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Who are you rooting for?

Poll closed Dec 14, 2019.
  1. Conservative

    11 vote(s)
    22.4%
  2. Labour

    24 vote(s)
    49.0%
  3. Liberal Democrats

    4 vote(s)
    8.2%
  4. Brexit

    2 vote(s)
    4.1%
  5. SNP

    2 vote(s)
    4.1%
  6. UKIP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Greens

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  8. Sinn Fein (or other Irish Republican)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. DUP (or other Ulster unionist)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Plaid Cymru

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  11. Other / change UK

    4 vote(s)
    8.2%
  1. JoeBloggs777

    JoeBloggs777 GBAtemp Advanced Fan
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    oh dear Jo Swinson the leader of the Liberal democrats who wanted to revoke article 50 has been beaten by the SNP goodbye :)
     
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    Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn announced he will resign shortly
     
  3. Xzi

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    Regrettable, but in hindsight it seems he did make a big mistake in not taking a concrete stance on Brexit. People want simple solutions to complex problems, and while that's not the way the world works, politics does sometimes require that type of reductionist presentation in order to get the public on your side.
     
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    I don't think it was down to him, it was members of the Labour party like Watson who made it party policy who wanted a confirmatory or peoples referendum.

    I wrote to my MP asking them not to break their pledge to honour the result of the referendum as they said they would but she and the Labour party did.

    I'm in a safe Labour seat but her majority was cut from 8,000 to just 3,000 and the Brexit party got over 3,000 votes, so maybe if the Brexit party had not stood in the election it would have been the first time since WW2 that the city I live in had a Tory MP.
     
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  5. arcanine

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    No, you are wrong. These people know that actual world domination on an individual level is impossible. They know that expanding the sphere of influence of their own political organisation will not work, or that if it does it will not result in a significant increase in their own personal wealth, power and status. They are preserving their power and wealth at a level which is sustainable. Because we are all sustaining it. Nationalism is beneficial to these people because seeds of mistrust in foreign countries grow into trunks and branches of loyalty to one’s own country and by extension the party. Do not make the mistake of believing that these people care about individuals, or countries, or the world. They do not care at all. Not one little bit. About anybody or anything which does not directly contribute to their own personal accumulation of wealth and power.
     
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    So the people wanting to rule the world, actually dont want to rule the wold, because they know it isnt sustainable. Got it. ;)

    God the simplifications on cornflakes boxes get dumber every year... ;)

    Alternatively - the people wanting to rule the world hate nationalism, so everyone vote far right. And pry the UK out of the EU, because its just the right thing to do. Got it. ;)
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    In my concept of the world it looks something like - neither globalists nor national populists care the least about uneducated people in shrinking societies.

    National politics - to globalists look like a folk festival.
    Geopolitics to nationalists - like something they cant compute.


    There is this notion on the left, that just further, and tighter integration (cultural unification) will solve all problems. And it was so believeable, that the social democratic left is now a minority party pretty much across the entirety of europe.
     
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  7. arcanine

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    I never said they rule the world individually. They own the world collectively and are each hoarding their share.

    Nice try undermining my comment with your snide remark. Unfortunately for you this is so transparently intellectually bankrupt that it is easily dismissed as playground taunting. Keep up the good work!
     
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  8. FGFlann

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    There is nothing good to say about Jeremy Corbyn and this shameless, disastrous experiment of a campaign. A man who believed so ardently in a Britain outside of Europe threw away his principles simply so he could oppose the government of the day, rather than serve the needs of the people he would represent. The result for all to see was a weak man with nothing to believe in, puppeteered by his subordinates, peddling smears to his prospective electorate instead of substance.
     
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    I fail to match your intellect on "the people owning the world" work together in a club, where they try to wall out the good peoples unification of the worlds effort, because ruling the world through unifying it further would not be rulling the world at all. It would be breaking the shackles of nationalists - to finally not ruling the world unified at all.

    Owning the world people ideologically fought by the right. (Unifying socialists!)
    Owning the world people ideologically fought by the left. (Unifying nationalits - having split up their stakes)

    No, checks out. *sarcasm*
     
  10. notimp

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    Meanwhile, on a much more real planet closer to ours:

    International power balance is shifting.
    WTO has problems to remain functioning.
    Transatlantic interest groups try to tie together "western" alliances. To keep mattering at all.
    At the same time everyone is trying to find the jumping off point to where their allegiances should shift towards east asia.
    Russia is still trying to somehow matter at all.
    Economic growth is on a decline.
    Everyone in the west is selling "decline - but with nature like" programs to their constituencies. (Openly - or less openly.)
    Everyone is still mostly investing in second world nations.
    Economically, there are no national boundries anymore - whatsoever.
    At the same time, we see tariffs return, in the US as well as in the EU. So 'protectionism' returns, but we don't know how it will look like. In its current configuration it looks like its there to 'safeguard' the big economic blocks (USA, EU, China) from economic actions made by one of the others.
    China very much is interested in having its political influence sphere grow larger at the moment. US just got UK back. EU currently doesnt want to expand.


    So here is the deal. No economicly viable venture, that is big enough to matter in any way - is national anymore. Nobody of importance thereby cares about nations anymore. (At least in the EU where nations are smaller.)

    So the idea - that you have to transition those national powerplayers that in unison 'own the world". Is flawed.

