I'm not against it, it does concern one of the candidates. I wouldn't necessarily call it Watergate-level, but then again, everything is "something-gate" now, so what do I know.
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[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election
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I'm not against it, it does concern one of the candidates. I wouldn't necessarily call it Watergate-level, but then again, everything is "something-gate" now, so what do I know.
I mean, Rage was written by one of the two reporters who broke watergate, lending some credence to the severity of the claims.
Just got a Joe Biden ad on YouTube. It's amazing they can't even make propaganda videos of this guy that don't look like ironic parodies. He's looking around all confused and senile like one of those old people in a Chevy Chase movie while asking demented, millenial ANTIFA members to vote for him for 'change' even though he's been in government for 50 YEARS LOL.
Now that's change you can believe in! How dumb do people have to be to believe a career politician of 50 years exists for any reason besides being a grade Z crisis actor script reader to recite propaganda for international usury bankers?
Now that's change you can believe in! How dumb do people have to be to believe a career politician of 50 years exists for any reason besides being a grade Z crisis actor script reader to recite propaganda for international usury bankers?
welp, guess no one ever has any authority cause anyone can just claim "appeal to authority" fallacy. please back up why the authority is not trust worthy when trying to claim the fallacy. i mean, how much proof is enough for people? written statements + audio + video is included with the book. tens to hundreds of people from both sides of the political spectrum corroborating the story. to be clear, you are falling for the "fallacy fallacy" which indicates that you think i have committed a fallacy, and therefor my points would be wrong. however Woodward has been seen as the golden standard for journalism for years, and if you want to claim it as an appeal to authority, i ask which authority. his standards of journalism are the opposite of the SJW trash people bitch about. he takes time to get his details straight, and doesn't commit yellow journalist bullshit.
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The validity of a claim should be based on the facts, not on who presents it. He may very well be a renowned journalist, which shows that his methodology is sound and that he has experience, but it does not lend his actual claims any credence, nor should it.
yeah, but the audio recordings count as fact. so fact is in his favor. even the president admitted that the audio is real, by claiming that he was aware audio back in February. hell the president asked WHY the audio wasn't released earlier, which makes no sense.
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Oh, you know... the same one I pray will return every major election... our lord and savior, Yog-Sothoth.
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Trump didn't create "millions of new jobs." If anything, he caused millions of jobs to be lost.
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Trump's mishandling of COVID-19 caused it to be worse than it had to be, both epidemiologically and economically.
Even before the pandemic, the rate of job growth was largely unchanged between when Obama left office and just before the pandemic hit.
saddly i'm very concerned the US gov is illprepared to deal with a rogue president which is highly (very highly) likely to occur if trump loses weither the fbi/military has to forcefully move /arrest trump and the firrst family is yet to be unseen just to spare our government from becoming a dictorial state (you guys fear communism trump will bring communism to the US you just insert your foots in your mouth now early and watch the right is more communist/dictorial than the left will ever be i'm sure they want complete control a one party system their spreading fear for what they will do themselves, and yet i wonder if canada will allow refugees from the US (they have a treaty post vietnam that bars this iirc) but i'm sure the PM there is keeping a close eye on this situation and if he cares enough will break that treaty if civil war breaks out and hopefully other countries will send in their millitaries to help aid the actual government to suppress those who betray the US and side with trump
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I wander back in after a little while away. My my how amusing that became.
I suppose I will return to the "whatever guy you pick, try to sell me on the other guy" notion. What values might there be out there, some of which could conflict or be a different risk category, that they might espouse, embody or fight for. Understand that and you might also understand how to argue against them as no politician ever embodies them and can usually be seen to actively argue against them. Even if tactical voting is to be the order of the day then something useful can still happen there.
I have to prove myself every day/continually, for new clients, when renewing contracts, face doubts and have to sell people on things I have done before and can do trivially. What have you done for me lately, are you up to date on these, can you perform at the level I need, my stuff faces external testing all the time,... I have had people try to explain things I might have written the manual they are quoting at me (I find it quite amusing myself, usually let it play out the same as I let sales morons gather enough rope to hang themselves). I have to occasionally navigate office politics (this video is good stuff if you have not learned to play to people rather than relying on tech/skills/whatever, managers with an axe to grind, those that thought I was there because it felt the previous guy feel big, clueless people seeking to cut costs, results of the Peter Principle in eye burning obviousness (people in a hierarchy tend to rise to their "level of incompetence"), deal with people that would not know a spanner from a socket (never mind give an overview for the 6 types out there in somewhat common rotation) but still think they can go toe to toe with me...
