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Donald Trump announces he has COVID-19

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Yeah but they do protect others. If they all wore masks, way less of them would be infected. Bunch of incompetents.
There's not point trying to tell these people what's factual. They'll just pick and choose whatever they want to believe to suit their narrative.
 

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There's not point trying to tell these people what's factual. They'll just pick and choose whatever they want to believe to suit their narrative.

So what is actually factual? Do you have links to these studies where they have discovered the viral dose level required to infect someone with Covid-19? Because last I checked that has not been figured out yet.

So if you don't have that, how can you actually determine with science that surgical masks and home made masks are effectively decreasing the spread of this virus? I mean it sounds good, but where is the science from start to finish. Not just a snot simulation in a mask.

Doctors won't go into a room with a positive covid-19 patient without an N95 mask. That tells me more.

If an asymptomatic (non sneezing, non coughing) 19 year old male is in a room with a surgical mask. And he is alive and breathing he is filling the space he is in with virus particles they go right through his mask. Masks do not stop these from coming through, is it enough to prevent someone else in that same room from being able to get infected that is also wearing the same type of mask?

Without viral dose level of covid-19 needed to become infected I don't think you can even begin to try to determine that without guessing.

Have not seen anything at all that comes close to being able to answer that question yet.

I do see things like this though:

A new analysis of 172 studies, funded by the World Health Organization, confirms what scientists have said for months: N95 and other respirator masks are far superior to surgical or cloth masks in protecting essential medical workers against the coronavirus.

“It’s been disappointing that both the W.H.O. and the C.D.C. have suggested that surgical masks are adequate, and they’re clearly not,” said David Michaels, a professor at George Washington University who headed the Occupational Safety and Health Administration under President Obama.

“Reliance on surgical masks has no doubt led to many workers being infected,” he said.

This is of course in context to medical workers, but again as far as I am concerned you probably are as protected as having a lucky rabbits foot at this point if you are in an enclosed space with someone who is positive that is breathing, and if it is a child or young adult it is even worse because they are more likely to be virus creation factories. With surgical and homemade masks.
 

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Plus, if you're already made up your mind you'll just try to discredit any sources I might give you, regardless if they are correct or not.

Learn how to research things, you might learn something.
What you have described is the backfire effect in action and unfortunately many members on here seem to suffer from it, knowingly or unknowingly. Unfortunately not much you can do about it. It is also seem to be often confused as the dunning kruger effect.
You can read up on the backfire effect if you like and you may even come to the same conclusion or not.
 
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What you have described is the backfire effect in action and unfortunately many members on here seem to suffer from it, knowingly or unknowingly. Unfortunately not much you can do about it. It is also seem to be often confused as the dunning kruger effect.
You can read up on the backfire effect if you like and you may even come to the same conclusion or not.
Very informative post, this explains a lot. Thank you.
 

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Italian study finds that only 12% of Covid-19 patients have fully recovered after ~60 days
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768351

German study finds 60% of recovered patients have myocardial inflammation
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916
So we can all agree the death rate is no larger than 3%? Because, there's tons of percentages flying around. It's still not that deadly of a virus. 3% isn't that much, nor is 1%

Correct, Covid-19's fatality rate likely falls within the 1% range, give or take a half percent. That's still roughly 10x higher than influenza. While the vast majority of patients do survive, studies show that a considerable number of survivors suffer from secondary conditions lasting for weeks, months, or even permanently after recovery.
 
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No one should wish anyone else death. He deserves a lesson though.
well except for dictators who oppress their people like Xi and kim jon un i would understand wanting them dead as for the president i want him to survive for the sole fact when he gets out of the WH he'll get arrested on tax fraud charges
 

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What you have described is the backfire effect in action and unfortunately many members on here seem to suffer from it, knowingly or unknowingly. Unfortunately not much you can do about it. It is also seem to be often confused as the dunning kruger effect.
You can read up on the backfire effect if you like and you may even come to the same conclusion or not.

A companion article to the backfire effect:

How Negative News Distorts Our Thinking
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...01909/how-negative-news-distorts-our-thinking

Reading both articles helps to explain why there are so many dumb-as-a-doorknob conservatives and liberals. Too much programming leads to ideological malfunction.
 

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Biden apparently has cold like symptoms. Called it a day early only a little after 9 am. (I'm not in any way claiming he has covid, runny nose is not a symptom of covid)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-off-calling-lid-seen-video-runny-nose-video/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit
"The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right[3][4] news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods and spreading hoaxes"
Didn't we just have a discussion about fake news?
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gateway_Pundit
"The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right[3][4] news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods and spreading hoaxes"
Didn't we just have a discussion about fake news?

I hope you grow a brain one day. "Far right" dont lie like your side does. There's a video, multiple in fact. I'm sure they're all "doctored". But here it is again

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/280899940

I mean jesus he's human you should say so he has a cold no big deal. Instead you're trying to act like he's superman. You need help.

Say they're doctored. Because it'll just prove how stupid you are. Otherwise you owe an apology.

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I hope Sleepy Joe doesn't have to drop out of the election.

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If fake news CNN was legit they'd be covering too. It's amazing how Democrats don't even notice there's never a negative thing said about their party. They actually think they're just great awesome kindhearted people. No they just have the media covering for them 24/7.
 
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Meanwhile we got Bill Gates saying we don't have a choice when it comes to vaccine. Who the fuck is this dude always pushing vaccines on people. Another crazy liberal. Maybe it's a conspiracy or true I don't know but I heard he doesn't even vaccinate his own kids.



So if what he's saying is true they will come to your house and stab you with a needle, which is not constitutional. Otherwise we do absolutely have a choice. A virus that kills 1-2% of people that get it, don't think so. I'm ashamed to own a PC.

I realize there'll be a vaccine and some people will want to voluntary take it that's not what I'm talking about. it's forcing everyone to take it I don't agree with. We're not china.
 
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