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Who are you rooting for?

Poll closed Dec 14, 2019.
  1. Conservative

    11 vote(s)
    22.4%
  2. Labour

    24 vote(s)
    49.0%
  3. Liberal Democrats

    4 vote(s)
    8.2%
  4. Brexit

    2 vote(s)
    4.1%
  5. SNP

    2 vote(s)
    4.1%
  6. UKIP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Greens

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  8. Sinn Fein (or other Irish Republican)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. DUP (or other Ulster unionist)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Plaid Cymru

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  11. Other / change UK

    4 vote(s)
    8.2%
  1. FAST6191

    FAST6191 Techromancer
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    I don't think I am even registered to vote these days, and besides that I have never actually voted and at this point have seen more national elections where I could vote than when I was too young. Granted looking at the results of previous elections where I am these days it would not make a lot of odds.

    Read the manifestos (or "contract with the people" as the case may be in the case of the Brexit party) of all of the even vaguely notable players, and then figured out what they are actually saying or is likely to actually happen because basic laws of finance, governing principles of law making in the country or physics. While I can't pretend to be upset they all seem to have gone in for fancy words and fun with numbers to obfuscate things and puff themselves up. While all of them have some things I would like to see happen they also all have some things I would be horrified see come to pass and operate on logic I find incredibly questionable, and histories and cronies not much better. To that end I can't say I am a fan of anybody running, and definitely not anybody with a chance of winning* (be the whole deal or any one country in the union). Nobody seems to take on the idea of ruling whilst listening to people that actually know what they speak about (be it drug laws, housing laws, industry laws, car laws, medical financial planning, infrastructure, education, environmental laws...) and are often actively clueless and dismissive of any issues I might like -- I am not liking the demise of free speech/rise of censorship in the UK, and the puppet masters for some parties are growing a bit too bold for my taste.
    Don't think I even have a lesser of two evils type pick either as they are both doing nothing for me, albeit in slightly different ways. and general momentum means neither would get too much of a chance to hose it up too much more. If I have to have anything I want another hung parliament.

    As far as leaving the EU I remain yet to be convinced it is a good course of action (leaving aside the possibilities as far as what path that might take -- Norway style being rather different to another member of the UN/WTO), though if leave was the result then do it well there lads. To that end I can also safely say none of the deals thus far presented have been any good either -- I want political/diplomatic hardball, not staring off into space and hoping it gets done by magic or that you just have to be there in there body but not mind (such things work well for boring school lessons, less in hardcore international politics) with "it'll be alright on the night" the guiding principle and plan. That said I have enjoyed seeing said politicos get some egg on their faces when their incompetence rises up to greet them, though if I had long term plans/care for the country or expectation of anything from the services the looming no lube rogering that the US, China and maybe Russia are preparing to give might concern (while there are bigger concerns then the US is likely to export its IP system as part of deals, mainly as they have before when dealing with other small countries, and that would be awful).

    *haven't bothered to look at the polls to see what they say. But I do like the following video for explaining some of their quirks


    I am also curious to see what will happen to any leaders following the results. Last time many were predicting the end of Jeremy Corbyn's tenure as leader of Labour, and it did seem plausible, but he seems to have hung in there instead (not that I am sure who they would replace him with, though purely as a "this would be utterly hilarious" type deal I would love to see what Diane Abbott makes of the role with the amount of drivel that comes out of her mouth most of the time). Similarly the Conservatives are also struggling to contain things with only the fear of the spoiler effect seemingly managing that one, and seeing their departing members say some of the things they have would be utterly historic if utterly historic were not a daily occurrence right now. Roll on the political blood sports and give me some nice stats and cool political manoeuvres using them and odd rules to look at.
     
  2. Armadillo

    Armadillo GBAtemp Psycho!
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    Rooting for a hung parliament here. Don't really like either of the main parties. Both support nonsense like the snoopers charter.

    As for vote, safe Labour seat here (something like 70% of the vote), so doesn't really make much difference, Labour will take the seat. Wish we had a better system.
     
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  3. notimp

    notimp Well-Known Member
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    *lol* (via fefe (german blog))

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50726500
     
  4. arcanine

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    Hanafuda GBAtemp Addict
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    That tells ya something about who you're in bed with, huh.

    Reminds me of the old saying, "You can vote your country into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out."
     
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  6. arcanine

    arcanine GBAtemp Regular
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    It is symptomatic of a civilisation grown beyond its ability to self-regulate. Globalisation is the great evil. We are not supposed to live this way.
     
