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Citing Wikipedia in any grade school or college paper will earn you a failing grade, every time.
Addressing people as miserable little pissants would also get me a failing grade, so I guess it's a good thing this isn't a fucking paper.

It should also be noted that Wikipedia is the greatest compendium of information known to exist on the planet. We don't cite it in papers because it's a compendium of sources and not a primary source, not because it's somehow unreliable or inaccurate.

Be sure to let me know if/when you decide to actually add something of substance to the discourse. Piss off until then.
 

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Addressing people as miserable little pissants would also get me a failing grade, so I guess it's a good thing this isn't a fucking paper.

It should also be noted that Wikipedia is the greatest compendium of information known to exist on the planet. We don't cite it in papers because it's a compendium of sources and not a primary source, not because it's somehow unreliable or inaccurate.

Be sure to let me know if/when you decide to actually add something of substance to the discourse. Piss off until then.
Yes, Wikipedia is so great - that anyone can edit its pages at any time to say anything regardless of how factual it actually is.
Which is precisely why it's banned in papers.

Your massive coping and your foul language suggest I'm over the target.

Not that I'll convince you regardless.
 

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First of all I am positioned counter to the conservative position.
You come off as an "enlightened centrist" a lot more often than not while sniping at the left, which is absolutely ally to the conservative position... which is why you get those folks flocking to your threads rather often.
Yascha Mounk is as mainstream academic source as you can possibly get.
He's a bit of a weird duck shifting from democratic socialist to off-nationalist, but I'll yield that he is a better starting point than some of your other threads. My generation seems to shift positions alot.
I am a centrist in so far that I want the will of the peoples of this planet reflected in their own governments. This excludes of course international merchants that want to benifit from rooted people against their interests. In this sense I am an absolute centrist.
We all know, comrade. You've made it very clear.
We live in outrageous times.
Agreed.
Can you demonstrate this for me, I don't know what you mean.

Are you saying I want to derail my own threads?
You're the one who lead Lacius down the odd rabbit hole of "the Dems DID take out one political rival!" and then tried to justify it with "the USA does tons of bad stuff! They made the bomb and used it, after all!" as though it turns the situation on its head as simply as that. Most world conflicts aren't completely black and white, but holy hell, that was a RIDE to watch you try and victimize the Nazis.

I agree. I did anticipate that whatever ones perspective on my take was, that it would be met with humour (in retrospect obviously a miscalculation on my part). While there should be place in threads for humour and excursions, it is important to respect the structual integrity of a thread. As I saw that explaining my position wasn't going to get back on topic any time soon I aborted the discussion.
I'd have more respect for you if you just nutted up and accepted you made a mistake with a bad take, rather than "aborting the discussion".
 
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yeah but that's not enough to classify humans into races.

Biologically speaking, race mixing can hav very detrimental results, just look at dogs with multiple breeds and how they have all sorts of problems. This doesn't happen with humans, the result of a white human breeding with a black human is another perfectly normal human being.

Also, biologically speaking, the manifestation of racial traits implies such race is indeed the one you'd observe genetically, but this again doesn't happen with humans, you can have extremely black people who happen to be genetically european, or white people who happen to be genetically african. You can look like one race, but be genetically built like another.

This is because there's no such thing as human races, we only have one race, and lots of different genetic makeup that may or may not determine how we look like depending on which genes are dominant and which aren't.
Just tagging this one in here for the giggles, holy cow is there some olympic level mental gymnastics going on here. Going back to SMF's post and your prior reply too, you're saying CRT is bad because race doesn't even exist at all? Wow... I wish someone had told non-white folk that before slavery, genocide of natives in the Americas on the whole, Jim Crow laws, the Holocaust, etc!

Even if the genetic component of race is not very viable, there is obviously a cultural concept of race that has been and still is quite active.

- No they don't need to overthrow an election, they just steal it with fake mail-in ballots, like the ones my cuban family received despite not being citizens.
Cute anecdote, but investigations have largely proven this to not only be wrong, but a lot of voter fraud was actually attempted by the conservatives (not even including the textbook voter intimidation tactics everywhere). Even when working on that election myself, we were subjected to constant public harassment from one particular party, but I'm proud to say our county was very professional in the face of adversity. Side note, even if your cuban relatives did receive mail-in ballots, they couldn't have used them without being registered in the system.

- Fascism is not right-wing or left-wing, classifying fascism as right-wing when Mussilini himself used Lenin's 1917 revolution as an example of fascism, stupidity much?. Someone uses words without knowing what they mean...
Anyhow, Mussolini, the father of fascism and a well known radical socialist, would be very happy to see that you are one of his most advanced students.
Fun fact: Mussolini was expelled from the Italian Socialist Party prior to taking power, at which point his allies spoke out against the teachings of Marx. He may have used the socialist title to gather power, but his methods were far from any sort of socialism anybody would take seriously, including the Italians he butchered! He was a nationalist, and a fan of Pluto's "The Republic" (uh oh...) and saw other countries as enemies to the Italian economy. Hell, by the end of everything, his party was called the "Partito Fascista Repubblicano", aka the FASCIST REPUBLICAN PARTY! Kinda telling, no? He was also then shot by communists. OOPS, they must have targeted one of their own! :gun:

Seriously, stop being willfully ignorant and malicious. NOBODY wants a police state of murder-censors, save maybe some religious zealots. This is extremely true of the racial minorities and the left as a whole, but Neo-Nazis do seem to still affiliate with a party that has done a lot to promote them in recent years...

