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The 14 characteristics of Fascism

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  • Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

  • Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

  • Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

  • Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

  • Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

  • Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

  • Obsession with National Security
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

  • Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

  • Corporate Power is Protected
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

  • Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

  • Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

  • Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

  • Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

  • Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
 

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  • Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
No, this is universal to any regime that engages in warfare or defense (any healthy system really). As Machiavelli said, mercs rob you in peace times and leave you in war times.

By this definition The USA of the 30s was facist, complete nonsense.
  • Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
This also applies any system. Any system that holds power will do whatever it needs to do to stay in power. What this Dr. dos is just a competition of pointing fingers. Any government unable or unwilling to act against the enemy of their populus will eventually loose power. Human rights is an abstraction that has been used to justify the most horrific acts ever. As a government it is not your obligation to rule over the world, your populus is your concern.
  • Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
  • The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
This has inherently nothing to do with facism. Any healthy government will act against a preceived common thread.
  • Supremacy of the Military
  • Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
Has nothing to do with facism.
  • Rampant Sexism
  • The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
This is also universal thoughout history. Even the outwardly presented political figures of todays western world are increasingly percived as actors rather than decision makers.
  • Controlled Mass Media
  • Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
Has nothing to do with facism. A facist government officially declares to take control of institutions.
  • Obsession with National Security
  • Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Has nothing to do with facism.
  • Religion and Government are Intertwined
  • Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions
Has nothing to do with facism in particular. There are some systems that try to force their doctrin on the people, but any intelligent leadership will work with what is popular.
  • Corporate Power is Protected
  • The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
This is acurate.
  • Labor Power is Suppressed
  • Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
Has nothing to do with facism.
  • Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
  • Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
Has nothing to do with facism.
  • Obsession with Crime and Punishment
  • Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
This has nothing to do with facism
  • Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
  • Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
Has nothing to do with facism. In fact Mussolini kicked out the mafia in Italy that was in power before.
  • Fraudulent Elections
  • Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Has nothing to do with facism.

We need to raise the standards of academic contributions.
 

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You could've just said "nuh-uh" and left it at that, as that's the extent of your argument here. This is a list created by highly-educated historians and scholars, and it's been around for decades. You'd need to write a whole Masters Dissertation in an attempt to refute it, and odds are you'd fail in that goal anyway.
 

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Daddy Bolsonaro needs to be defended.

So he's brazilian, that might explain it. Public education is massively defunded in Brazil, because of elites that accumulated wealth for themselves and engaged in massive cronyism and nepotism. This gave rise to a vicious cycle of confusion about basic meanings, groupthink, and debates in the public sphere being won by whoever is louder.
 
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He may pass as an intellectual authority these days, but that doesnt mean much. His words speak for themselves.
They do, and rather authoritatively. Every single one of these was a factor in the lead up to the Nazis' takeover of Germany. If you recognize any of them as being prevalent in your country, reflexively denying reality is not gonna help matters, only make them worse.
 

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These elements are shared amongst many ideologies, including communism.

The Bolshevicks, Stalin, Mao, Castro were all nationalists, they disregarded human rights for the "greater good", they created enemies (rich people) as a unifying cause, and communists dictators do enjoy a military parade.

I can't really name a female or trans communist leader in all of history.

Communists have to control the media. Pravda anyone? Xinhua?

Every single leader of a country needs to worry about national security. What do you think the Cold War was all about?

Communists' religion is government, so you can't get anymore intertwined than that.

Communists tend to destroy private enterprise and therefore innovation.

The common laborer has no upward mobility in a communist country unless he is favored by the party.

Look at communist art and architecture. It's horrible and drab.

A national police force, like say the FBI?

Any totalitarian government will be filled with cronyism and corruption. That's universal.

Communists only have one election to vote them in. Afterwards, they just do away with them and rule.

So all in all, this "14 steps to being a fascist" is really a generic list that can describe any totalitarian government, but I get what the op is trying to. It just comes across as weak and ineffective.
 

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I love how someone pointing out that we are going down an obvious Fascist path always ends up with post containing the ol’ reliable
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Because trying to control the conversation with the same talking points is all Conservatives and Fascists have
 

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I love how someone pointing out that we are going down an obvious Fascist path always ends up with post containing the ol’ reliable
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Because trying to control the conversation with the same talking points is all Conservatives and Fascists have
I agree we are on an obvious path to fascism. Look at who is in charge right now.