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  7. Xzi

    Xzi All your base are belong to the proletariat
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    What part of my statement appears sarcastic? "Remain" is a fairly straightforward option which doesn't need a whole lot of explaining. "Leave" can mean one of a hundred different things depending on how a deal is to be negotiated, or if one is to be negotiated at all. There's also no question at this point that the Tories used deception and outright lies in order to convince people that the leave option would provide certain non-existent benefits to the UK. There should be some way of holding them accountable for that, but it seems that responsibility now falls to the voters.
     
  8. UltraDolphinRevolution

    UltraDolphinRevolution GBAtemp Advanced Fan
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    That's exactly democracy. There are different positions. People propagate different policies and yes, sometimes deceive. That's what's happening in every democratic vote! In many cases though, it is not deception but the fact that nobody can tell what the future (or any given policy) will bring.
     
  9. notimp

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    Why, because people cant trust ads? ;)
     
  10. UltraDolphinRevolution

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    If my memory serves me right, the heated debate with all the different doom's day scenarios always implied a no-deal exit.
    Even if you are for remain, sabotaging one's country's position in the negotiation (s. Theresa May) is a horrible idea. Once a country leaves and there is interest on both sides, new deals can be made.
     
  11. x65943

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    Last poll before election.

    Poll information

    5% gap between Cons and Labour - probably erroneous, but if true, could indicate a hung parliament.

    Tomorrow is going to be a very interesting day indeed.
     
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  12. Xzi

    Xzi All your base are belong to the proletariat
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    The end game for the Tories has always been a no-deal Brexit, yes, but that's not something they were ever really honest about, especially early on. As for making deals after the process of Brexit has already been completed: the UK would be in a much weaker negotiating position at that point, assuming they don't come crawling to the US or some other country for relief first. Essentially, a no-deal Brexit would mean trading one master for another, and the UK would be surrendering even more of its autonomy in the process.
     
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    What? Their end game has certainly not always been no deal. ERG perhaps, but Theresa May very obviously tried for years for a deal.
     
  14. Ev1l0rd

    Ev1l0rd (⌐◥▶◀◤) Developer - noirscape
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    It's important to remember that barring a couple of hardliners (like Boris Johnson, but not exclusively him), to my knowledge the majority of the British political parties don't want a Brexit.

    If I recall correctly, the original intent was to hold the Brexit referendum, then lose the referendum and have Tories score easy votes in the next election. Of course, that backfired spectacularly, causing the current situation.

    This is why it's taking three years by now and why the original referendum was so simplistic. No party really wants to leave since it's just overall a bad move, but at the same time nobody wants to take the risk at their political carreer and cancel it or hold a second referendum.
     
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  15. Flame

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    Voted.

    #teamLabour
     
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  16. arcanine

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    because it is predicated on lies and propaganda
     
  17. AmandaRose

    AmandaRose Do what I do. Hold tight and pretend it’s a plan
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    Same fuck BoJo and fuck the SNP :rofl2:
    #teamLabour
     
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  18. fatherjack

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    Voted already last week via post - so lazy :)

    I predict conservative win today. You only have to look at that colour map on tv to realise that the majority of British voters (who vote!) are centre/right. Think LibDems are also in for a good night as strong 'remain' movement.

    Corbyn is almost unelectable! Keir Starmer would stand a better chance as party leader, but that said, it SHOULD be about policy not person - where's Ronnie Reagan when you need him

    Either way, looks like another four years of parliament not delivering their election lies, public getting so pissed off they end up voting for their old favourite.....CHANGE
     
  19. FGFlann

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    It's tough being a dissenting voter in a seat that has been held by a single party for 50 years. But who knows... Maybe this year will be the year.
     
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  20. AmandaRose

    AmandaRose Do what I do. Hold tight and pretend it’s a plan
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    Ok for anyone still to vote please remember that former Tory Prime Minister John Major and former Tory deputy prime minister Michael Heseltine aren't backing Boris Johnson today. Guess who is though? Katie Hopkins who as we all know is hugely transphobic and Tommy Robinson who as we all know is hugely racist. Please think very carefully when you vote about what direction you want this country to go in.


    Anyhoo if you love/like or even vaguely care about Great Britain, vote Labour. Or if Labour aren't likely to win in your area vote tactically to keep BoJo and the Tories out. Thanks.
     
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