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Who are you rooting for?

Poll closed Dec 14, 2019.
  1. Conservative

    11 vote(s)
    22.4%
  2. Labour

    24 vote(s)
    49.0%
  3. Liberal Democrats

    4 vote(s)
    8.2%
  4. Brexit

    2 vote(s)
    4.1%
  5. SNP

    2 vote(s)
    4.1%
  6. UKIP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Greens

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  8. Sinn Fein (or other Irish Republican)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. DUP (or other Ulster unionist)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Plaid Cymru

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  11. Other / change UK

    4 vote(s)
    8.2%
  1. matthi321

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    so when is he gonna delay brexit again?
     
  2. FAST6191

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    Did he? Most things are reporting him potentially hanging on until the end of next year for their next leader pick (but more likely early next year), unless the National Executive (the labour party's leadership) boot him sooner.
     
  3. cots

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    So shocking. The Conservative party won after the Liberal Democrat party refused to go through with something that Britain voted for.
     
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  4. FAST6191

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    The liberal party is a whole other party.

    Also that must get really confusing for you when you try to follow Australian politics.
     
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    Funny. Sorry I wasn't accurate, I figured anyone with a brain would be able to figure out I was referring to the "Liberal Democrats" when I stated Liberal.
     
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    I know liberal is your favourite snarl word and probably presumed cause of all the ills in the world from the extinction of the dinosaurs on down but still found it amusing.
     
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    You're the one who thought the elections were in Australia.
     
  8. x65943

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    The lib dems had zero chance of winning from the beginning.

    It's Labour who had a chance to win if they sorted themselves out.
     
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    Let's face facts tho with the way current systems work, it's always gonna be a two party race - the other parties just don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of gaining enough voters to make a significant difference
     
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    @cots thinks Labour = Liberal Democrats.
     
  11. Essasetic

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    I'll be honest. There was no good party to vote for this election.
     
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    The UK needs STV like in Ireland
     
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    In the broad strokes then sure it will never resemble what some kind of transferable vote will achieve but given said other parties either mean regional places get noted lest you suffer the spoiler effect -- the SNP's rise in Scotland this last few decades pretty much came at the cost of labour's Scottish base, and policy wise is mostly just labour and a bit more still* with a hardon for some kind of Scottish independence/devolution), and gives something of an indicator of where your party should be heading if it is to stick with the will of the people (most alt parties tending to be more or less extreme versions of the main parties, though occasionally with a notable difference, and can also be used tactically against your opponents). This also on top of the coalition thing which quite a few of the last few governments have been based around.

    * https://www.snp.org/general-election-2019/ if you want a read there. If you skip over the Scotland for Scotland parts (or possibly replace with UK) and imagine red instead of yellow can you not see it easily as a labour one?
     
  14. notimp

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    Lets face it, this is not how it works.

    Its just, that in british parliament, if you have 43% of the vote, you get 56% of the seats (weighted - so a group of countries, with many different parties becomes governable through a parliamental system). Also, even then to change some things you need a 2/3s majority - in which case 56% wont do it.

    Its always just one or the other isn't a case in any parlamental democracy other than the US (?).


    Also lets face it - people here have successfully buried a video where Boris Johnsons political adviser tells you, yes - we segmented out our audience in targetable junks using metrics derived from machine learning, then tested our slogans on a subset of multiple thousand facebook users as to what would work, then spread lies (TURKEY next in EU!), then got a face, because of some 'complicated party internal stuff' and then pulled a stunt (bus) to get free media coverage. We did that on the cheap, then we sunk in all of our advertising budget in the last week, and especially in the last two days. In facebook ads. Targeted.

    And we even used phrasing, that we knew would trigger associations towards 'getting a thing back' - that never neccessarily was about 'getting a thing back'.

    And yes, we especially used anything that would work, based on our scientific research (behavioral psychology), and yes - it only could work, because we played "fear of a breaking health system" against "xenophobia" against a latent hate (2008) against Londons banking sector, and yes - it only did work, because we could address all three of those.

    Otherwise the 'its to your economic detriment' messaging from the other side would have prevailed.

    There was no ideological underpinning, it simply was opportunistic to the core. ("I didnt want to do it first, but when I looked at how divided britain was about underlying issues - that werent addressed at the time, I though - hey, maybe its worth a shot") And it was done with billionaire financing for good meassure.

    The guy speaks at an Ogilvy conference called "Nudgefest", for gods sake.

    And the first audience question he gets (in a reddit style upvote system) is - do you regret what you have done?


    So if you all dont want to talk about how this was done, and rather talk about anything else - you are a right wing idealist?

