Hacking SWITCH NOOB PARADISE - Ask questions here

Draxzelex · Dec 17, 2018

CapCaveman said:
1. I see. But as soon as it loads a CFW (SX OS or Atmosphere, for example), it “exits” RCM mode, right? So if I’m running SX OS/Atmos, put the Switch in sleep mode and leave it charging, I should be fine?

2. Ah, okay. As long as AutoRCM is enabled, everything’s good, then.

3. No need to worry if the system isn’t connected to the internet, though?

4.

5. Interesting. So the SD card format doesn’t matter for NAND backups. And you don’t have to keep it in the card that you’re using for homebrew? I could back up the original 1.0.0 SysNAND to an SD card formatted in exFAT and have the system update to a firmware in FAT32 using a different card?

6. Got it. Kinda sucks that even the cartridge slot is protected by its own firmware, but that’s Nintendo for you.

Yes, the only purpose of RCM is to send a payload. Once you send a payload, you either boot into CFW or OFW. Sleep Mode is fine with or without AutoRCM
Yes
Yes
Filler
Yes. You can also back it up to a hard drive or a cloud if you want

Zap2000 said:
Will my sysnand be ok on 4.1 I don't want to brick or mess up.

How come u didn't tell me to back up emunand how do I do it? I don't understand that tut can u explain the back up method?

Why is it recommended tho? I don't want to brick or mess up my system? R u sure I'm safe on lower sysnand?

How do I make a copy of emunand? I don't understand that tut

Because everyone has different definitions of the ideal setup. Obviously my advice is going to differ from someone else's. I really don't know why that user recommends both SysNAND and EmuNAND to be on the same firmware version especially since one of the purposes of EmuNAND is to avoid having to update SysNAND. I don't have that much experience with their EmuNAND since its not perfect so things like backing up the EmuNAND don't routinely come up as a question but it seems like the the tutorial deals with that if you follow it through.

Xcakepiggie said:
Wait but isnt getting a NAND backup also being in hekate which is basically CFW? (Traceable)
also will there be an untraceable cfw in the future?

But Hekate isn't a CFW, its a bootloader that is loaded in RCM which is triggered before the NAND. As for an untraceable CFW, that's impossible as whatever tricks hackers can do to mask CFW, Nintendo can fire back with a new system update that adds telemetry. Hence why being undetectable is usually never the goal of a CFW because it would result in a never-ending battle that doesn't really benefit the scene. The point of a CFW is to open up options to users for their consoles, not avoid getting banned. That's why majority of hackers buy 2 or more consoles.

xdarkmario said:
Question, I was wondering if in a sense does switch backups works a bit like early 3ds hacks. What I mean by that is. There was a time on the 3ds that if you were using a flash cart to play your game dumps in order to play online "safer" you had to inject your personal cart headder into the ROM file.
Is that still a possibility/necessity?

It is a possibility but Nintendo has learned from their mistakes on the 3DS and has included checks to see if the header matches the base game. If they don't, you will get flagged for a ban.

PrimalRex said:
Any way to get fortnite on banned switch?

Nope

Zap2000 · Dec 17, 2018

Draxzelex said:
Yes, the only purpose of RCM is to send a payload. Once you send a payload, you either boot into CFW or OFW. Sleep Mode is fine with or without AutoRCM

Yes

Yes

Filler

Yes. You can also back it up to a hard drive or a cloud if you want

Because everyone has different definitions of the ideal setup. Obviously my advice is going to differ from someone else's. I really don't know why that user recommends both SysNAND and EmuNAND to be on the same firmware version especially since one of the purposes of EmuNAND is to avoid having to update SysNAND. I don't have that much experience with their EmuNAND since its not perfect so things like backing up the EmuNAND don't routinely come up as a question but it seems like the the tutorial deals with that if you follow it through.
But Hekate isn't a CFW, its a bootloader that is loaded in RCM which is triggered before the NAND. As for an untraceable CFW, that's impossible as whatever tricks hackers can do to mask CFW, Nintendo can fire back with a new system update that adds telemetry. Hence why being undetectable is usually never the goal of a CFW because it would result in a never-ending battle that doesn't really benefit the scene. The point of a CFW is to open up options to users for their consoles, not avoid getting banned. That's why majority of hackers buy 2 or more consoles.
It is a possibility but Nintendo has learned from their mistakes on the 3DS and has included checks to see if the header matches the base game. If they don't, you will get flagged for a ban.
Nope

I thought emunand was mostly so ppl had a clean sysnand to go online?
Ok as long as it's safe and stable I just about worried about messing up?
With the new Hekate Would that help me get back to lower sysnand 4.1 if I updated?

