Hacking Question atmosphere boot

[SjorsMaster]

This forum is just unbelievable. Someone tries to learn, asking for help in a forum that should provide help but instead it's full of people that try to discourage the progress without providing any help.
I'm sure the OP knows the risks, if not, one comment is enough. If you are not able to contribute, just don't post. He is actually trying to learn and help the scene.
It would be great when this community finally recognize they are just leeching scriptkidz, and not a part of the hacking scene.
And no, i'm not talking about the developers posting in this forum. I think their work is amazing and I am very grateful for their hard work (all scenes), but I fully understand when a developer strays away from this place. It's great to post a finished project, but when it comes to progress, this seems to be the last place to go to.

No offense but we’re just trying to prevent him from ruining his device, he stated that he wanted to “debug” it. Looking at his grammar and sentences it probably is a kid.
And he clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing, I see this making a really bad turn really quickly.

 

[JaRocker]

No offense but we’re just trying to prevent him from ruining his device, he stated that he wanted to “debug” it. Looking at his grammar and sentences it probably is a kid.
And he clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing, I see this making a really bad turn really quickly.

So I'm just wondering on a serious note I guess everyone in here started out knowing everything that they know I never made a mistake even after doing research and break something. If I'm not mistaken experiments are call experiments because you don't know what you're doing you're just trying it out to see what happeneds . If anyone in here never broke anything or made a mistake I envy you because I made a lot of mistakes before I learn how to fix anything because just like him I didn't have anyone helping me I have to try and fail before I got it right . Just like the wright brothers everyone thinking that they are going to fail if they had listened to people like you everyone would still be taking ships to go to another country taking days or months to get there if he bricks the switch he still lives to see another day it's not life and death y'all

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I'm not new here even though it seems like I'm new here I'm not I've been comming to this forum from back in the gba days and what I've seem is that people get mad when you ask about tools mod software whatever the get mad if you ask how long it's gonna take the get mad if you ask for a eta the list goes on but how can y'all be made when someone is trying to learn for them self idk maybe I'm missing something here I see a lot of post telling people to wait or they should develop it by myself this kid is trying for himself and y'all have nothing positive to say

 

[mattytrog]

No offense but we’re just trying to prevent him from ruining his device, he stated that he wanted to “debug” it. Looking at his grammar and sentences it probably is a kid.
And he clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing, I see this making a really bad turn really quickly.

Yes. And admirable that notion is too. But we are in the big-wide-interweb. Information is public. People are going to try and do these things. People have to learn from their own mistakes. I`m probably a fossil compared to most people on here and (after many jtags/unbricking/bricking etc) I am still learning. You can take a horse to water...

 

[garyopa]

You know the best way to prevent bricks on Switch, is just to open it up remove the 'eMMC module' your nand, and put it someplace self. (or course still make a full backup of it, before doing that).

Then you can do all the playing around with payloads you like, and none of existing payloads write anything to emmc anyway, unless you count doing commands in linux shell yourself, its basically very safe.

Oh, and removing the emmc module, also makes it easier to launch payloads, since the switch will always boot up in RCM mode when it detects no 32gb nand to launch from!

 

[JaRocker]

You know the best way to prevent bricks on Switch, is just to open it up remove the 'eMMC module' your nand, and put it someplace self. (or course still make a full backup of it, before doing that).

Then you can do all the playing around with payloads you like, and none of existing payloads write anything to emmc anyway, unless you count doing commands in linux shell yourself, its basically very safe.

Oh, and removing the emmc module, also makes it easier to launch payloads, since the switch will always boot up in RCM mode when it detects no 32gb nand to launch from!

Hmm good to know thanks at least someone in here has some helpful info

 

[Creatable]

This forum is just unbelievable. Someone tries to learn, asking for help in a forum that should provide help but instead it's full of people that try to discourage the progress without providing any help.
I'm sure the OP knows the risks, if not, one comment is enough. If you are not able to contribute, just don't post. He is actually trying to learn and help the scene.
It would be great when this community finally recognize they are just leeching scriptkidz, and not a part of the hacking scene.
And no, i'm not talking about the developers posting in this forum. I think their work is amazing and I am very grateful for their hard work (all scenes), but I fully understand when a developer strays away from this place. It's great to post a finished project, but when it comes to progress, this seems to be the last place to go to.