- Anyone who is right-wing, conservative or christian. You literally go around saying that everyone in these groups must be eliminated from society, and you use false flag attacks and accuse them of violence (where there's none) to justify this extermination. Exactly like Hitler did to get rid of his opposition.
Nobody has called for your death, comrade. Nobody has attempted your murder, least of all leftists from this form, and you're not hiding in an attic from Joe Bidin's deathstrike drones. Also as he was allies with the above, surprise surprise Hitler was extremely right-wing.

- That's not objectively true. Unless you have a list of every lie ever said by every president, in which case you'd find yourself having to point fingers in your direction too. Now I'm not saying Trump never lied, I'm not a cultist like you who would suck it up to a politician, that's just sad. But you can't say "this is the most lying president ever" and be taken seriously with such a childish statement. Also we all know how much the left hates the truth, you've already lied a few times in this thread and you keep lying despite people calling you out on your bullshit. You guys can't even stand basic truths such as the fact that only women can get pregnant, and you dare call the other side liers? You manipulate information and change history and definitions to fit your truthless ideals. You even behave like Grade A fascists while calling others fascists, which is exactly what the fascists (Hitler and Mussolini) did to gain power.
Nobody here has said that the left is innocent of any wrongdoing at any point in time ever. I'm fairly certain most leftists in this forum are rather dissatisfied with Democratic leadership on the whole! This doesn't mean, however, that they are "just as bad". There is no equivalency here, the conservative party has dropped the pretext and embraced totalitarianism. Several key figures have called for a theocratic approach to the law, the rights of women and minorities have been attacked, and Trump is a self admitted sexual assailant amidst a crowd of high ranking right wing sexual assailants.

Also, as mentioned above... Mussolini's party was literally the "Fascist Republican Party", so... kinda hard to not call him a Fascist when he did it himself. Its right there, before "Republican Party" for some reason. Get rekt.

- The democratic party held power for 8 years after that piece of shit Bush fucked shit up in the middle east. What did you guys do to fix the issue? Oh right, bomb the hell out of them. More drone strikes were issues by Obama than any republican president, but hey they gave him the Nobel Peace Prize (they gave it to Hitler too though...).
Then came in Trump with historical paece treaties between Isreal and Saudi Arabia, and historical peace treaties between North and South Korea. What is Biden doing with that again? Oh right, there's bombings in Gaza again, and there's also bombings in the Korean border again.
Considering the horrible human rights violations in Israel and Saudi Arabia, I think I speak for most folk when I say it wasn't the best look nor the best decision to negotiate with them or Putin.

Again, most leftists were plenty appalled by Obama, quite a few of us don't think he should have even been nominated for a Nobel prize, but he was still small potatoes to what came before and after. Bad is not the same as worse. Also, Hitler was only nominated posthumously as a joke, so... wrong again?

With respect, you sound like an iliteraly braindead amoeba.
Said the pot to the very patient school teacher~
 

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What point? I don't believe I was replying to you.
I wouldn't care if you were, I was using you to point out that Cemu's threads attract a rather nasty crowd.

So you are okay with your side causing violence, as long as - and since it's - "not a coup"?
Are you claiming that injustice is better than "insurrection"? Do you actually want injustice?

Or if you are actually against injustice, do you believe it is "just" to burn down or vandalize the neighborhoods of innocent people in response to political issues?
Depends on the situation, but yeah violence itself isn't some sort of ultimate evil. The Antifa movement had plenty of good reasons to riot, and while the loss of life is always tragic, the lack of justice for decades is more to blame than anything. It sucks that it got to that point, but quiet protests were not enough to draw due attention.

That being said, the insurrection was in response to a small group of extremists committing a knowing act of treason under a false pretense. Those dumb clucks WISH they had Antifa's numbers and righteousness behind them, but so it goes... To jail in larger quantities, with any luck.

To be fair, I've no objections to Antifa members guilty of crimes being subject to the law either, as they did disrupt the peace and brought a bad look to a largely peaceful movement, even if it was understandable as to why.

How so? What does this mean?
Who exactly is "far left" or "far right"? What if someone is neither?
Or is it whichever side you are on are "the good guys" and anyone who disagrees with you are "the bad guys"?
This isn't as difficult as you make it out to be. I don't care about somebody's politics or religion until it is used as a cudgel against others. Trump supporters who wear stupid shirts and spam forums with silly rants? Annoying, but harmless. Supporters of the march in Charlottesville who were accessories to murder and spoke out against Jewish individuals? Bad guys with a bad cause. Antifa members who needlessly burned down buildings out of frustration? Bad guys with a good cause. @TraderPatTX insisting that women who have abortions are murderers and that he knows better than they do about how their bodies function? Bad guy who needs to unplug for a couple years.