What happens if ur sysnand is higher than ur emunand fw?

Should I be using the New Hekate to do nand back up? Is there any guide for doing nand back up with Hekate just for sx user ?

Draxzelex · Dec 17, 2018

Zap2000 said:
I thought emunand was mostly so ppl had a clean sysnand to go online?
Ok as long as it's safe and stable I just about worried about messing up?
With the new Hekate Would that help me get back to lower sysnand 4.1 if I updated?

What happens if ur sysnand is higher than ur emunand fw?

Should I be using the New Hekate to do nand back up? Is there any guide for doing nand back up with Hekate just for sx user ?

That's just an unintended feature of EmuNAND.

To go back to 4.1, you can either use Hekate to restore a clean NAND dump including boot0/boot1 as well as rawnand, ChoiDujour, or ChoiDujourNX.

Firmware is irrelevant. What matters is the fuse count then you check the firmwares. Fuses affect both SysNAND and EmuNAND.

And I already sent you a guide on how to backup the NAND with Hekate. The process doesn't change if you are using SX OS.

Xcakepiggie · Dec 17, 2018

Draxzelex

So I only have 1 switch.
I was wondering:

If you factory reset (completely wipe everything) would ou get banned?

Also what steps can I take to prevent getting banned? (Really scared)(with cfw and homebrew)

Im going to china this week and I was wondering if nintendo can ban me in china (cause the model/region is in us? idk im a noob)

ricflairandy · Dec 17, 2018

Was using atmos but have decideed to buy an sx os license. Whats the best way to wipe all data from the switch now (i had it set to autorcm , and i dont care about save games, (worried about installed nsps all over the place as it had failed))

Xcakepiggie · Dec 17, 2018

How would you update a game that doesn't have the latest version by downloading it?
Is it high risk to get banned?

Draxzelex · Dec 17, 2018

Xcakepiggie said:
Draxzelex

So I only have 1 switch.
I was wondering:

If you factory reset (completely wipe everything) would ou get banned?

Also what steps can I take to prevent getting banned? (Really scared)(with cfw and homebrew)

Im going to china this week and I was wondering if nintendo can ban me in china (cause the model/region is in us? idk im a noob)

If you're this paranoid about being banned, you are honestly better off not hacking the console. Nintendo is not holding any punches on the Switch so if you can't afford a second Switch but value online this much, just don't use CFW or homebrew. But if you really want to eat your cake and have it too, a factory reset is not going to help you. Its been well-known that these don't wipe everything and people have been banned despite performing these. If you want a more definitive way to completely wipe everything, you could follow the CLEAN UP SYSNAND portion of this tutorial but I cannot speak towards its safety nor efficacy. Then after that, you should follow "Best Way to Avoid Bans" in this thread.

ricflairandy said:
Was using atmos but have decideed to buy an sx os license. Whats the best way to wipe all data from the switch now (i had it set to autorcm , and i dont care about save games, (worried about installed nsps all over the place as it had failed))

See above.

Xcakepiggie said:
How would you update a game that doesn't have the latest version by downloading it?
Is it high risk to get banned?

By downloading its update in .NSP format then installing it with your title manager of choice. People have been banned for pretty much everything so assume everything is risky.

Zap2000 · Dec 18, 2018

Draxzelex said:
That's just an unintended feature of EmuNAND.

To go back to 4.1, you can either use Hekate to restore a clean NAND dump including boot0/boot1 as well as rawnand, ChoiDujour, or ChoiDujourNX.

Firmware is irrelevant. What matters is the fuse count then you check the firmwares. Fuses affect both SysNAND and EmuNAND.

And I already sent you a guide on how to backup the NAND with Hekate. The process doesn't change if you are using SX OS.

Is it better to use cable and pc program is there less trace of hacking than if I use the is sx pro to boot Hekate and to do back up nand?

Do I need to actives my license for sx pro before doing Hekate payload on dongle?

