The people asked to leave were envelope snippers that had already finished their jobs. Observers did not leave and were not asked to. The suitcases contained official ballot containers with rollers, contained in suitcases because of how heavy they are. Them being temporarily stored under the table is not out of the ordinary. I've obtained this information from the Georgia hearings where it was presented by the Trump campaign, and can get a few clips or timestamped links to it if you need it.
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Is this a 'are you five years old'? problem again?
Yes - please dont trust any publication because of a title.
But if you try to promote scepticism in a case, where the going narrative was 'blond women did something - election fraud" Its important that everyone watches. You watch - you decide what you see. Was it criminal fraud? Based on 'what the Trump laywer that leaked us the video said" - then lock yourself in a storeroom and eat the key.
Fact checking platforms were the f*cking first ones that even tried to confirm the story, that spoke with the representatives, that interviewed the people in the room.
While bumblef*ck facebook craycray army of -- 'I think EPOCH TIMES be great newssource" F*CKERS, tried to spread videos that qualified this as 'the smoking gun', but at the same time stated, that they didnt know exactly what was in the video, and that you should watch it and "make up your own opinion".
Here is the game. Teach people how to be 'media literate'. And if they want to spread rumors - and ultimately lies - hit them in the face. Otherwise they dont learn.
And this also goes for you - if you side with bumbblefuck litterally took video, and what lawyer told them, did nothing else, and sold that as important and scandalous to their viewers.
F*ck those sources. And if you are defending them - you know what fallows.
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I personally HATE the factcheck circute. Because its a concept set up on following F*CKING morons, and fixing the world behind them. The self conception of every facebook user sharing that crap is, that they are a vigilant bright citizen, and that everything they choose to platform must be important. The concept of fact checking platforms is to tell them how much of an idiot they are. The reaction is - it cant be. The outcome is - nothing changes, least of which is self perception. And people at fact checking platform become cruel self loathing, balls of hatred and anger, that just assume that they are better at 'getting at the truth' - using a simple phonecall, because they are dealing with the utmost trash of human society every day - in terms of communication output.
The solution is actually not to pander to dubf*cks, but to hit the F*CKING morons of people sharing that crap in the mouth so hard, that they start to notice, what effing morons they are - by following a few simple rules. As in: Did someone actually do a followup on the rumor I'm sharing to all my moron friends, because I have feeling. Is a story substantiated, what was the source, is the story plausible, is there actual content, or is it just emotional bait, is someone telling me how to feel about a thing (at which point its commentary, and not news anymore).
And if the F*CKING moron public still posts shit with the entire messaging being 'smoking gun, blond women did something - your ballots are in danger! Look at the silent video, the boxes were UNDER the table! Dont you seee!?', then hit them in the face, hit them in the face, until nothing comes out anymore. (Figuratively speaking. Verbal 'violence' not actual one). Because they will never change their sharing behavior, or look up a better source, or source quality - if you leave them in the believe, that they are benefiting their group cycle - by simply being the first to share something scandalous.
So saying - dont believe in something just because it has the word 'factcheck' in front of it is fine. People are too stupid anyhow to see, that this already is a 'charity play' on their behalf, where people spend money, so society becomes barely bareable, they also will never say thank you - because someone factchecked them. How dare you to question their feelings! They will never find the already patronizing nature of factchecking 'inspiring' enough to change their believe, or media consumption behavior. Or independent enough to be 'entirely trusted'. And its not.
But they will also - never become better news consumers until you show them what f*cking morons they are. If your impetus is to share something, thats not objectified, and just an extension of a rumor mill. And this thing has 'the elections were manipulated' in it - get hit in the face, over, and over again, until it hurts. So the next time, you check first if this passes the minimum standard of news reporting (as in someone followed up and actually tried to find out what happend).
You can pick your media sources freely. But you have to have at least some understanding what a newsitem is, and what it is not.
