Is Windows 10 really that bad?

the_randomizer

The Temp's official fox whisperer
Member
Joined
Apr 29, 2011
Messages
31,284
Trophies
2
Age
38
Location
Dr. Wahwee's castle
XP
18,969
Country
United States
TL;DR

I've had zero bugs with windows 10. I don't like the metro interface, so I just use ClassicShell, as I have been doing since Vista (which WAS a complete failure). The old control panel and stuff are still there. My start menu is just like on XP. Plus, if I wasn't in love with using Ubuntu in a VMware VM, I could use all of the linux command line/compiling tools from within Windows now. I LOVE this OS.

Same, using Classic Shell here, all my games/apps, etc have worked just fine. It's not a perfect OS, but I daresay it's been better for me than 7 was. It's been shockingly stable for me.
 

The Real Jdbye

*is birb*
Member
Joined
Mar 17, 2010
Messages
23,288
Trophies
4
Location
Space
XP
13,846
Country
Norway
That's something I'll never get. Microsoft is doing weird things with basic tasks.
I think they are still struggling to unify the modern style apps and the classic Windows programs, but this just seem like such an obvious thing to fix, and they've had plenty of time to fix it, it's been like that since Windows 8 was released. At least the start menu in Win10 is pretty good, a huge upgrade from Win8/8.1 and I like how customizable it is.
Same, using Classic Shell here, all my games/apps, etc have worked just fine. It's not a perfect OS, but I daresay it's been better for me than 7 was. It's been shockingly stable for me.
Yup, Windows 10 has been more stable for me than Windows 7. This is mostly to blame on my laptop drivers, because it was the early days of AMD switchable graphics and they hadn't perfected the technology yet, but I had to use very specific versions of the Intel and AMD drivers to not have my laptop BSoD every time on boot, and occasionally it would BSoD on boot anyway. That issue completely went away after upgrading to Win10. I've had some weird issues related to fullscreen in games though, especially with Project64, where some GPU plugins had issues with working in fullscreen (even had BSoDs as a result of a fullscreen issue with win32kfull.sys), but those issues went away on their own after a while, not sure if it was updates to the software that fixed said bugs, or a Windows update fixing it on a system wide level, but regardless I haven't had that issue in years now.
 
Last edited by The Real Jdbye,

the_randomizer

The Temp's official fox whisperer
Member
Joined
Apr 29, 2011
Messages
31,284
Trophies
2
Age
38
Location
Dr. Wahwee's castle
XP
18,969
Country
United States
I think they are still struggling to unify the modern style apps and the classic Windows programs, but this just seem like such an obvious thing to fix, and they've had plenty of time to fix it, it's been like that since Windows 8 was released. At least the start menu in Win10 is pretty good, a huge upgrade from Win8/8.1 and I like how customizable it is.

Yup, Windows 10 has been more stable for me than Windows 7. This is mostly to blame on my laptop drivers, because it was the early days of AMD switchable graphics and they hadn't perfected the technology yet, but I had to use very specific versions of the Intel and AMD drivers to not have my laptop BSoD every time on boot, and occasionally it would BSoD on boot anyway. That issue completely went away after upgrading to Win10. I've had some weird issues related to fullscreen in games though, especially with Project64, where some GPU plugins had issues with working in fullscreen (even had BSoDs as a result of a fullscreen issue with win32kfull.sys), but those issues went away on their own after a while, not sure if it was updates to the software that fixed said bugs, or a Windows update fixing it on a system wide level, but regardless I haven't had that issue in years now.

I hope you're using GlideN64 for PJ64, as the other graphics plugins are pretty much garbage at this point. AMD, eh, I avoid them.
 

Kioku

猫。子猫です!
Member
Joined
Jun 24, 2007
Messages
12,007
Trophies
3
Location
In the Murderbox!
Website
www.twitch.tv
XP
16,142
Country
United States
I hope you're using GlideN64 for PJ64, as the other graphics plugins are pretty much garbage at this point. AMD, eh, I avoid them.
Which is weird to me. As Intel and Nvidia are lacking and share complacency in the market. Different topic tho.. :x
 
  • Like
Reactions: the_randomizer

Grmmish

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Sep 6, 2018
Messages
414
Trophies
0
Age
29
XP
1,264
Country
United States
Only reason to NOT use Windows 7 is compatibility with newer software/hardware, so unless you got something too new to work on it or have HoloLens/other Microsoft headset that requires Windows 10 you are fine with a 100% functional and VERY ergonomical OS that can do everything you could want and more, while it also looks very simple, intuitive, sleek and is pretty light with a very good degree of backwards compatibility (even if 16bit mode was disabled, but it's easier to re-enable on Windows 7 than any other OS).

On the other hand, Windows 10 is a buggy broken mess, with occassional "updates" that if anything break compatibility with software/hardware if not introducing additional bugs on top, all while being full of bloatware just because Microsoft seems to care more about knowing everything you do rather than having a properly functioning OS and it's not even that simple or ergonomical either, looking like a Frankenstein's monster of an OS, having both Aero and Metro, with UIs that are a clusterfuck and if you want to find even the simplest of things, only fast way to do it is to use the search function for EVERYTHING, especially with how enormous the start menu gets after installing bunch of things and whatnot! Sure, you can tweak the UIs very slightly, but it's still bad, while on Windows 7 even the default layouts are very nice.