Should I let the switch format my exfat card before using it for nand back up or does it matter if on pc?
Wat cluster size is recommended for exfat 258gb card ? For nand back up?

Then I change it to fat32 for cfw

Ps I got a msg back from op in tut link I linked u. Will this be true about sleep mode?

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Why is
SX 2.3 supports separated Nintendo folder as Emutendo for emunand. Linked the two nands on the same possible firmware is recommended.

I was gonna run Sysnand 4.1 and emunand 6.1? Is this not recommended?

It's possible but not recommended because sleep mode will be broken on emunand. That's not the case of linking nands .

Xcakepiggie · Dec 18, 2018

I am a complete noob when it comes to wifi

How do i use lan (connect to wifi?)

How do i play on local multiplayer withoout connecting to internet

If i have to, is tere a way where i could play local multiplayer without actually being on internet (like when you connect to a wifi and it says no wifi but you can play a LAN/local multiplayer just fine but cant go on websites like google or gbatemp or other wifi needed things)

xdarkmario · Dec 18, 2018

what is all i can and cant do with sx OS lite? and should i buy the license or go with free CFW?

debaserx · Dec 18, 2018

I just switched from the sxos system emunad, to the partitioned hidden emunand on the SD card.

My new emutendo folder has 17gb in it. There are a bunch of .nca files and i can't seem to identify what is what as there are a few id like to get rid of for space. Is there anyway to easily identify what they are and remove them? SX Installer seems to identify some but i can't seem to delete them.

Sparky076 · Dec 18, 2018

With Hekate 4.6, what should I choose to backup?

Full:
- Backup eMMC BOOT0/1
- Backup eMMC RAW GPP

Partial:
- Backup eMMC SYS
- Backup eMMC USER

Adran_Marit · Dec 18, 2018

Xcakepiggie said:
I am a complete noob when it comes to wifi

How do i use lan (connect to wifi?)

How do i play on local multiplayer withoout connecting to internet

If i have to, is tere a way where i could play local multiplayer without actually being on internet (like when you connect to a wifi and it says no wifi but you can play a LAN/local multiplayer just fine but cant go on websites like google or gbatemp or other wifi needed things)

90DNS - here
ldn_mitm - here

Sparky076 said:
With Hekate 4.6, what should I choose to backup?

Full:
- Backup eMMC BOOT0/1
- Backup eMMC RAW GPP

Partial:
- Backup eMMC SYS
- Backup eMMC USER

- Backup eMMC BOOT0/1
- Backup eMMC RAW GPP
be warned the latter will take some amount of time and storage space. I suggest this guide

Backup nand + keys + biskeys

Draxzelex · Dec 18, 2018

Zap2000 said:
Is it better to use cable and pc program is there less trace of hacking than if I use the is sx pro to boot Hekate and to do back up nand?

Do I need to actives my license for sx pro before doing Hekate payload on dongle?

Should I let the switch format my exfat card before using it for nand back up or does it matter if on pc?
Wat cluster size is recommended for exfat 258gb card ? For nand back up?

Then I change it to fat32 for cfw

Ps I got a msg back from op in tut link I linked u. Will this be true about sleep mode?

↑
Why is
SX 2.3 supports separated Nintendo folder as Emutendo for emunand. Linked the two nands on the same possible firmware is recommended.

I was gonna run Sysnand 4.1 and emunand 6.1? Is this not recommended?

It's possible but not recommended because sleep mode will be broken on emunand. That's not the case of linking nands .

There is no difference in using a USB-C cable or the SX Pro to boot Hekate.

You don't need to activate your license to use Hekate (but you should activate your license anyway).

I recommend using the PC to format the SD card. For cluster size, the default setting is sufficient. If the formatter you are using does not have a default option, its 128 for exFAT and 32 for FAT32.

Also read the rest of the thread in that tutorial. OP was wrong and corrected by someone else. Its fine to run SysNAND on 4.1 and EmuNAND on 6.1

xdarkmario said:
what is all i can and cant do with sx OS lite? and should i buy the license or go with free CFW?

I'll just live the exclusive and unavailable features of SX OS. It has HDD support (but you can install .NSP files via USB on all CFW), its own cheat engine (although other CFW can utilize sys-net cheat), .XCI loading (every CFW can install .XCI files), and EmuNAND. SX OS does not support customization of its CFW meaning you cannot use custom/external kips such as idn_mitm which converts local wireless to LAN. This is useful for Switch LAN Play which allows games that support LAN to be played over the Internet (similar to Xlinkai).

debaserx said:
I just switched from the sxos system emunad, to the partitioned hidden emunand on the SD card.

