Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

tabzer · Mar 10, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
No, I've been stating both as what they are- and clearly distinguishing between them. Abortion being murder, or anything along those lines, is purely an opinion- and people's rights to believe and act otherwise falling under freedom of religion and belief itself is not.

"Abortion is not murder" was presented as a fact. It is a fact if presented from a statist legal framework. Otherwise it's an opinion. If you know what you mean, but how you say it makes it appear as something else, then it's natural for people to misunderstand your intention.

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omgcat said:
lol Cuomo is fucked.

I'd be surprised if he actually resigns or is forced out.

Xzi · Mar 10, 2021

gene0915 said:
And thank God that no such program was ever used during the Obama administration!!!!!!111

Correct, the policy of mandatory family separation was only in place during the Trump administration. Occasionally unaccompanied minors would be picked up while crossing the border, but nothing like the influx we're seeing now.

gene0915 said:
And how DARE a country try and secure their borders???????????

Institutional cruelty and dehumanization of immigrants are not necessary components in securing our borders.

tabzer said:
I'd be surprised if he actually resigns or is forced out.

Dems hold their own accountable, sometimes even for no reason at all (Al Franken). Cuomo is 100% done. If only Republicans held their own to the same standard, or any standard at all for that matter.

RandomUser · Mar 10, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
there's nothing to suggest the pro-life movement's motive is legitimately just the alleged sanctity of life- especially considering both its complete disregard for the potential death of the mother in the process of the birth (one of the most common reasons for abortion) and its bafflingly large overlap with the seemingly antithetical anti-vax movement. (You'd think it'd be impossible to be simultaneously pro-life and pro-plague, but here we are.)

I'm not sure how this topic went to abortion, I'd like to point out that:
Caesarean section could save both the mother's and the baby's life during birth. Sometimes it is planned when a mother wants a biological child and have pregnancy complications.

Back on topic, I'm wondering what of that $200 increase for All Social Security Beneficiaries? Or did they get it yet?

djpannda · Mar 10, 2021

After 2020 fraud claims, Donald Trump requests mail ballot

Wait I thought Mail in Ballots are bad...why Does Trump keep requesting one?
oh I get it, Trump believes anyone darker then Orange. Should not vote. Thats why Republicans are passing voter Suppression bills allover the Country targeting Minorities.

tthousand · Mar 10, 2021

Biden's Stimulus: Adds a $5,500 dollar debt to every American man, Woman and Child.

$1,400 = What you get out of it. (might end up being less if you do not meet certain criteria, and/or you might not even be able to get is like many people who still have not received their last $600)
$1,067 = Bail out blue states such as CA and NY
$177 = Bail out Union pension plans
$750 = Extend unemployment benefits (pay people more to sit home then they could actually go out and make working)
$34 = Museums and Native American language preservation
$393 = K-12
$122 = Colleges and Universities
$58 = Public Health Organizations including Planned Parenthood
$128 = Transportation Grants including Amtrak
$49 = Agriculture
$30 = Foreign aid
$1,279 = Various progressive priorities

Seems to me like this is more about control than helping...

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Biden reminds me of Ray Zalinsky, " I make car parts for the American working man, because that's what I am, and that's who I care about... The truth is I make car parts for the American working man because I am a hell of a salesman and he doesn't know any better."

Plasmaster09 · Mar 10, 2021

tthousand said:
Biden's Stimulus: Adds a $5,500 dollar debt to every American man, Woman and Child.

$1,400 = What you get out of it. (might end up being less if you do not meet certain criteria, and/or you might not even be able to get is like many people who still have not received their last $600)
$1,067 = Bail out blue states such as CA and NY
$177 = Bail out Union pension plans
$750 = Extend unemployment benefits (pay people more to sit home then they could actually go out and make working)
$34 = Museums and Native American language preservation
$393 = K-12
$122 = Colleges and Universities
$58 = Public Health Organizations including Planned Parenthood
$128 = Transportation Grants including Amtrak
$49 = Agriculture
$30 = Foreign aid
$1,279 = Various progressive priorities

Seems to me like this is more about control than helping...

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Biden reminds me of Ray Zalinsky, " I make car parts for the American working man, because that's what I am, and that's who I care about... The truth is I make car parts for the American working man because I am a hell of a salesman and he doesn't know any better."