PS: On the note of Vista you mentioned in the OP, the reason Vista got hate was only for the Vista Service Pack 1, because it was possibly one of the worst OSs ever made for a couple reasons. It introduced THOUSANDS of exploitable bugs hackers could abuse with hardly any work, broke compatibility for MOST important programs, even Microsoft's own Office Suit, causing it to either not work or repeatedly asked you to purchase extra licenses even if you had just bought one, was the OS that stopped compatibility for 16bit software meaning literally NO backwards compatibility under any circumstance as "XP Mode" wasn't a thing until Service Pack 2 and so so SO many other problems! Then Service Pack 2 was shat out with plenty issues on it's own, but at least it fixed a bucketload of SP1's problems. However, the whole "Vista" thing was bad PR so Microsoft pushed Windows 7 ahead of schedule to save their stocks and hopefully make people forget about it (nobody did:P).
 
  • Like
Reactions: CORE

Duo8

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Jul 16, 2013
Messages
3,613
Trophies
2
XP
3,024
Country
Vietnam
Been using it since June last year.
It's perfectly fine, despite running it on somewhat unconventional hardware. Never had any issue with it, not even the ones that people always seem to be running in to.
The thing I dislike most about it is the font rendering. It looks terrible on anything <120ppi.
 

ThoD

GBATemp Addict (apparently), but more like "bored"
Member
Joined
Sep 8, 2017
Messages
3,631
Trophies
1
Age
27
XP
3,049
Country
Greece
Only reason to NOT use Windows 7 is compatibility with newer software/hardware, so unless you got something too new to work on it or have HoloLens/other Microsoft headset that requires Windows 10 you are fine with a 100% functional and VERY ergonomical OS that can do everything you could want and more, while it also looks very simple, intuitive, sleek and is pretty light with a very good degree of backwards compatibility (even if 16bit mode was disabled, but it's easier to re-enable on Windows 7 than any other OS).

On the other hand, Windows 10 is a buggy broken mess, with occassional "updates" that if anything break compatibility with software/hardware if not introducing additional bugs on top, all while being full of bloatware just because Microsoft seems to care more about knowing everything you do rather than having a properly functioning OS and it's not even that simple or ergonomical either, looking like a Frankenstein's monster of an OS, having both Aero and Metro, with UIs that are a clusterfuck and if you want to find even the simplest of things, only fast way to do it is to use the search function for EVERYTHING, especially with how enormous the start menu gets after installing bunch of things and whatnot! Sure, you can tweak the UIs very slightly, but it's still bad, while on Windows 7 even the default layouts are very nice.

PS: On the note of Vista you mentioned in the OP, the reason Vista got hate was only for the Vista Service Pack 1, because it was possibly one of the worst OSs ever made for a couple reasons. It introduced THOUSANDS of exploitable bugs hackers could abuse with hardly any work, broke compatibility for MOST important programs, even Microsoft's own Office Suit, causing it to either not work or repeatedly asked you to purchase extra licenses even if you had just bought one, was the OS that stopped compatibility for 16bit software meaning literally NO backwards compatibility under any circumstance as "XP Mode" wasn't a thing until Service Pack 2 and so so SO many other problems! Then Service Pack 2 was shat out with plenty issues on it's own, but at least it fixed a bucketload of SP1's problems. However, the whole "Vista" thing was bad PR so Microsoft pushed Windows 7 ahead of schedule to save their stocks and hopefully make people forget about it (nobody did:P).
Why re-post what I said?:/

By the way, about Windows 10, the telemetry isn't keylogging or anything like that, as that's outright illegal in most countries and especially for a big well-established company a court case like this, even if they were to be proven innocent, would be horrible PR, effectively ruining bringing their stock value WAY down, possibly bankrupting them. What Windows 10 telemetry involves exactly, it's basically usage data mostly, not keylogging. They collect list of installed programs, most used programs, overview of cached data, which programs you've chosen as default for each application (eg: browser, opening videos/music/images, etc.), part of web history/bookmarks (if visited too often with Edge), all Cortana commands, percentage of time system is active/idle, how long the computer is being used each day, what hardware you are using (including peripherals if they can be recognized by brand/model exactly, eg: "Logitec gamepad"), validation services to see if it's an official copy of Windows 10, system settings and so on. It's a LOT of data collected on the background at all times, which is why leaving all telemetry active is just a huge waste of resources, as it can often cause slowdowns, be it on processing power (RAM/CPU usage) or network bandwidth if you have a slower connection making it even slower.

