]

Check your math.

Leave it be natural selection will deal with him eventually.

 

[Lacius]

Leave it be natural selection will deal with him eventually.

The problem is his choices are unlikely to affect only himself.

 

[notimp]

I don't want to come off as flustered, so I'll just say to come back when you have a specific and verifiable instance of left-wing bias on Wikipedia..

Congress did override one of Trumps vetos - for the first time ever, getting this years military budget on track. Trump wanted to stall to retaliate against social media company influence. He wanted them to lose liability protection.

Happy?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...-veto-first-time-major-military-bill-n1252652

To understand that fully, the entire business model of social media companies rests on liability protection. They 'have to' protect themselves from legal risk to be able to onboard millions of users on 'free' (ad financed) business models. From that results their 'take it or leave it' nature and 'no base tier', no 'mandatory privacy protection options', 'users not owning their data', 'users having no say in the use of their data' ...

 

[RandomUser]

People, you should decide for yourself if the vaccine is right for you when it becomes available. Only you should decide if it is worth the risk taking the vaccine or taking the risk of the virus itself.
You should not let the vaccine pushers force you to take the vaccine. Again you need to decide if it is worth it or not.
On that note, you should keep in mind that there are reasons why FDA has not approve the vaccine. Despite some people on here saying that evidence is saying that it is safe. Yes, be that it may, it does not include possible new future evidence that may or may not crop up in the future. Time will tell.
Happy new year to all.

 

[Lacius]

Congress did override one of Trumps vetos - for the first time ever, getting this years military budget on track. Trump wanted to stall to retaliate against social media company influence. He wanted them to lose liability protection.

Happy?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...-veto-first-time-major-military-bill-n1252652

To understand that fully, the entire business model of social media companies rests on liability protection. They 'have to' protect themselves from legal risk to be able to onboard millions of users on 'free' (ad financed) business models. From that results their 'take it or leave it' nature and 'no base tier', no 'mandatory privacy protection options', ...

Respectfully, what does this have to do with anything we were discussing?

 

[notimp]

Respectfully, what does this have to do with anything we were discussing?

He was a threat, you dont like him in silicon valley cycles.

He understood personally what role social media played in gaining and retaining (effort) his presidency - thats not good.

Granted, no direct threads to 'Wikipedia' specifically. But if you look at this structurally. If you maybe ask yourself, why certain biases are in play...

 

[linuxares]

People, you should decide for yourself if the vaccine is right for you when it becomes available. Only you should decide if it is worth the risk taking the vaccine or taking the risk of the virus itself.
You should not let the vaccine pushers force you to take the vaccine. Again you need to decide if it is worth it or not.

I however think people that refuse to take this vaccine should be pentalized somehow. Getting some of their basic freedoms imped since COVID-19 is a deadly virus. Proven over and over again to be able to kill young as well as old

Also @x65943 isn't it FDA approved? Since it's being distributed in the US therefore in fact it's approved right? Even when they say "emergency".

 

[Lacius]

People, you should decide for yourself if the vaccine is right for you when it becomes available. Only you should decide if it is worth the risk taking the vaccine or taking the risk of the virus itself.
You should not let the vaccine pushers force you to take the vaccine. Again you need to decide if it is worth it or not.
On that note, you should keep in mind that there are reasons why FDA has not approve the vaccine. Despite some people on here saying that evidence is saying that it is safe. Yes, be that it may, it does not include possible new future evidence that may or may not crop up in the future. Time will tell.
Happy new year to all.

Nobody should be forced by law to get vaccinated, but that doesn't mean a person should be free of repercussions when choosing not to be vaccinated. For example, if a person wants to travel on an airplane, they might need to be vaccinated. There are also the obvious repercussions of one's moral conscience, considering it's pretty petulant for someone to willingly not he vaccinated when medically able to do so.

 

[x65943]

I however think people that refuse to take this vaccine should be pentalized somehow. Getting some of their basic freedoms imped since COVID-19 is a deadly virus. Proven over and over again to be able to kill young as well as old

Also @x65943 isn't it FDA approved? Since it's being distributed in the US therefore in fact it's approved right? Even when they say "emergency".

Emergency use authorization is not the same as approval and does not have the same quality control and evidence based medicine requirements

If we were not in the middle of a pandemic the vaccines would have never been approved for any use whatsoever so soon

The fact remains that we are taking a calculated risk here

 

[linuxares]

Emergency use authorization is not the same as approval and does not have the same quality control and evidence based medicine requirements

If we were not in the middle of a pandemic the vaccines would have never been approved for any use whatsoever so soon

The fact remains that we are taking a calculated risk here

I guess it takes a lot of time to approve a medicine?

 

[x65943]

I guess it takes a lot of time to approve a medicine?

Right, typically they want at least a few years so they can monitor long term side effects and efficacy in different populations

Since we don't have time they bent the rules, which is fine and I agree we should bend the rules - but that's why they haven't got a regular FDA acceptance

 

[Lacius]

Emergency use authorization is not the same as approval and does not have the same quality control and evidence based medicine requirements

If we were not in the middle of a pandemic the vaccines would have never been approved for any use whatsoever so soon

The fact remains that we are taking a calculated risk here

Everything you said is technically correct, but emergency use authorization is not to say the safety tests weren't rigorous. As I said in the past, emergency use authorization has less to do with whether or not we know the vaccine is safe and more to do with bureaucratic technicalities. Plenty of countries, particularly in Europe, have approved the vaccine without needing to do it through emergency use.