My possession of a beard, broad shoulders, a head at a height that hits doors/lights on a routine basis, shoulders that struggle to fit in a shirt that does not look like a dress and a penis matters little there and that applies to everybody else in the fields as far as I can tell (certainly is a standard I hold others to -- if you are not constantly assessing the abilities, skills and capabilities, current and potential, then you are doing it wrong and I reckon I can even prove that mathematically). It is then an accepted part of playing in a technical field for real, and only gets worse if you are playing in electronics/computers where 5 years out means you are not just useless but actively dangerous (playing nuts and bolts there is at least the notion that whatever I commission today will probably outlive me in some capacity). Resting on your laurels is only done by incompetents and greybeards that know one particular bit of key tech that they can ride into retirement (and possibly a "please come back, this will hopefully fund your retirement over again in its entirety" a few years later).
You are only as good as your last project and last performance assessment is not the whole story (good places will attempt rehabilitation as people are hard to find) but it is most of it.
On the matter of diversity quotas being a problem. Simple solution to that is to get rid of them. If there are no quotas then anybody that is there surely deserves to be, or maybe just played politics but that is a different matter and applies to everybody. Good people are hard to find and if you dismiss someone because they have tits and/or a different amount of of melanin to someone else then you deserve to have your competitors scoop them up to in turn have them run you into the ground.
I suppose I will return to the "whatever guy you pick, try to sell me on the other guy" notion. What values might there be out there, some of which could conflict or be a different risk category, that they might espouse, embody or fight for. Understand that and you might also understand how to argue against them as no politician ever embodies them and can usually be seen to actively argue against them. Even if tactical voting is to be the order of the day then something useful can still happen there.
I have a degree, post graduate qualifications, research credits, self taught in a few things (albeit related) to similar levels (if I am allowed to point at what I do around here my pieces of paper, which are generally pointless more than a year after you have been working and might not even be necessary to play, are neither in computers nor electronics), project history, any number of references from fairly heavy hitters, am the protégé of several some places would have loved to have known, possess a tool collection/access to machining options that most people even in the fields barely know of with abilities to achieve results (be it mass speed or tolerances or both), ditto my information collection (especially legacy stuff), my little black book alone gets me a foot in the door in places (I call these people and they answer with "how about tomorrow?", others call then however many weeks it is until they can fit it is the response, to say nothing of cost differences), my interventions have saved companies, routinely save them small fortunes and could easily break them as well, have sat in on meetings where if I had say nay would have scuppered deals worth millions and have prevented such meetings from ever happening in the first place, quite often I might be the only one around (and if not then the handful of others might well be in said little black book from earlier, or their little black books in turn) that is not at retirement or retired that knows how a given bit of kit might work... I am not without troubles and if I tried to join the real world at this point it would be laughable (tends to be for tech peeps though if you wander off the beaten track), however at the same time there is a reason I was able to take the "stay in your home citizen" period off and read books without taking a single penny of handout.
I have to prove myself every day/continually, for new clients, when renewing contracts, face doubts and have to sell people on things I have done before and can do trivially. What have you done for me lately, are you up to date on these, can you perform at the level I need, my stuff faces external testing all the time,... I have had people try to explain things I might have written the manual they are quoting at me (I find it quite amusing myself, usually let it play out the same as I let sales morons gather enough rope to hang themselves). I have to occasionally navigate office politics (this video is good stuff if you have not learned to play to people rather than relying on tech/skills/whatever, managers with an axe to grind, those that thought I was there because it felt the previous guy feel big, clueless people seeking to cut costs, results of the Peter Principle in eye burning obviousness (people in a hierarchy tend to rise to their "level of incompetence"), deal with people that would not know a spanner from a socket (never mind give an overview for the 6 types out there in somewhat common rotation) but still think they can go toe to toe with me...
My possession of a beard, broad shoulders, a head at a height that hits doors/lights on a routine basis, shoulders that struggle to fit in a shirt that does not look like a dress and a penis matters little there and that applies to everybody else in the fields as far as I can tell (certainly is a standard I hold others to -- if you are not constantly assessing the abilities, skills and capabilities, current and potential, then you are doing it wrong and I reckon I can even prove that mathematically). It is then an accepted part of playing in a technical field for real, and only gets worse if you are playing in electronics/computers where 5 years out means you are not just useless but actively dangerous (playing nuts and bolts there is at least the notion that whatever I commission today will probably outlive me in some capacity). Resting on your laurels is only done by incompetents and greybeards that know one particular bit of key tech that they can ride into retirement (and possibly a "please come back, this will hopefully fund your retirement over again in its entirety" a few years later).