It's unfinished. There is no point to compiling, or booting Atmosphere. It doesn't even go into Horizon at the state it's in. People saying he could brick are stupid, as this runs on emunand and doesn't touch the actual nand, but what I want to imply is this:
There's nothing to help him with.
Sure, he can compile it, but it's not gonna boot into Horizon with it's splash screen and custom loader like it's intended.
It's in development, there's nothing for him to do.
By you allowing him to "learn and help the scene" you're just allowing some impatient asshole on the internet to ask a question that has been answered 1000 times.
It doesn't work, and we will know when it works.
He is one of the "leeching scriptkidz" you mention because he himself can't load something unfinished, and is attempting to. Even if there is something to load (which there is, it's just very unfinished and requires a ton of tweaking) he shouldn't be messing with Atmosphere as it's basically a developer tool right now, or a project that needs development, which is useless to an end user like him.
All and all:
Stop being an impatient prick and wait for the real developers to say it's ready. If they don't announce when it's loadable, some other dickhead will. Don't let some rando get your hopes up and think he's helping the scene while kissing his ass hoping he'll release a working version a few months before official release. That won't happen.

 

[Creatable]

Okay, this is fucking hilarious. The guy who made this thread shows up in the ReSwitched Discord talking about how he successfully compiled Atmosphere and had to remove a warning for it to compile.

"-#define I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING -- and recognize that we will be unable to provide support until it is ready for general usage "
-#error "Fusee is a work-in-progress bootloader, and is not ready for usage yet. If you want to play with it anyway, please #define I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING -- and recognize that we will be unable to provide support until it is ready for general usage "
-
- printk("Warning: Fus\e9e is not yet completed, and not ready for general testing!\n");
- printk("Please do not seek support for it until it is done.\n");"

Instead of doing what the warning said, he removed it all together which disables the error because the error doesn't exist anymore.
Any developer (like what he claims to be) could've defined it.
He also proceeded to ask for support for Atmosphere in the ReSwitched Discord... Just like the warning told him not to.
At this point you shouldn't get your hopes up that this guy will successfully get anything working as he's not a developer in any way.
The only way that this would work out is if someone decides to help him (which is unlikely, and if so he'll disobey) or if someone gives him a fully compiled and working Atmosphere (which doesn't exist).
All in all, just wait till the thing releases for fucks sake.

 

[ManuelKoegler]

Okay, this is fucking hilarious. The guy who made this thread shows up in the ReSwitched Discord talking about how he successfully compiled Atmosphere and had to remove a warning for it to compile.

"-#define I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING -- and recognize that we will be unable to provide support until it is ready for general usage "
-#error "Fusee is a work-in-progress bootloader, and is not ready for usage yet. If you want to play with it anyway, please #define I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING -- and recognize that we will be unable to provide support until it is ready for general usage "
-
- printk("Warning: Fus\e9e is not yet completed, and not ready for general testing!\n");
- printk("Please do not seek support for it until it is done.\n");"

Instead of doing what the warning said, he removed it all together which disables the error because the error doesn't exist anymore.
Any developer (like what he claims to be) could've defined it.
He also proceeded to ask for support for Atmosphere in the ReSwitched Discord... Just like the warning told him not to.
At this point you shouldn't get your hopes up that this guy will successfully get anything working.

Finally someone speaking with sense here, thank you!
I’m all for positive reinforcement but as I’ve said earlier in the thread this isn’t the place to start honing your crafts, especially not for a 12 year old who probably doesn’t yet have a job and thus was probably gifted the switch for his bday. I don’t think he, or otherwise his parents, would appreciate if he breaks his only switch beyond repair and he’s veering dangerously close right now ignoring advise and getting encouraged to keep doing what he wants by others, moreso disturbing the devs which said they’d provide no support for something as of yet unfinished.
If he wants to code, let him have some fun working on something less potentially damaging to his hardware. Redirect him to the switchbru dns thread and tell him where to start coding html before throwing him into the deep low level code.
TLR; Time to call it quits


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[Imancol]

Stary messages:

"for anyone rushing in and testing because "sd card works": lots of other stuff doesn't!"
"it's also slow as hell!"
"just wait"

 

[softwareengineer]

#define FUUUZAY_GELLAY_ATMOSPHERAY_STRATOSPHEREYYY printk("Note: Fus\e9e Gel\e9e Atmosph\e9re Stratosph\e9re \x13\x33\x37 is almost there! I want to give thanks to all contributors involved in making this happen!\n");
if(strcmpk(CFW, "CUSTOM FIRMWARÈE") == 0)
{
FUUUZAY_GELLAY_ATMOSPHERAY_STRATOSPHEREYYY //
}

Wait I don't understand french though, does the atmosphère and stratosphère because they have the accent like fusèe gelèe, are they pronounced in the same way? ^^above the pronunciation I think is maybe accurate. I mean no disrepect to french people for the above, just having fun with the pronunciation of the name, it is a cool name after all. I wasn't liking it at first, but it has grown on me and now I love it! And I'm being genuine about my thanks to every and all contributors to the exploit and cfw project!

Also I respond to the switch brickers, noting garyopa's response I'll say: You guys must believe the switch is so fragile, that you can so easily brick it. I'm trying to step into your thought process-> You must think that there's a million lines of code that will instantly brick the switch and make it totally unrecoverable from that brick while there's only 1 line of code that will do the right thing and not brick. That's not true actually though, that's not the way it works, that's not how any of this works. You could play around with code INTENTIONALLY trying to brick the switch and probably would have difficulty in even trying to purposely do it. And like garyopa said, you could remove the nand entirely and still have a functioning switch. Hell some people might remove their nands and once avail launch custom firmware directly from sd never needing the nand at all.(actually probably not any real good reason to lose the sysnand, but just exemplifying the point that the switch is an unbrickable system now that we have basically become the switch factory and have the same access to the system that they do, they are no longer above us, the playing field has been leveled.) Linux already works like this, it loads from the sd not the nand and unless you do the reverse dd command (with input file and output file [if/of] swapped from nand to disk to disk to nand) you still aren't touching the nand. So even if you wrecked the data on or removed the nand, you could still run linux on it, or custom firmware with emunand only with absent sysnand (well it depends on if they make the emunand dependent upon having a sysnand present). Do you guys know any other device that's also unbrickable like this? It's kind of a rare thing that we get this low level of access for any device. So low that nearly the only way to brick it, is to smash it with a real brick!

By the way for dd, if coreutils v8.24 or higher, you can add " status=progress" at the end of the command for progress indication instead of just a blank prompt until it's done, that's been helpful to me whenever using it, you use to have to use something like pipeviewer (pv) and pipe it to it to get the progress (which obviously slowed it down a bit in exchange for getting progress status, but with it built in that's no longer the case)

 

[HamBone41801]

You know the best way to prevent bricks on Switch, is just to open it up remove the 'eMMC module' your nand, and put it someplace self. (or course still make a full backup of it, before doing that).

Then you can do all the playing around with payloads you like, and none of existing payloads write anything to emmc anyway, unless you count doing commands in linux shell yourself, its basically very safe.

Oh, and removing the emmc module, also makes it easier to launch payloads, since the switch will always boot up in RCM mode when it detects no 32gb nand to launch from!

that's actually really interesting. how is the chip installed? is it soldered in or is it socketed?

 

[Nincompoopdo]

No offense but we’re just trying to prevent him from ruining his device, he stated that he wanted to “debug” it. Looking at his grammar and sentences it probably is a kid.
And he clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing, I see this making a really bad turn really quickly.

It's Syndrome from The Incredibles. He just wants to help, don't turned him into a villain.

 

[mattytrog]

that's actually really interesting. how is the chip installed? is it soldered in or is it socketed?

It is socketed. Seems to be same pinout etc as an odroid SBC emmc. As soon as I find my odroid emmc I`ll be testing this. Now, if the emmc chips are different, they may ID differently and not work. Completely untested all this (mine is buried in my workshop/radio shack somewhere). If anyone has a 32gb emmc module for an odroid, try writing nand to it, clipping it on and booting it...