However, once disabled, Windows 10 is a decent-to-good OS, especially if you are using very new hardware, as 7 unfortunately doesn't have the best compatibility with the newest drivers. What I was trying to say in my original post was that if you don't have 10 already, you shouldn't update as you probably have older hardware, so 7 being lighter as an OS will work best on your computer regardless of how you configure each of the two, even if it came out as if I was just bashing Windows 10. Another thing for Windows 10 is that once you disable telemetry and switch to purely using Aero instead of Metro (which by the way is NOT better and as for those "studies" the ones on Aero proved it was superior back then), then disable Cortana as well so it doesn't hog resources for something you MIGHT use very rarely, then patch out the forced updates and make them manual, you got a VERY solid and relatively stable OS that's great for new hardware. I say relatively because it actually lacks a great deal of once very common .dll/.ocx/general ActiveX files and unlike on 7, if a program needs one and doesn't find it it will crash with no error quite often when trying to use older programs. Finally, once you start using 10, forget about 16bit apps, XP Mode on 10 is a PAIN to set up and it can potentially cause major corruptions to your installation, meaning you HAVE to use VMWare or similar...
 

Mnecraft368

I hate my name.
Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2015
Messages
1,763
Trophies
0
XP
3,311
Country
United Kingdom
I personally don't mind using Windows 10. My only issue with it is when I have unsaved files and it decides that since I'm not using my computer at that time, it's perfectly fine to restart for updates causing me to lose whatever I hadn't saved.
 

smf

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Feb 23, 2009
Messages
6,643
Trophies
2
XP
5,862
Country
United Kingdom
I tried using one of those classic third party start menu shells on windows 8, but quickly gave up & decided to just get used to the new start menu.

Since moving to Windows 10 I didn't bother, I'm not OCD or paranoid enough to care about it or the telemetry.

I personally don't mind using Windows 10. My only issue with it is when I have unsaved files and it decides that since I'm not using my computer at that time, it's perfectly fine to restart for updates causing me to lose whatever I hadn't saved.

Yeah, also my broadband is slow and it's annoying that it decides to start downloading a 4gb update when it wants (because it doesn't know I'm watching IPTV at the time).

I have Windows 10 Pro, which you can setup so that it doesn't do it automatically but then I have to remember to do it. I tend to recommend that everyone runs Pro, because then you don't have to give microsoft your bitlocker keys either.
 
Last edited by smf,
  • Like
Reactions: Mnecraft368

smf

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Feb 23, 2009
Messages
6,643
Trophies
2
XP
5,862
Country
United Kingdom
I curently use windows 10 ltdc, It is nice because ni metro crap, slow update ... A must have :)

Windows 10 ltsc is ghetto, using metro apps is a pain and it's always out of date.

The funniest thing is the threads where people ask how to install metro apps.
 
Last edited by smf,

The Real Jdbye

*is birb*
Member
Joined
Mar 17, 2010
Messages
23,288
Trophies
4
Location
Space
XP
13,846
Country
Norway
Eww, Rice Video is just...breaks a lot of games, esp. Konami games. Only useful for texture mods really. GlideN64 is way more accurate.
Banjo Tooie is a particularly hard game to run if you want to use the 60FPS mod. Rice Video actually runs blazing fast compared to any other plugin and seems to work well for Tooie. Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon is another game that's hard to run, the skybox emulation slows everything down, so I had to use Rice Video for that one as well, although it still suffers from some glitches as that game is difficult to emulate properly. GlideN64 is nice but it's bloated, and even though my laptop was a top of the line gaming laptop like 5 or 6 years ago when I got it, and still runs most new games fine, it can struggle with GlideN64.
 
Last edited by The Real Jdbye,

the_randomizer

The Temp's official fox whisperer
Member
Joined
Apr 29, 2011
Messages
31,284
Trophies
2
Age
38
Location
Dr. Wahwee's castle
XP
18,969
Country
United States
Banjo Tooie is a particularly hard game to run if you want to use the 60FPS mod. Rice Video actually runs blazing fast compared to any other plugin and seems to work well for Tooie. Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon is another game that's hard to run, the skybox emulation slows everything down, so I had to use Rice Video for that one as well, although it still suffers from some glitches as that game is difficult to emulate properly. GlideN64 is nice but it's bloated, and even though my laptop was a top of the line gaming laptop like 5 or 6 years ago when I got it, and still runs most new games fine, it can struggle with GlideN64.

I get full speed on GlideN64 with Mystical Ninja 64 *shrug*. Rice Video jacks up the HUD big time, N64 emulation has made strides with games being more playable and running fast, I can Banjo Tooie full speed as well. It's time people stop using shoddy plugins if they have the means to, GlideN64 is also more demanding, you need a good GPU to get full speed. The skybox issue hasn't been an issue in a long time.

You're thinking of Gide64, this is the successor, GlideN64, hence the N part in the name, it's hardly "bloated". Are you sure you're talking about the same plugin I am?

Edit - I should make a thread, because it sounds like you're confusing Glide64 with Glide64, which is different from gl64. GlideN64 is the successor to Glide64, which was bloated. It's run every game perfectly I've thrown at it, it can even run the Factor 5 games, which Rice could never do, so *shrug*
 
Last edited by the_randomizer,

Site & Scene News

Popular threads in this forum

General chit-chat
Help Users
    Veho @ Veho: It can act as a swap drive but that isn't more RAM, it's slooow.