You are only as good as your last project and last performance assessment is not the whole story (good places will attempt rehabilitation as people are hard to find) but it is most of it.
On the matter of diversity quotas being a problem. Simple solution to that is to get rid of them. If there are no quotas then anybody that is there surely deserves to be, or maybe just played politics but that is a different matter and applies to everybody. Good people are hard to find and if you dismiss someone because they have tits and/or a different amount of of melanin to someone else then you deserve to have your competitors scoop them up to in turn have them run you into the ground.
@Foxi4 nah dude start issuing suspentions they had clearly enough time to clean up their act besides this could be a good opportunity to see if what we discussed is true, anyways I don't think the majority of the US is falling for trump a second time (even though I saw this 10,000 miles away)
I can categorize trump supporters in three groups now
1) the die hard republican who doesn't care if this ship sinks
or
2) the alt right (Neo Nazi,racist etc)
or
3) the wealthy 1%
I can categorize trump supporters in three groups now
1) the die hard republican who doesn't care if this ship sinks
or
2) the alt right (Neo Nazi,racist etc)
or
3) the wealthy 1%
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You have no idea just how many times I was explicitly told that I'm "overqualified" for a position by scaredy cat managers with qualifications well below my own.
Water under the bridge now, but I can only assume it's gotten worse, especially with gender and diversity quotas in mind. Who would've thought that after the civil rights movement we'd get to a point in history when you can't get hired for a position because of your gender or the colour of your skin, as if the department needed to have a certain degree of "brown" in it to operate, or as if a vagina magically bestowed otherwise unattainable qualifications. Me, I look at people based on their merits, push the best and brightest forward, regardless of who they are. Dying breed, from what I'm seeing nowadays. Topic for a different thread though, I don't think that's going to change, regardless who wins the election. As far as I'm concerned, private industries should be able to discriminate however they please - it's their employees and they pay their wages. Their loss, more qualified personnel for somebody else who still has their head firmly attached to their neck and hires based on qualifications, not physical characteristics.That's stereotyping, don't you think? I'm none of those three and possibly the biggest Trumpkin around. I personally welcome the idea that different people may have different priorities and a different idea on how the country should be ran, but admittedly I don't expect to receive the same treatment in return - it's a free country.
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Overqualified is usually code for one of two things from where I sit
1) You will wander off as soon as something better comes along (and if you are truly overqualified that is a distinct possibility and most roles have a boring factor for those that are overqualified... can I do data entry, sure, will my brain dribble out of my ears if I do that for more than a day or two to the point where I jump at a chance to clean toilets, also sure) and leave us in the lurch/having to repeat the hiring process (if it takes time and then some more to get you used to their systems).
2) I fear for my job security and you might take my place (as if I am management material).
I would usually treat 2) as one of those "I am slightly embarrassed it took me this long to figure out this place would be awful to work at but thanks for the confirmation".
There is the lesser spotted "polite way of saying thanks but no thanks, we think you are an arsehole" but it would get much the same thanks for the confirmation.
The good manager then always attempts to hire someone smarter than them and then spends their days either deflecting nonsense from reaching them or otherwise facilitating them doing even more work (be it by attending to problems or scrounging up more of it).
If we are doing the huggy feely bit then concerning the plight of the autistic. I do always remember an open letter of thanks I read from one particular company.
It ran something like
Thank you for not hiring the freaks and weirdos. I might have to provide them with lunch every day, any semblance of a dress code* is an imaginary flight of fantasy at this point, there are all sorts of quirks to manage that I would not have expected from grown adults, I might have to ensure there is a taxi each night, my normal staff have any number of run ins about bizarre things, punctuality is a variable and at the same time a schedule is almost a religion in other places, and talking to clients is almost a role unto itself but I thank you never the less. The problems they solve, the rate the solve them at, and the budget they solve them with means I have made an awful lot of money in a very short space of time.
*the death of the dress code thanks to tech companies was another interesting series of articles I read a while back. It was some fashion magazines that spearpointed it and it was very odd to watch, even by the standards of my usual amateur anthropology readings of groupings I don't know (granted fashion types usually are weird but that is what you get for being in a cult I guess).