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It seems that people really don't understand what a conspiracy theory is. I had someone tell me that everything is a conspiracy until it's not (I think they meant to use the word theory).
Theories are ideas to try to explain your observations, you then test those theories.
The observation is "Joe Biden got more votes". If an observation is unexpected to you then it's perfectly valid to theorize how it could happen and look for evidence. What you can't do is claim you won, just because your theory why Joe Biden got more votes was wide scale cheating. Without evidence the theory is worthless, another is "more people wanted Joe Biden than Donald Trump" & that seems much more likely. You should not favor a theory but instead look for evidence.
The problem with conspiracy theories is that even if you are right, it's very difficult to prove as secret groups can only exist if they are really good at keeping things secret. Anyone claiming to know when they can't present any evidence is probably having some form of mental health episode.
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Even that is too complicated.
When you throw the term 'conspiracy theory' around, its loaded. People actually want to use it to end and 'win' conversations all the time. Its derogatory. Its a trap. (If I can get that word to stick on you, I've won - from a mainstream perception stance.)
And at the same time its not - its literally the opposite. Its people looking at situations, and proving, or assuming collusion.
But the chance, that if you arent whistleblowing - or are in an important societal position, when setting rules based on theory - that you ever play an important role in something 'touching on a conspiracy theory', by lets say 'distributing it - to your friends', is almost laughably low.
The best case scenario of what they are for is to promote people to question believes. But you dont do that, by ramrodding 'your truth' on a believe, down their throat. (I do that, but I have rhetoric training - I can deal with some of the fallout..
) thats not how you convince people of a position.They have to deliberate on their own, and come to their own conclusions. Provoking thought works. Provoking investigation in matters where it is needed is good. (Positive aspect of conspiracy theories.) Telling people what to believe is one step to far. Telling them what you believe is fine, everyone is doing that all the time anyhow.
But basically the moment you need to use the term conspiracy theory to make an attack argument against someone - the discussion is over. You are trying to win on 'social perception of that person' grounds. Which is also a way to win discussions, but not to hold them.
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Distributing it to your friends doesn't even help, unless your friend is someone high up in criminal prosecutions and also takes their cues from facebook posts.
Spreading conspiracy theories are either a waste of time because they are lies, or really useful to the defense to trigger a mistrial due to it being impossible for their client to receive a fair trial if it turns out they are true.
Which on the balance of probabilities means that either Trump is lying, or he committed election fraud and is trying to make sure that the real decision makers believe that they was no fraud. I have an open mind, so I'm not going to favor one or the other.
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Well there are those instances, when the media system has one perception of a thing - f.e. russiagate on the left (claims made by the intelligence agencies, or political actors were never objectified), or lets say an effing meetup of the
kind, that produced group think and corporate friendly attitudes amongst young people - had no room for critical thinking, and is featured by a media system thats basically embedded with high levels of goodwill - and then you do what?
Imho its always good for people to speak up to get discussions started, or get more context themselves, but its more of a 'wait, that might be interesting' thing. It becomes problematic, when people start to evangelize what could be called a conspiracy theory, and then get matched with people who just know, that everything with that 'flair' to it, is just wrong and always was.
Both points of view might not be entirely correct. Conspiracy theories at least to me to a certain extent are 'fun' as _some_ of them might teach you a little bit more about the society you are living in.
But it also seems, that there is a tendency for people to stumble into one, and immediately end up at 'the huge world conspiracy' - 'people are out to get me'. And that might be problematic. Well - except of course in the Snowden case, where - conceptually - it was true.
This is not a standard opinion on the topic, those are my 'feelings' on it.
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If you want to talk...
Backpedaling. You literally posted the definition of "proof" as if it contradicted what I said and took a jab at my English comprehension. Asking people for proof is unreasonable. It's not realistic to think that this is the place where the case is going to be settled.