 

[Creatable]

#define FUUUZAY_GELLAY_ATMOSPHERAY_STRATOSPHEREYYY printk("Note: Fus\e9e Gel\e9e Atmosph\e9re Stratosph\e9re \x13\x33\x37 is almost there! I want to give thanks to all contributors involved in making this happen!\n");
if(strcmpk(CFW, "CUSTOM FIRMWARÈE") == 0)
{
FUUUZAY_GELLAY_ATMOSPHERAY_STRATOSPHEREYYY //
}

Wait I don't understand french though, does the atmosphère and stratosphère because they have the accent like fusèe gelèe, are they pronounced in the same way? ^^above the pronunciation I think is maybe accurate. I mean no disrepect to french people for the above, just having fun with the pronunciation of the name, it is a cool name after all. I wasn't liking it at first, but it has grown on me and now I love it! And I'm being genuine about my thanks to every and all contributors to the exploit and cfw project!

Also I respond to the switch brickers, noting garyopa's response I'll say: You guys must believe the switch is so fragile, that you can so easily brick it. I'm trying to step into your thought process-> You must think that there's a million lines of code that will instantly brick the switch and make it totally unrecoverable from that brick while there's only 1 line of code that will do the right thing and not brick. That's not true actually though, that's not the way it works, that's not how any of this works. You could play around with code INTENTIONALLY trying to brick the switch and probably would have difficulty in even trying to purposely do it. And like garyopa said, you could remove the nand entirely and still have a functioning switch. Hell some people might remove their nands and once avail launch custom firmware directly from sd never needing the nand at all.(actually probably not any real good reason to lose the sysnand, but just exemplifying the point that the switch is an unbrickable system now that we have basically become the switch factory and have the same access to the system that they do, they are no longer above us, the playing field has been leveled.) Linux already works like this, it loads from the sd not the nand and unless you do the reverse dd command (with input file and output file [if/of] swapped from nand to disk to disk to nand) you still aren't touching the nand. So even if you wrecked the data on or removed the nand, you could still run linux on it, or custom firmware with emunand only with absent sysnand (well it depends on if they make the emunand dependent upon having a sysnand present). Do you guys know any other device that's also unbrickable like this? It's kind of a rare thing that we get this low level of access for any device. So low that nearly the only way to brick it, is to smash it with a real brick!

By the way for dd, if coreutils v8.24 or higher, you can add " status=progress" at the end of the command for progress indication instead of just a blank prompt until it's done, that's been helpful to me whenever using it, you use to have to use something like pipeviewer (pv) and pipe it to it to get the progress (which obviously slowed it down a bit in exchange for getting progress status, but with it built in that's no longer the case)

It's honestly incredibly easy to make something to brick a Switch from just a Fusee payload.
You can burn all the fuses, format and remove everything, the list goes on and on.
The chance that something like Atmosphere would do this is slim to none, however a random guy compiling Atmosphere could put it in anywhere.
That's why we don't trust random people's payloads until they are confirmed to be good.
Just be cautious, this is some really low level shit, use payloads that are confirmed.

 

[Imancol]

they speak Chinese

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It's honestly incredibly easy to make something to brick a Switch from just a Fusee payload.
You can burn all the fuses, format and remove everything, the list goes on and on.
The chance that something like Atmosphere would do this is slim to none, however a random guy compiling Atmosphere could put it in anywhere.
That's why we don't trust random people's payloads until they are confirmed to be good.
Just be cautious, this is some really low level shit, use payloads that are confirmed.

You are God to call anyone shit ?.

 

[Deleted User]

No offense but we’re just trying to prevent him from ruining his device, he stated that he wanted to “debug” it. Looking at his grammar and sentences it probably is a kid.
And he clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing, I see this making a really bad turn really quickly.

He dont have any knowlege somebody must be a nut head to try his compiles

 

[DarkenSX]

No. None are able to boot it, but we are able to run it.

If you compile the source you can run it via Fusee, but it will not boot into Horizon, SciresM used some unknown wizardry to get it working, but that's not part of the build and will not be.

"wizardry" = Sacrificing one's soul and a goat to Toby Keith annnd quite possibly "Butt Stuff" as SciresM did say "Been doing some gross things to get it to boot"