See? Simple. The left and right stuff comes from more intricate political views, and I can enjoy some boxing with good faith actors about social policy, but bad isn't hard to understand.

Oh, now it makes sense.
You just wanted to have the thread go off-topic, and me calling it out made you mad.
This goes back to my opening statement with you. I wasn't the one who derailed the topic to compare the ills of Democrats to Nazis, I just felt it bad taste for the one who did so to switch gears just because he wasn't getting the sorts of reactions he seemed to be looking for when he did it.
 

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Social constructs are real, so if I think I am right then that's all that matters. BLM would have done better to target DC than to target their own neighbors, but then they'd be committing a horrible crime of threatening democracy--the same crime that every government commits right before being destabilized (then "saved") by America. Apparently American propaganda is the best propaganda, but those who swallow it whole don't recognize their own supreme nationalism. "Being ugly is noble" as long as you have something to be angry about. This thread really does attract nasty people. Look what you did @Creamu !
 

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What would you propose as a solution?
Just keep letting them embarrass themselves with their baseless conspiracy theories, hate-filled rhetoric, and their propaganda built upon lies... Their house of cards won't stand long. It's already losing traction fast.
 

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You come off as an "enlightened centrist" a lot more often than not while sniping at the left, which is absolutely ally to the conservative position...
We can debate how much I qualify as a centrist. The conservative position I have often described as being the same as the left only with more latency. Apart from that, america is a mess, who would want to conserve that, makes no sense.
which is why you get those folks flocking to your threads rather often.
Interesting. I can assure you that I find the conservative position more objectionable than the left.
He's a bit of a weird duck shifting from democratic socialist to off-nationalist, but I'll yield that he is a better starting point than some of your other threads. My generation seems to shift positions alot.
Okay, would you also agree that I have diverse sources from left to right, mainstream to more local and nieche sources?
We all know, comrade. You've made it very clear.
Good.
You're the one who lead Lacius down the odd rabbit hole of "the Dems DID take out one political rival!" and then tried to justify it with "the USA does tons of bad stuff! They made the bomb and used it, after all!" as though it turns the situation on its head as simply as that. Most world conflicts aren't completely black and white, but holy hell, that was a RIDE to watch you try and victimize the Nazis.
Wouldn't you agree that america is corrupt and morally on shaky grounds regardless what the plebs voted in any given time?
I'd have more respect for you if you just nutted up and accepted you made a mistake with a bad take, rather than "aborting the discussion".
I aborted the discussion within this thread. I suggested continuing the discussion in a dedicated thread.
 
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What have I done... : O

Why not speed up the process then?
We already are, hardly anyone will vote red in 2024 compared to 2016 and 2020. Plus factoring in 4 years worth of newly-eligible young voters, and it's a blue wave to victory again.
 

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From what I can gather as a foreigner it seems many Americans lack in commonality and are isolated in their own echo chambers, greatly exacerbated by social media. Instead of sharing same universal values, everyone who is even slightly different from me in ideology is stupid/evil/traitor and as such must be reeducated and suppressed. It's sad because this is not the real world.
 

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We already are, hardly anyone will vote red in 2024 compared to 2016 and 2020. Plus factoring in 4 years worth of newly-eligible young voters, and it's a blue wave to victory again.
How can you say this when Biden is not only historically unpopular but Trump is actually beating him in 2024 polling (the aggregate)
 
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Please tell the Republican Party that votes and democracy matter. They're the ones who tried to overturn the last election because they didn't like the results.

You're embarrassing yourself with this "I know you are but what am I?" bullshit.
I wish Trump could've taken his loss well like Clinton and the Democrats did am I right?
 

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Yes, Wikipedia is so great - that anyone can edit its pages at any time to say anything regardless of how factual it actually is.
Which is precisely why it's banned in papers.

Your massive coping and your foul language suggest I'm over the target.

Not that I'll convince you regardless.
That isn't why Wikipedia isn't cited in papers. I already explained the real reason.

On just about every important topic that would likely come up in a research paper, there are usually experts in that field that get notifications when a particular page is altered. If those alterations don't meet Wikipedia's rigorous source and citation standards, it's reverted very quickly.

I wish Trump could've taken his loss well like Clinton and the Democrats did am I right?
Clinton and the Democrats conceded the 2016 election literally hours after it was called (it was the middle of the night when it was called), lol.

On the other hand, Trump still hasn't conceded the 2020 election, and most Republicans believe the debunked conspiracy theory that it was stolen. It has been nearly two years.

You look ridiculous when you act like these elections are at all comparable.
 

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How can you say this when Biden is not only historically unpopular but Trump is actually beating him in 2024 polling (the aggregate)
Trump will be in prison soon, so he's not a threat any longer. I'm more worried about the Magas electing DeSantis.
 
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