Try refuting the "talking points". You can't. You know the communist death count dwarfs any other group. You want to excuse it somehow, but you know you can't. Instead you seethe and rage against anybody who points out facts about the over 100 million communists have murdered in just the 20th century alone.
 

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Extreme amount of cope
You realize this was written in 2003 studying all previous facist regimes by a well accepted political scientist. This isn't some random hit piece. I'm not going to even attempt to counter ever "nuh uh" statement since it's cope. And a lot of it. I don't think some random person on the internet is magically going to know more than someone who specializes in their own field, and was accepted in that field.
 

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I bet for many of you, you've been deeply bothered. Why? Because a figure in recent memory perfectly matches it. all 14.
They are the following
  1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.


    "Make American Great Again" Matches patriotic motto.
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    Flag condition matched. Then of course you have the bumper stickers and hats.

  2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.


    Support of removal abortion. Plain and simple. Republican party can dress it up as "states rights" but within their states, they removed that right.

  3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


    "Back the Blue!"
    as a response to BLM
    "The illegals are out to rape, kill, and take your benefits crossing the boarder illegally. We must build a wall!"
    As a dog whistle against Mexicans.
    "ANTIFA did X"
    As a scapegoat for Jan6th
    (insert CRT comment. Or Transphobia)
    We also know this rehetroic drives people to kill, or injure, see the 31. White nationalists/facists who wanted to injure people at a Pride parade)


  4. Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.


    I don't need to explain this one. What country and what is the thing we spend the most on answers it.


  5. Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.


    Self explanatory, and already a given. Remember when trans people were banned from the military? and or still being denied health care services?

  6. Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.


    Trump: All the news is fake news except the news I agree with. Go watch whatever I say you should watch

  7. Obsession with National Security
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.


    See border security in point 3.

  8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.



    supreme court eroding the separation of church and state. And Trump doing photo ops with bible.

  9. Corporate Power is Protected
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.



    Trump and co providing tax breaks and cuts for the rich, while only temporarily providing tax cuts for poor, raising them further.

  10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .



    (Trump is) Anti union.

  11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.


    See lack of funding schools and teachers by Republican party

  12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.


    LAW and ORDER!
    Says the party who is now whining about the FBI they setup.

  13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.


    See Trump's ally's asking for pardons on jan6th.

  14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.


    See jan6th
 
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By this definition The USA of the 30s was facist, complete nonsense.
funny that you mention that
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-1930s-america-and-might-spread-again-today/
Because it indeed was. The only reason it didn't fall into complete fascism then, was when I believe it was Texas was being threatened to be reclaimed. Caught via enemy communications. Which pissed the United States government off (besides also pearl harbor)
otherwise we were closely buddy buddy. Don't believe me?
Ford, General Motors, Coca-Cola.
Coca-Cola created Fanta in support of Germany. Ford was open about him being a Anti Semite and struck a deal with Germany. General Motors didn't stop production in Germany, and instead created a deal with the Nazi government.
Still don't believe me?
What is the core underpinning belief under Hitler?
That the "Aryan" race was superior. But not just that, those that were Jewish were inferior. Not by religion. But by genetics.

The United States had the same dogma coursing through it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

there's a lot more Comparisons I can make.

However this underpins a point.
Capitalism thus Corporations have no moral compass, they only abide to money. There is nothing to stop that corporation from supporting a truly morally disgusting group or government. The people who work for them cannot stop the gears, either at risk because of the Fascist government dictating what should be done, and as such direct bullet to the head for not complying. Or at the hand of the capitalist arms through starvation and lack of housing.
We need to switch away from capitalism, strength democracy entirely, away from what is essentially become a mix of a theocracy(religion) and plutocracy (wealthy) and what's left of a dried out democratic system.
back onto the track of a actual democracy. The electoral collage system needs to be removed. We need to support a ranked choice system, and remove money out of politics entirely. As Capitalism by nature is not democratic, it's tilted to fascism before, and it WILL do it again.
 