Dismissing a case because the evidence isn't strong enough is not the same as "proving evidence false". Rejecting evidence based on publications is not "proving evidence false". Denying allegations is not "proving evidence false".
Please quote me where that is implied by myself, and I will demystify it for you.
Disingenuous. %100 is always the goal, but we have to spend time with less than that.
Neg to insist that the US is china, because your leaderfigure (coincidentally not the leaderfigure of the US anymore) said so?
I insist that DNC/progress policies, ideology & behavior coincide, support and otherwise align with the communist party of China.
Beijing Biden's ideology & policies support China.
Social media & their progressive political enablers.
DNC Party
This statue is in Seattle, not Russia.
- Trade, Globalism
- He is weak supporting freedom for Taiwan & Hong Kong
- He is a compromised & subordinate to Beijing from his corrupt business dealings , Beijing possesses film evidence of his son having sexual & abusive interactions with minors. "The Big man" is probably on film doing so as well.
Social media & their progressive political enablers.
- Censorship
- Narrative sponsoring/control/curation
- Social credit scores.
DNC Party
- Cultural Marxism
- Redistribution of wealth
- social engineering of demographic make up of communities and neighborhoods
- Population control through ethnically targeted abortion
- Circumventing voter will by politicizing courts
This statue is in Seattle, not Russia.
Would you be able to provide the timestamps? Particularly on the "told to leave" parts? Thanks in advance.
I've seen many conflicting reports on the "observers told to leave" claims. I saw news articles published that night reporting that they were told that the counting was over for Tuesday and would only restart 8:30am of the following morning. Some observers claimed they were told to leave. And repeating a previous post:
To top it off, I still haven't figured out the "water pipe leak" story, which happened in that same place in Fulton County in Atlanta, Georgia. One source says it made them (or influenced them to) stop the counting that Tuesday night because of it. Other says that it was in the morning of Tuesday, fixed by 8am. That Richard Barron says it was dripping from the ceiling and soaking the carpet beneath it; others say it was a simple overflowing toilet far away from the counting area.
You are brainwashed. Now you are fighting against images of statue that prove the big ideological invasion of the enemy - while the rest of the world is really borderline breaking, because of socio economic problems. You are stuck in a bad hollywood movie -- with people producing child rape videos, telling others they have to see what you see to safe the world.I insist that DNC/progress policies, ideology & behavior coincide, support and otherwise align with the communist party of China.
Beijing Biden's ideology & policies support China.
- Trade, Globalism
- He is weak supporting freedom for Taiwan & Hong Kong
- He is a compromised & subordinate to Beijing from his corrupt business dealings , Beijing possesses film evidence of his son having sexual & abusive interactions with minors. "The Big man" is probably on film doing so as well.
Social media & their progressive political enablers.
- Censorship
- Narrative sponsoring/control/curation
- Social credit scores.
DNC Party
- Cultural Marxism
- Redistribution of wealth
- social engineering of demographic make up of communities and neighborhoods
- Population control through ethnically targeted abortion
- Circumventing voter will by politicizing courts
This statue is in Seattle, not Russia.
You are putting together high emotional impact items (impactful on your image of the world), and trying to make sense of them by wrapping them in a third class 80s movie plot. That coincidently also tells everyone, why they have to save the world from anyone that isnt Trump. Because the pedos have the childrape video of Bidens son, and... I mean, stop. At any point you'd like to - but, stop.
Here is a bronze relief of Marx in front of University Leipzig.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronzerelief_Aufbruch
edit: I bring the argument once more - that it is much more favorable to actually have a "productive" (something that works, something that grows the economy) relationship with a leader of a country, than to blackmail them. If you blackmail them, because of the environment they are in - they'd have 1000 different ways to stall it, to fake compliance, ... and even if they adhere to 'you ruling them by blackmail from half a world away' - how would you implement changes? If they are too radical people will notice and do something about them. So in addition to blackmailing the president, by making an alleged (the heck?) pedo video with his son, you now also have to form a support environment for your sockpuppet - lets call it a party, and then make that popular, but with the hidden notions to only help you, half a world away, which no one realizes. And thats your plan to take over world leadership, which 30 years ago economists said would change in your favor anyhow... And you make all this 'actionable' in the four years, after which the true savior of america, who saw all that coming, was defeated, by a fraudulent election, which you also manipulated and... I mean do you see how you form your 'logic path' yet?
edit: Here, watch this:
This was 10 years ago.