Let's see here.
$1,400: What you get out of it. The "last $600" already came, and it came first- that was the fraction Trump was willing to send out as a PR move.
$1,067: Upon further inspection, this seems to just be bailing out states. In general. All of them.
$750: Extending unemployment benefits- i.e. paying people that can't find a well-paying job more so that they can fucking survive. The apathy and victim-blaming complex within the Republican party is just incredible, and the fact you can't mention unemployment or something of the sort without accusing those basically just trying to survive of being lazy just proves that.
$34: Museums and cultural preservation.
$515: Education.
$58: Public health.
$128: Transportation. Insert obligatory Amtrak Joe meme here.
$49: Agriculture.
$30: Foreign aid.
$1,279: What does "various progressive priorities" even mean? You're clearly trying to use "progressive" as a snarl word, but with zero context it's really not going to work.
None of these moves seem to be about control or partisanship. And here's a reminder: none of that is coming directly out of the average man's pockets. You frame it as a debt on the working man when a) it isn't, that's literally not how this works and b) even if it is, if the only way to solve our nation's problems is to make everyone chip in then so fucking be it.

tthousand · Mar 10, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
Let's see here.
$1,400: What you get out of it. The "last $600" already came, and it came first- that was the fraction Trump was willing to send out as a PR move.
$1,067: Upon further inspection, this seems to just be bailing out states. In general. All of them.
$750: Extending unemployment benefits- i.e. paying people that can't find a well-paying job more so that they can fucking survive. The apathy and victim-blaming complex within the Republican party is just incredible, and the fact you can't mention unemployment or something of the sort without accusing those basically just trying to survive of being lazy just proves that.
$34: Museums and cultural preservation.
$515: Education.
$58: Public health.
$128: Transportation. Insert obligatory Amtrak Joe meme here.
$49: Agriculture.
$30: Foreign aid.
$1,279: What does "various progressive priorities" even mean? You're clearly trying to use "progressive" as a snarl word, but with zero context it's really not going to work.
None of these moves seem to be about control or partisanship. And here's a reminder: none of that is coming directly out of the average man's pockets. You frame it as a debt on the working man when a) it isn't, that's literally not how this works and b) even if it is, if the only way to solve our nation's problems is to make everyone chip in then so fucking be it.

Why would anyone want to get off unemployment when they are making far more money than they could if they were actually working? It's the opposite of incentive.

This whole latest stimulus has been completely framed to be partizan. Looking at the past stimulus-es last year, there was wide spread support on both sides of isle. Except for perhaps the last one and this one.

Their should definitely be something done, but I do not have any faith that our government is going to fix this. They already have trillions of dollars allocated that they are doing nothing with, when it could be going towards helping people and business pay their rents and mortgages, which they have been having trouble doing since the government came in and told them they are no longer allowed to support themselves financially.

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The reality is both sides are guilty of always tacking on useless shit that should have nothing to do with the bills.

It's like getting served a steaming pile of crap with a nice juicy piece of bacon on top. Sure, the bacon looks good, so you figure why not... I just won't eat the crap. Well, if you want the bacon, you have to eat the crap too... unless you leave the table. And let's be honest, no one is leaving the table. Where else would they go?

Kurt91 · Mar 10, 2021

So, my family is suspecting that the stimulus money is coming directly out of our taxes. My mother has done taxes for both most people in my family as well as for commercial businesses in the past. She was doing taxes a week or so ago, and found that both her as well as my grandparents are getting $0 for tax refund, even though they haven't done anything different and every previous year they've always gotten at least $1000 at minimum. Personally, I'm getting something, but only because I haven't gotten any of the previous stimulus payments at any point.

Darth Meteos · Mar 10, 2021

Kurt91 said:
So, my family is suspecting that the stimulus money is coming directly out of our taxes.

the stimulus is coming out of your taxes
that's what taxes are for, paying for the government to do things

Kurt91 · Mar 10, 2021

I wasn't sure. I figured that they'd stagger the amount taken out of taxes over time, so there'd still be a tax refund for people who needed it, they'd just take back a percentage of it so it would pay everything out over time. Taking it all at once just makes it an advance on the tax refund, which isn't quite as helpful.

Iamapirate · Mar 10, 2021

djpannda said:
After 2020 fraud claims, Donald Trump requests mail ballot

Wait I thought Mail in Ballots are bad...why Does Trump keep requesting one?
oh I get it, Trump believes anyone darker then Orange. Should not vote. Thats why Republicans are passing voter Suppression bills allover the Country targeting Minorities.

The argument wasn't necessarily against mail-in ballots, but millions of *unsolicited* ballots being sent and cast in an unprecedented way due to the pandemic.

Kinda hard to say muh voter suppression when minorities are always a big voting base and Trump himself received the highest share of that vote for a Republican since Nixon.

djpannda · Mar 10, 2021

Iamapirate said:
The argument wasn't necessarily against mail-in ballots, but millions of *unsolicited* ballots being sent and cast in an unprecedented way due to the pandemic.