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@Creamu
Further more if these 14 characteristics don't do it for you. There's another alive political scientist who is alive. And he identifies the same thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Paxton

in his 1998 paper "The Five Stages of Fascism," he suggests that fascism cannot be defined solely by its ideology, since fascism is a complex political phenomenon rather than a relatively coherent body of doctrine like communism or socialism. Instead, he focuses on fascism's political context and functional development. The article identifies five paradigmatic stages of a fascist movement, although he notes that only Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy progressed through all five:

Intellectual exploration, where disillusionment with popular democracy manifests itself in discussions of lost national vigor
Rooting, where a fascist movement, aided by political deadlock and polarization, becomes a player on the national stage
Arrival to power, where conservatives seeking to control rising leftist opposition invite fascists to share power
Exercise of power, where the movement and its charismatic leader control the state in balance with state institutions such as the police and traditional elites such as the clergy and business magnates.
Radicalization or entropy, where the state either becomes increasingly radical, as did Nazi Germany, or slips into traditional authoritarian rule, as did Fascist Italy.[12]

In his 2004 book The Anatomy of Fascism, Paxton refines his five-stage model and puts forward the following definition for fascism:

Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.[13]

In 2021, Paxton wrote an op-ed for Newsweek in which he stated that he now believed Donald Trump was a fascist, after insisting for several years that he was instead a right-wing populist. Trump's incitement of the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol was the deciding factor in him changing his view.[14]
It's not by happen chance that two models fit, let alone the creator of the second model saying the exact same thing.
I'm looking for his refined version and will put it down.
I found the book in question https://files.libcom.org/files/Robert O. Paxton-The Anatomy of Fascism -Knopf (2004).pdf
I recommend giving it a read.
 
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You realize this was written in 2003 studying all previous facist regimes by a well accepted political scientist.
I guess science is about appeals to authority rather than engaging with arguments. Oh well...
This isn't some random hit piece.
It is a mouthpiece. The amount of a**kissing that gets you into high positions of academia for quite a while now is of the charts.
I'm not going to even attempt to counter ever "nuh uh" statement since it's cope.
Write that as the first sentence the next time, it makes it easy to dismiss you.
And a lot of it. I don't think some random person on the internet is magically going to know more than someone who specializes in their own field, and was accepted in that field.
These instutions are their for your service, they want to inform you about what is going on in the world and then... profit.
Ah, so name me the figure heads of 1930s american facism then.
The only reason it didn't fall into complete fascism then,
So not fascist okay.
was when I believe it was Texas was being threatened to be reclaimed. Caught via enemy communications. Which pissed the United States government off (besides also pearl harbor)
The United States government was quite happy pearl harbor happened.
otherwise we were closely buddy buddy. Don't believe me?
Ford, General Motors, Coca-Cola.
Coca-Cola created Fanta in support of Germany. Ford was open about him being a Anti Semite and struck a deal with Germany.
Germany was national socialist not fascist,. Anti semitism is not a form of government. Ford did help the bolsheviks (about 85% jewish government while under 2% of the population) get their economy going. Those poor guys couldn't even manage to build a tractor on their own.
General Motors didn't stop production in Germany, and instead created a deal with the Nazi government.
Still don't believe me?
What is the core underpinning belief under Hitler?
That the "Aryan" race was superior.
But not just that, those that were Jewish were inferior. Not by religion. But by genetics.
There were alot of Jews in high positions in national socialist germany.
The United States had the same dogma coursing through it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States
The united states had far more developed eugenics programs than anyone. Where did they all go after the war? Japan. Eugenics is not fascism.
there's a lot more Comparisons I can make.

However this underpins a point.
Capitalism thus Corporations have no moral compass, they only abide to money.
No, money is only one of their mechanisms it is always about power.
There is nothing to stop that corporation from supporting a truly morally disgusting group or government.
It is the other way around, morally disgusting use every tool in ther toolbox corporate structures are one of them.
The people who work for them cannot stop the gears, either at risk because of the Fascist government dictating what should be done, and as such direct bullet to the head for not complying.
What exactly are you talking about here?
Or at the hand of the capitalist arms through starvation and lack of housing.
We need to switch away from capitalism, strength democracy entirely, away from what is essentially become a mix of a theocracy(religion) and plutocracy (wealthy) and what's left of a dried out democratic system.
back onto the track of a actual democracy.
What if people come to an agreement and want one leader, because they are fed up with devisions (parties)?
The electoral collage system needs to be removed. We need to support a ranked choice system, and remove money out of politics entirely. As Capitalism by nature is not democratic, it's tilted to fascism before, and it WILL do it again.
The problem with that is that this plutocratic government will have a hard time going fascist, because that would imply that they would openly take charge, and most people will not accept them as legitimate.
@Creamu
Further more if these 14 characteristics don't do it for you. There's another alive political scientist who is alive. And he identifies the same thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Paxton
I don't care, make a good argument or leave the academic institutions. You proprose alot of changes, and to be honest with you I would like you as a leading figure far more than what we have now, even without knowing you. Let's just say the academic institutions are not filled with people curious for knowledge but curious for kissing a**es. Would you kick them out?
 