    So the idea - that you have to return to national structures again, so people within them will matter more. Is flawed.


    Its as simple as the following. If you are not interested in a transnational world, you are the dumb peasant thats carried along as dead weight. You can shout as long as you want that you are poor and want to matter more - no one, will care. Neither of the fractions you two made out as 'owning the world' (while not describing who you mean - thats just Disney level villain - in a fantasy abstraction.. ;) ).

    But Boris will build a new hospital in his home county like, to then merge economies with the US, and facilitate new economic ventures in Malaysia.

    If your political horizon is we must gain, or prevent one world rule. Em yeah. You get a hospital - if you live where Boris lives. Isnt that something? That - and you have prevented one world rule!

    Btw. if - regardless of what you are doing, you havent prevented one world rule in the next 100 years, drop me a PN, I'll buy you dinner. ;)
     
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  12. AmandaRose

    AmandaRose Do what I do. Hold tight and pretend it’s a plan
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    Hey Nicola Sturgeon you can take your bloody indyref2 and shove it right up your rear-end.
    And whats really worse is that Dominic Cummings is actually a bigger cunt than BoJo.

    As you said Dominic Cummings is the one telling BoJo what to say and do.
     
  13. notimp

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    No Cummings is whos telling him what to say or do to get the best public reaction.
    Remember that hes still part of a party? ;)

    Economic and power (as in to be in power for a longer time) interests usually drive party behavior.

    So. In every party usually you have splitter groups depending on their interests, that usually get leveled out, but in the case of Brexit where too dividing for the Tories to integrate them within their pwn party. So you had splittering fractions (new parties), that drew traction. So at some point - Tories shifted to still matter. This is political change in action.

    There is no one planning mastermind in the form of Bojo - now having achieved his goal, there are several competing fractions each one of them looking for a new model to convince society at large.


    Also - (as a slight analogy to how russia 'influenced' US elections (they spread rageout PR on both sides)). The more you tend to press how incredibly divided societies are on current political issues, the more they tend to vote structurally conservative. (Just as a small note.)

    edit: Let him explain in his own words. ;)

     
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  14. Elemi

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    Oh yay, we have another arms dealer as our PM.

    Labour would have been an optimal result, merely because they may have done something different to the past 8 years of status quo.
     
  15. arcanine

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    @notimp who do you think is bankrolling big government? Do you really think it is tax payers, who cost governments money in the services they require? Or do you think it might be the corporations who pay trillions in “donations” to governments in exchange for blind eyes being turned to their despicable behaviour towards people, other animals and the environment? You want to know who is in control, look at who is paying the fucking bill.
     
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    I'm not going to argue with you about theoretical frameworks of democracy or any other term (a la "this was/is not real communism, Islam, ..."). I don't care.
    There is no doubt that an international elite is conspiring with many governments to suck dry the common people. It became especially obvious following the 2008 crisis (which made certain people even richer and common people poorer).
    I gradually noticed it in my early 20s. I find it shocking that many common people who are well into their 50s still believe in the illusion and want to spread "democracy" around the world.
     
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  17. FGFlann

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    I don't like them putting chemicals in the water that turn the friggin frogs gay.
     
  18. notimp

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    I'm positive that big government gets payrolled by taxpayers. If you are still campaigning its different. :)

    The video I posted above is properly useful to understand the process, btw. You all are one click away to understanding politics. ;)

    Such a tough ask though.. Click on that video... I mean, you could be watching american gladiators instead.. ;)

    edit: Sponsored by Ogilvy ;)
     
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  19. arcanine

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    Another nice attempt at undermining me. I don’t watch TV, I read. And if you want to believe that an awareness that the planet is being controlled by Exxon Mobil, Monsanto, Unilever, Facebook, Google, Amazon et al represents a misunderstanding of the nature of politics then that is absolutely fine by me. I don’t care, believe what you want. It is just so obvious that it astonishes me that somebody who seems quite intelligent from the way you write cannot (or will not) see it. A YouTube video is not going to counteract the mountains of evidence that government lobbyists are getting their way time and time again thanks to their generous “donations”, and in return are being allowed to conduct themselves appallingly and in ways which take advantage of everybody and everything.
     
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    I mostly watch videos these days. And of course read papers (international spread). Dont hate. :)

    If you are a structurally important company, you get a say in the political process through lobbying. And in the US also through capaign financing (other countries have spending limits). Also you can pay for politicians favors by employing them after their hay day (revolving door). You dont pay them while they are in office though. If you would - that would be structural corruption. Thats illegal.

    Companies are not that dumb. (Not in western political structures.)

    If you are exceedingly dumb - you might lend a private jet to your best friend, political decision maker, and if he's even dumber he might take you up on the offer.

    Watch the video above, read through the https://gbatemp.net/threads/corrupt-politicians-extortion-money.535652/ thread. Thats all thats needed, really.

    edit: Theres also a 'sidejob circuit' that might be seen as aiding structural corruption - but generally speaking companies dont straight up buy (active) politicians in western countries.
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    How is good lobbying done? You create exclusive clubs. You meet people at fancy dinners. You talk about issues. You (company) write law proposals. Maybe you even can finance a few media campaigns. And if you are a structurally important company, you have more access, and your proposals have more weight.

    I make that distinction.
     
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