Most things in life are calculated risks, but that doesn't mean they aren't demonstrably safe.

 

[RandomUser]

I however think people that refuse to take this vaccine should be pentalized somehow. Getting some of their basic freedoms imped since COVID-19 is a deadly virus. Proven over and over again to be able to kill young as well as old

Also @x65943 isn't it FDA approved? Since it's being distributed in the US therefore in fact it's approved right? Even when they say "emergency".

The FDA has not approve the vacine, I posted a link on this post. As for the penalty, yes, after the vaccine is approve from the FDA, not before.

Nobody should be forced by law to get vaccinated, but that doesn't mean a person should be free of repercussions when choosing not to be vaccinated. For example, if a person wants to travel on an airplane, they might need to be vaccinated. There are also the obvious repercussions of one's moral conscience, considering it's pretty petulant for someone to willingly not he vaccinated when medically able to do so.

If people still adhere to the CDC guidelines of wearing mask and social distance, then there shouldn't be much of a repercussions. It's not like they would be spreading the virus on purpose.
Also what about the people whom is concerned about the vaccine? Again if they follow the existing rules but want to wait for the FDA approval, I see nothing wrong with that. The pushers themselves from what I can see is also lacking in moral conscience themselves. If this isn't true, then they should be able to see both sides of the view.

 

[Lacius]

The FDA has not approve the vacine, I posted a link on this post. As for the penalty, yes, after the vaccine is approve from the FDA, not before.


If people still adhere to the CDC guidelines of wearing mask and social distance, then there shouldn't be much of a repercussions. It's not like they would be spreading the virus on purpose.
Also what about the people whom is concerned about the vaccine? Again if they follow the existing rules but want to wait for the FDA approval, I see nothing wrong with that. The pushers themselves from what I can see is also lacking in moral conscience themselves. If this isn't true, then they should be able to see both sides of the view.

The fact remains that the longer people delay getting vaccinated, the longer we will have to continue wearing masks and social distancing, and the more people who are going to get infected and die.

 

[x65943]

Everything you said is technically correct, but emergency use authorization is not to say the safety tests weren't rigorous. As I said in the past, emergency use authorization has less to do with whether or not we know the vaccine is safe and more to do with bureaucratic technicalities. Plenty of countries, particularly in Europe, have approved the vaccine without needing to do it through emergency use.

Most things in life are calculated risks, but that doesn't mean they aren't demonstrably safe.

And as I said before we know it's safe in the short term but at best are making educated guesses about the long term

 

[notimp]

The fact remains that the longer people delay getting vaccinated, the longer we will have to continue wearing masks and social distancing, and the more people who are going to get infected and die.

Currently the driver is availability.

Even israel is only at 10% of the population vaccinated - currently.

(And media is doing the 'have we allocated too little , or to late?" spiel allready... (Nonsense question. allocation schemes were coordinated - at least to a point where you cant point your finger at israel and say - they just were more clever, why werent we? (They'll serve as a good base for data in the months to come.))

 

[Lacius]

Currently the driver is availability.

Even israel is only at 10% of the population vaccinated - currently.

In the short term, the driver is availability. In the long term, the driver is petulance.

 

[linuxares]

And as I said before we know it's safe in the short term but at best are making educated guesses about the long term

Well people could always wait for the AstraZeneca one. It's made on tradional methods of injecting a protein instead. Or that Russian one... Sputnik V

 

[x65943]

Well people could always wait for the AstraZeneca one. It's made on tradional methods of injecting a protein instead. Or that Russian one... Sputnik V

Right, however these also could have long ranging side effects we don't know about

All vaccines create an immune response which could potentially have cross reactivity with self antigens - which is where the danger lies

 

[omgcat]

people have such a hang up about the "safety" of the vaccine, but had a raging hard-on about the hydroxy combo that has a known history of causing blindness and blowing out your kidneys. what the fuck is wrong with you scientifically illiterate idiots.

the severe side effect list of hydroxy is huge:

• difficulty reading or seeing (words, letters, or parts of objects missing)
• sensitivity to light
• blurred vision
• changes in vision
• seeing light flashes or streaks
• difficulty hearing
• ringing in ears
• muscle weakness
• unusual bleeding or bruising
• bleaching or loss of hair
• mood or mental changes
• irregular heartbeat
• drowsiness
• convulsions
• decreased consciousness or loss of consciousness
• thinking about harming or killing yourself

yet people in here were praising it like it would save the world.

the new vaccines have no recorded instances of blowing out kidneys, blindness, hair loss, cardiac arrest. the worst so far is anaphylaxis which is cured with an epipen or adrenaline, and some instances of bells palsy (1/23000000) which all instances resolved in less than 3 weeks.

on top of this, the covid vaccine side loaded research from SARS(2004) and MERS(2012). both of those viruses are super close to SARS-2-COV and as such the research overlaps massively.

this wasn't 1 year of research, it was closer to 1 year of a closely related strain on top of 8-14 years of previous research.

the same people claiming this isn't safe (conservative media) are the same people jumping in line to get the damn vaccine for a virus that was a "hoax".

https://www.ibtimes.sg/joni-ernst-rep-senator-called-hypocrite-boasting-about-getting-covid-19-vaccine-after-54376

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/rubio-criticized-for-getting-covid-19-vaccine-before-many-frontline-workers/

https://www.abccolumbia.com/2020/12...m-receives-covid-19-vaccine-over-the-weekend/

Learn the damn scientific method, then fucking read real scientific journals. god damn