Kinda hard to say muh voter suppression when minorities are always a big voting base and Trump himself received the highest share of that vote for a Republican since Nixon.

really "unsolicited" ballots??
because most of the 253 republican bills are to restrict who and how they can request ballets.
Republicans trying to approved
1.no-excuse absentee Ballots ( so the sick and elderly are forced to wait 2 hours covid lines)
2. stop Automatic Voter registering when you get/renew your Driver License ( why do you want less Americans to vote)
3 Voter purgers (so if you did not vote in the last 4 years, you get kicked out of the system and have to jump thru hoops)
4. limit voting locations (funny its only in minorities communities)
5. Mail in ballots be notarized with additional IDs
6 My fav. additional ID proving you are a citizen at the time of voting. (which the extremely dumb as if you registered to vote you already provided proof of citizenship and SSN.
don't forget that non of these bills actually address voter fraud or punishments for voter fraud...so AZ stated

“Because it puts us at a competitive disadvantage relative to Democrats,” said Michael Carvin, the lawyer defending the state's restrictions. “Politics is a zero-sum game. And every extra vote they get through unlawful interpretation of Section 2 hurts us, it’s the difference between winning an election 50-49 and losing an election 51 to 50.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/state-voting-bills-tracker-2021

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And let’s not forget most Republans state that the “fraud” happened at the organization/ government level not the voter level.. yet all the restrictions are placed on the voters? Seems like they don’t want to address fraud more then just stoping people from voting

smf · Mar 10, 2021

djpannda said:
Seems like they don’t want to address fraud more then just stoping people from voting

Yeah, the republicans are scared of losing again. Really scared. They don't care what the majority want.

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Iamapirate said:
Kinda hard to say muh voter suppression when minorities are always a big voting base and Trump himself received the highest share of that vote for a Republican since Nixon.

Highest share for a republican, but not the highest share in this election. So if you take the minorities out then Trump would win even though his vote reduced.

Always a big voting base under the current rules, the rules are changing. It's like saying we are going to cut your legs off because you don't need them as you're able to walk.

Plasmaster09 · Mar 10, 2021

tthousand said:
Why would anyone want to get off unemployment when they are making far more money than they could if they were actually working? It's the opposite of incentive.

This whole latest stimulus has been completely framed to be partizan. Looking at the past stimulus-es last year, there was wide spread support on both sides of isle. Except for perhaps the last one and this one.

Their should definitely be something done, but I do not have any faith that our government is going to fix this. They already have trillions of dollars allocated that they are doing nothing with, when it could be going towards helping people and business pay their rents and mortgages, which they have been having trouble doing since the government came in and told them they are no longer allowed to support themselves financially.

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The reality is both sides are guilty of always tacking on useless shit that should have nothing to do with the bills.

It's like getting served a steaming pile of crap with a nice juicy piece of bacon on top. Sure, the bacon looks good, so you figure why not... I just won't eat the crap. Well, if you want the bacon, you have to eat the crap too... unless you leave the table. And let's be honest, no one is leaving the table. Where else would they go?

Thing is, jobs paying such an unlivably low amount that people would prefer unemployment is a problem in itself. Unemployment checks should be enough to live on, and jobs should be a worthwhile amount more.

And as for partisanship... it's a classic Republican tactic to stonewall anything Democratic, regardless of actual policies, in order to make us look bad. The stimulus plan is only partisan in regards to the fact that Republicans avoid it like the plague... but they primarily do so because it's Democratic, not because it's something they legitimately dislike. It's basically the only reason we still have to compromise with you so often- because shitty tactics like that let an ideological minority boss everyone else around.

Oh, and as for the bacon-and-crap thing... Currently, we aren't even ALLOWED at any of the good tables, because a certain someone ordered the crap for the rest of us in the first place and they don't want us ordering it anywhere else before we have ours here!

Valwinz · Mar 11, 2021

with geogia ad other states new bills limiting the mail scam is over for dems in 2022

Plasmaster09 · Mar 11, 2021

Valwinz said:
with geogia ad other states new bills limiting the mail scam is over for dems in 2022

Translation: With certain states, drunk with wingnuttery, implementing blatant and highly antidemocratic voter suppression laws, Democrats are fucked because the Republicans will likely be able to cheat the system.

Valwinz · Mar 11, 2021

Plasmaster09 said:
Translation: With certain states, drunk with wingnuttery, implementing blatant and highly antidemocratic voter suppression laws, Democrats are fucked because the Republicans will likely be able to cheat the system.

whats wrong with asking for Voting ID ?

Plasmaster09 · Mar 11, 2021

Valwinz said:
whats wrong with asking for Voting ID ?

The specifics and the intent behind it- like other seemingly innocuous methods, it's intended not to actually prevent voter fraud but to shut out various heavily-blue minority groups that have trouble obtaining certification XYZ for one reason or another. This shit's been done in the past, and now they're trying to shut down a method that is not only almost devoid of this kind of voter-suppression bullshit but also AVOIDS HAVING TO ACT IN PERSON IN PUBLIC DURING A PANDEMIC.

Valwinz · Mar 11, 2021

Thanks Biden Failed to fetch tweet https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1369700334428434436

tabzer · Mar 11, 2021

I would think that if voter ID is supposed to help prevent fraud, then more efforts should, instead, be made to expose the said fraud.

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