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Jesus Jimbo, being a trump supporter i knew you were heavily misguided, but now, your just literally stupid. Brainwashed like Notimp said, and its because of your 1 IQ brain that got you no where.
Btw. is that your way of saying white young males are prevented by feminism to fuck? Again?
Or by liberals, or by progressives, or by...Your entire parents generation chose to stop having children, so they could have more money for leisure spending, how about asking them what 'controlled' them (while they still were f*cking - btw).
This entire notion of 'the race thats procreating more will dominate the world' is entirely the opposite of global politics for the last 30 years. The US even havent got a good enemy, that is sending their 'procreators' to your country to 'take over your cultural identity' - so now you have to find that enemy within your own borders, and - thank you racism, its black people and hispanics?
I mean...
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Either way, biden will have a 98.9% chance that he will win the election, with trump being a dumbass and not giving any good evidence to voter fraud happening, and it being 3 days till the safe harbor, aka, trumps dead, he won't be doing anything. So, when republicans find that out that their trumpy could not a single thing, they will turn to the electoral college. HOWEVER, they will be crying again to learn that the most amount of faithfulness electors were 10 in 2016, which, while clinton was not a good option, still would have won without the college having that faithless electors fucking it up. So, since biden have about more then 30 more electors then he needed, and demos being really on hinge to the left, they will almost all vote for biden. And when we get to jan, and they count the votes, i know some republicans are gonna say, "Oh, voter fraud, Blah blah blah!" But NO. In order for a objection to be in the works and happen, they need approval from the senate and house. If a republican did that objection, and you need a majority in the house for that to happen in the first place, oh shit, demos have the majority, Your dead Republican! And also, the senate is kind of shaky, with republicans not wanting to vote because of some fake rumors, most likely, the demos are probably gonna win, and when Harris comes, she would of course, give the majority to Demos. So, There is almost a 0% chance that trump would ever win this election, unless somehow he gives amazing evidence somehow, which is not happening, or he somehow did some illegal things to make sure he wins, and if he does that, demos are gonna murder him. So, i have a message. STOP FEEDING INTO TRUMPS MIND AND SAYING THAT MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD EXISTS. While yes, there are some voter fraud, its so small that it dosent even matter anymore. Your best bet for survival is if you vote for the republican senate, so you can have your "Majority" back. So, just stop telling lies.
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1. Hunter Biden is under current FBI criminal investigation, neither The Bgman or Hunter Biden have disputed the legitimacy of the laptop. The Biden family is a bunch of pedophiles, you can gaslight and deny it all you want but the writing is on the wall and it is in crayon. Biden is on film groping on a 8 year olds chest for Christ sake. Johnny Cochran said the glove didn't fit, we all know OJ did that shit.
2. Fixating on Trump has nothing to do with the DNC being filled with marxist authoritarians. There is plenty of people I prefer to Trump, IE, Gary Johnson. I'd even be fine some people on the left, there is a pre-DNC whoring Bernie Sanders who I really liked, also really like Tulsi Gabbard.
You can always spot pointless dribble from someone who assumes to know way to much beyond the avatar.
People who claim others are misguided or voting against there own interests are usually a little control freak that thinks they know what my interests or destination should be.
Is that your way of saying white young males are prevented by feminism to fuck? Again?