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I guess science is about appeals to authority rather than engaging with arguments. Oh well...
That's not how science works. It works by consensus, so when I said "Well accepted" that meant that the census also agreed.
It is a mouthpiece. The amount of a**kissing that gets you into high positions of academia for quite a while now is of the charts.
Your spouting a anti education stance. That's a trait of fascism.
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Germany was national socialist not fascist
How about you do the required reading before saying that sentence again after I have corrected you now 3 times with 3 different sources and evidence.

From the book of the anatomy of fascism page 10.
Another supposed essential character of fascism is its anticapitalist,
antibourgeois animus. Early fascist movements flaunted their contempt
for bourgeois values and for those who wanted only “to earn money,
money, filthy money.”36 They attacked “international finance capitalism”
almost as loudly as they attacked socialists. They even promised to expro-
priate department-store owners in favor of patriotic artisans, and large
landowners in favor of peasants.37
Whenever fascist parties acquired power, however, they did nothing
to carry out these anticapitalist threats. By contrast, they enforced with the
utmost violence and thoroughness their threats against socialism. Street
fights over turf with young communists were among their most powerful
propaganda images.38 Once in power, fascist regimes banned strikes, dis-
solved independent labor unions, lowered wage earners’ purchasing power,
and showered money on armaments industries, to the immense satisfac-
tion of employers. Faced with these conflicts between words and actions
concerning capitalism, scholars have drawn opposite conclusions. Some,
taking the words literally, consider fascism a form of radical anticapital-
ism. 39 Others, and not only Marxists, take the diametrically opposite posi-
tion that fascists came to the aid of capitalism in trouble, and propped up
by emergency means the existing system of property distribution and
social hierarchy.


This book takes the position that what fascists did tells us at least
as much as what they said. What they said cannot be ignored, of course,
for it helps explain their appeal. Even at its most radical, however, fas-
cists’ anticapitalist rhetoric was selective. While they denounced specula-
tive international finance (along with all other forms of internationalism,
cosmopolitanism, or globalization—capitalist as well as socialist), they
respected the property of national producers, who were to form the social
base of the reinvigorated nation.40 When they denounced the bour-
geoisie, it was for being too flabby and individualistic to make a nation
strong, not for robbing workers of the value they added. What they criti-
cized in capitalism was not its exploitation but its materialism, its indif-
ference to the nation, its inability to stir souls.41 More deeply, fascists
rejected the notion that economic forces are the prime movers of history.


IF it was again, supposedly true it was socialist, why on earth would they do capitalistic polices. The core part of socialism defanging and transitioning away from capitalism. Not doubling down, not going after unions.
I don't care, make a good argument
I have been making good arguments, I've been giving you all the resources I possibly can on the subject and basing my arguments around them with utt most honestly to the subject. I cannot change YOUR mind if your unwilling to change it. I do not have to uphold to YOUR standards, which seems to be based on how you feel about the subject, and not any facts towards it. instead of listening to the people who's core field of study is this thing, you choosing to close your ears and say "nuh uh"
I cannot fix that for you, nor is it possible for me to reason with you. How am I supposed to reason with someone who's argument essentially is "Education is just kissing ass, it's all fake"
Let's just say the academic institutions are not filled with people curious for knowledge but curious for kissing a**es. Would you kick them out?
How I'm I supposed to respond to that? There's no evidence, nothing, that would change your mind.

The problem with that is that this plutocratic government will have a hard time going fascist, because that would imply that they would openly take charge, and most people will not accept them as legitimate.
It is the other way around, morally disgusting use every tool in ther toolbox corparte structures are one of them.
Which one is it Creamu?
Because you just made a statements that contradicted themselves.

If money is power, or a "tool" in your own words. What's stopping a Plutocratic government from going fascist. Because openly taking charge, and people not accepting them as legitimate doesn't matter. Fascist take power by force, and are more than willing to use arms to kill.
Look at the Republican party, and their constant defense and praise of the 2nd amendment, look at the proudboys for fuck sakes, who were armed in January 6th.

This going to be my second last response to you. Since I'm getting the strong feeling that logic and facts is no longer of importance to you.
 

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