As far as quotas (which I should remind people are law in California https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/us/california-boardroom-gender-quota.html and is seeking expansion https://calmatters.org/politics/2020/08/corporate-board-diversity-ca-bill/ , funny that it is only boardrooms and not binmen but oh well) I do wonder if that means I should not hire any more once I reach population parity or whatever lest I deny the opportunity for a competitor (or maybe that is a strategy similar to gobbling up all the recruits and giving them busy work) to achieve such a goal, or do I need an extra in case one loses a game of beat the bus or leaves for greener pastures. Of course I am probably horribly *ist/phobic so I in reality I should be making up for past issues and giving them even more opportunities.
1) You will wander off as soon as something better comes along (and if you are truly overqualified that is a distinct possibility and most roles have a boring factor for those that are overqualified... can I do data entry, sure, will my brain dribble out of my ears if I do that for more than a day or two to the point where I jump at a chance to clean toilets, also sure) and leave us in the lurch/having to repeat the hiring process (if it takes time and then some more to get you used to their systems).
2) I fear for my job security and you might take my place (as if I am management material).
I would usually treat 2) as one of those "I am slightly embarrassed it took me this long to figure out this place would be awful to work at but thanks for the confirmation".
There is the lesser spotted "polite way of saying thanks but no thanks, we think you are an arsehole" but it would get much the same thanks for the confirmation.
The good manager then always attempts to hire someone smarter than them and then spends their days either deflecting nonsense from reaching them or otherwise facilitating them doing even more work (be it by attending to problems or scrounging up more of it).
If we are doing the huggy feely bit then concerning the plight of the autistic. I do always remember an open letter of thanks I read from one particular company.
It ran something like
Thank you for not hiring the freaks and weirdos. I might have to provide them with lunch every day, any semblance of a dress code* is an imaginary flight of fantasy at this point, there are all sorts of quirks to manage that I would not have expected from grown adults, I might have to ensure there is a taxi each night, my normal staff have any number of run ins about bizarre things, punctuality is a variable and at the same time a schedule is almost a religion in other places, and talking to clients is almost a role unto itself but I thank you never the less. The problems they solve, the rate the solve them at, and the budget they solve them with means I have made an awful lot of money in a very short space of time.
*the death of the dress code thanks to tech companies was another interesting series of articles I read a while back. It was some fashion magazines that spearpointed it and it was very odd to watch, even by the standards of my usual amateur anthropology readings of groupings I don't know (granted fashion types usually are weird but that is what you get for being in a cult I guess).
As far as quotas (which I should remind people are law in California https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/us/california-boardroom-gender-quota.html and is seeking expansion https://calmatters.org/politics/2020/08/corporate-board-diversity-ca-bill/ , funny that it is only boardrooms and not binmen but oh well) I do wonder if that means I should not hire any more once I reach population parity or whatever lest I deny the opportunity for a competitor (or maybe that is a strategy similar to gobbling up all the recruits and giving them busy work) to achieve such a goal, or do I need an extra in case one loses a game of beat the bus or leaves for greener pastures. Of course I am probably horribly *ist/phobic so I in reality I should be making up for past issues and giving them even more opportunities.
While this could be true, I think @Foxi4 is also correct as well. They use this "Overqualified" code as a scapegoat to not hire people with disabilities. You see, they cannot state the reasons why they didn't get hired because of the the anti discrimination law and perhaps also a law called Americans With Disabilities Act. I believe they use this term in order to hide the true reasoning behind it and also makes it very difficult to prove why they don't want to hire you based on the disability. This will forever be a problem and I really do not have an idea how to solve it rationally. There is an unorthodox method and really wouldn't pass to become a law, it is a law that forces employers to hire people disability or disabilities on the spot regardless of their disability. Yeah, not happening and probably not piratical either.
That sounds like a totalitarian nightmare that makes a bad situation worse. Nobody except the employer should have any say in regards to who they hire and why. You can't fix discrimination with more discrimination, the deciding factor in the hiring process should always be an individual's ability to perform the job. If certain employers choose to be discriminatory and pass up on excellent candidates then that's their loss - their staff will be objectively less qualified than that of the competitor who doesn't discriminate. A contract between an employer and an employee should be entirely between those two parties and its conditions should be based on what they agree is acceptable. The last thing I want is the government dictating what employers can or can't do with their own money by making hiring decisions on their behalf.
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