No that's me saying the DNCs drive thru abortion chain planned parenthood was founded by a Eugenicist whose ideology coincided with the Nazi parties racial purity beliefs, opened the first location in Harlem and they still focus opening their franchises in predominately black communities. The DNC funds ethnically (blacks) targeted abortions.
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Welp, no reason to talk to him, he's crazy.
Video tape of hunter Biden fucking kids isn't hard to find just because I can't post it for obvious reasons, it's been widely reported on. The only reason more of the material hasn't been published is because they legally can't cause it's pedo according to numerous outlets lawyers.
You're pointless.
DOJ official confirms FBI 2019 criminal investigation into Hunter Biden, still active
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Alright, lets tear this apart. The sentence about him being a pedo is so fake that everyone with a brain know it's fake. That whole china part is just rumors. You can try better then this, come on.
Agree on the first part.
Very much disagree on the second.
Here is the thing 'pedo' registers emotionally for you with a factor of 1000x over other themes. So someone feeds you images of kissing children public appearences from politicians, and tells you that they are pedos. Which make them controllable by pedowranglers. Which are the people with no morals - so china.
Ehm.. yeah. I even give you, that in one instance Biden actually smelled that childs hair for too long. And I give you that such networks might exist on the fringes. What I dont give you is, that they are the sole reason for political action, and basically the main form of political influence in the world. I think that is you not having understood how 'secret club -- shagging a bigs head' works. Allegedly. I think thats you having about a 10.000x overestimation how much 'moral rule' (the fear of the politician being made a pedo, to be able to get into power in the first place to..) matters.
I think all of those are figments of your imagination - fueled by people who create memes that propagate that. Because it instantly fills you with that 'save the children' motive -- that crushes all rational though, and has you asking -- essentially -- "why arent all the pedos stopped" as part of your political believe.
And someone has to tell you that this is not how the world works, and this is not a political believe.
Yes there are reputation assassination campaigns out there. Yes, some of them are state financed. No you dont need to have people have sex with minors for that - you sick mind. And no - they arent whats used to keep a head of state 'dependable'. If you would try to make such behavior public in foreign relations, you would essentually 'nuke' a countries domestic politics, and all further relations with you, and that country for the forseeable future. Which isnt the best move in foreign politics - which is all about have states manage their domestic politcs without anyone saying anything - so long term foreign arrangements can be made. One president, that might be active for four years - isnt worth jack. I mean Putin did pretty good on his military actions in border regions lately - without the US officially even as much as 'noticing' but thats about what 'one Trump' potentially could buy you. Lets not get carried away. Also - if you are blackmailed at the risk of being publically destroyed, how high would you guess your motivation would be to win the next election, to sustain that situation? Again - it makes much more sense to sweettalk a head of state, than to try to blackmail them.
Also, yes , I cant believe I'm having this conversation, just to convince someone - that the 'Biden pedo, kissing girls' meme, is not reality. Much less procedural logic of how international relationships work. I'm not a shrink. I'm just saying - something thats very much impactful emotionally for you - is dominating your believes.
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Conspiracy theories at least to me to a certain extent are 'fun' as _some_ of them might teach you a little bit more about the society you are living in.
But it also seems, that there is a tendency for people to stumble into one, and immediately end up at 'the huge world conspiracy' - 'people are out to get me'. And that might be problematic. Well - except of course in the Snowden case, where - conceptually - it was true.
Snowden wasn't a conspiracy theory though, it was evidence of a conspiracy. Or if you're the government it was leaking official secrets. It's impossible to only infringe the rights of criminals. So when reptards go on about law and order, they have to accept that means that the government are going to go deep into all their business.
I don't see them as fun, they don't really teach anything other than what mental health breakdowns and psychosis will allow people to believe.
If you're only reading about it on twitter/facebook and certain media outlets, then it's probably not true or at least not worth worrying about.
There were stories that were 'disqualified' as conspiracy theories, before Snowden, that hinted at the same proceedings.
See f.e.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
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