    Also remember, when we told you six months back that this is how it was done? Because we did.

    All of you have this information one click on youtube away. I prompted you twice to watch it. And all you got as a reaction were some idiot extremists trying to burry it with 'a video wont change my political position' - and it worked.

    This was my own test - if society really can be that stupid - and nothing can be surfaced on facebook style 'opinion feeds anymore' and yes, thats the case. If you flood a posting with emotional opinion porn - it doesnt matter what anyone posts - anything is too high effort to check out, compared to just posting your ad hock emotions.

    None of you identified, that that was what it was.

    Now go back and watch it.
     
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  15. JoeBloggs777

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    well they went from saying they would honour the result of the referendum to trying to fix a new referendum with remain or remain, when they did that many lost trust in them.

    it's good to see many of those who said they would honour the result and then wanted a 'peoples referendum' or 'confirmatory referendum' have been given the boot, eg The Labour party, Anna Soubry, Jo Swnson,chuka umunna, pitty David Lammy was not one of them.

    if the Brexit party had stood down completely Labour would have lost many more seats, like the 'safe' Labour seat where I live.

    well there is a bit of hope for Labour

     
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    The going back on the referendum efforts were always stupid. Kind of.

    But the referendum result was cheated with facebook engineering of consent. Dont bury the lead.

    This is the video you want to watch.



    Not some right wing outrage stir porn, that was just posted to deflect.

    This (^) is your 'nationalistic integrity'.

    And more so, in the week before the current election you pushed, just how divided the country was - targeted as well, little doubt, and that was enough to produce another conservative majority (to just get it over with). Remember how polling hadn't shown the outcome until a day before the election?

    Yes, thats what facebook advertising can do for you. :) Mobilize people with targeted messaging within two days. No political deliberation, just playing to peoples limbic systems.

    And how truthful was the messaging?
    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50726500

    Ups. Democracy is over.
     
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  17. Hanafuda

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    Protesting because the election didn't go as they expected. Can't accept any outcome except the one where they get what they want.

    I know a few words for this type behavior and they're not complimentary.

     
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    Eh...

    Protests now, actually might be whats needed. but for a different reason. Here is the German perspective - Der Spiegel, just coined the phrase 'the gease voted for christmas'.

    So the thing currently is - that you gave the tories an absolute majority - and you gave it to a guy thats from the 'experimental' fractions, so no one is too sure what he is going to do - despite Brexit.

    So Brexit is a done deal now. European newspapers all over the place are printing headlines 'the pro european narrative in GB is no more'.

    But.

    UK currently has a big issue with income disparity, a high fraction of poor people, and due to Brexit will go into another recession mid term (same as the EU, not trying to play games here). And in those times, you voted in a Tory who is by no means a centrist. So what we are hearing through the grapevine is, that he could push further market liberalization. Alienate scottish interests, and just go full free market lackey. This eventually will give you an advantage economically, but poor people will suffer even more.

    So now is the time to plead, that thats not happening. Hence - demonstrations.

    The question thats now open is, will he repair the cleft within society - or double down.

    What especially baffles liberal elites in europe currently, is why so many people in those elections f.e. still voted for the lib dems - this was a deciding election on your political future - and many people wasted their vote by voting for a party that had no chance of mattering in the current situation. To which I reply - hey if you run your elections on fake info on facebook... ( ;) )
     
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  19. JoeBloggs777

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    the Lib Dems were the only party that wanted to revoke article 50 , then when they realised that was not popular with the voters they decided to change it to a referendum but maybe it was too late and the damage was done.

    as for wasted votes why didn't the remoaners vote for them ?, there are enough tactical voting websites out there for remoaners.

    why didn't the Lib Dems suppoters use tactical voting and back a Labour candidate instead, which might have beaten the Tory one. was it Swinsons fault saying she wouldn't support a Tory or Labour gov ?

    Labour Supporters in the North were prepared to go against a lifetime of voting Labour to back the Tories to get Brexit.

    you had a million or so people march thru London supporting remain yet they were beaten by Brexit voters. for what ever reasons the remoaners lost and its game over for them now..
     
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    Maybe people voted for lib dems, so they wouldnt have to vote for labor, who knows (until voter stream analysis). Lost wine. I'll have forgotten it by tomorrow. :) It's just it seems like people didnt realize the weight of that election - somehow.. ;) Thats why its a little odd. but just a little. :) (The thing is lib dems effectively gained voters. The percentage value is low enough, but they actually gained voters... Maybe people didnt realize how the weighing in their voting system works.. ;) Or they wanted to be libdems in a Brexit London, dont know.. ;) )
     
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