My new emutendo folder has 17gb in it. There are a bunch of .nca files and i can't seem to identify what is what as there are a few id like to get rid of for space. Is there anyway to easily identify what they are and remove them? SX Installer seems to identify some but i can't seem to delete them.

The Emutendo folder is just a copy of the Nintendo folder for usage with EmuNAND. Whatever installed content and save data was used for SysNAND is stored there but considered separate for EmuNAND's sake. The console's internal Data Management feature should be able to handle it.

debaserx · Dec 18, 2018

Draxzelex said:
The Emutendo folder is just a copy of the Nintendo folder for usage with EmuNAND. Whatever installed content and save data was used for SysNAND is stored there but considered separate for EmuNAND's sake. The console's internal Data Management feature should be able to handle it.

The switch internal data management only shows the games i installed recently. It doesn't account for the other .nca files. I opted to delete everything in the folder. I didn't lose anything i was currently using. All my saves were backed up with checkpoint. It didn't affect any of the xci files, and seemed to only affect anything installed through .nsp.

nswuser007 · Dec 18, 2018

im just now seeing this as I wanted to figure out how to do lan play. so it seems as tho lan play works , you can goto lan-play site get a server form a country where multiple users are on - add that to the pc app and then configure your ip on the switch to a certain range of options. and proceed.

i read an article that says this is possible someone tested with a ps4! what in the hell - has anyone here successfully played a ps4 on lan play like teh switch method shows?

Erol · Dec 18, 2018

So, Im using SX PRO and linked my Nintendo account with my switch. Now I want to give that switch to someone else. He also wants to use SX PRO. What’s the best way to do this? Just remove the account or use the switch formatting option?

Panpan · Dec 18, 2018

I want to restore a clean NAND-backup to play online again and hopefully don't get banned. But my question is:
Can I anyhow restore my saves for my legit games in a way that won't get me banned? From my 6.2 CFW NAND to my 4.1 NAND-backup?

Zap2000 · Dec 18, 2018

Draxzelex said:
There is no difference in using a USB-C cable or the SX Pro to boot Hekate.

You don't need to activate your license to use Hekate (but you should activate your license anyway).

I recommend using the PC to format the SD card. For cluster size, the default setting is sufficient. If the formatter you are using does not have a default option, its 128 for exFAT and 32 for FAT32.

Also read the rest of the thread in that tutorial. OP was wrong and corrected by someone else. Its fine to run SysNAND on 4.1 and EmuNAND on 6.1
I'll just live the exclusive and unavailable features of SX OS. It has HDD support (but you can install .NSP files via USB on all CFW), its own cheat engine (although other CFW can utilize sys-net cheat), .XCI loading (every CFW can install .XCI files), and EmuNAND. SX OS does not support customization of its CFW meaning you cannot use custom/external kips such as idn_mitm which converts local wireless to LAN. This is useful for Switch LAN Play which allows games that support LAN to be played over the Internet (similar to Xlinkai).
The Emutendo folder is just a copy of the Nintendo folder for usage with EmuNAND. Whatever installed content and save data was used for SysNAND is stored there but considered separate for EmuNAND's sake. The console's internal Data Management feature should be able to handle it.

Ok sweet. After I do my nand back up. Should I use a third party to format fat 32? Or switch ?
Should I use third party prog to check for errors?

Also I was just thinking about the hidden partition emuNAND if card corrupted.
Could I even access that? Or copy it? Yeah how would I wipe that and start a new one would the nand back restore wipe that or not? Would I format wipe the partition Or what would I do?

Also
https://gbatemp.net/threads/tut-dealing-with-nand-emunand-safely.525274/#post-8435256
It dosnt deal with copying a emuNAND on hidden partion does it? Is copying emuNAND nessary really important ?

WiseSalamander · Dec 18, 2018

hi, wanted to throw some quick questions, I am trying to fix this switch that seems bricked by being stuck in the loading logo without charging, I recharged the battery with other switch and tried to get into recovery mode... didn't work, I couldn't get into rcm mode neither... enough to say that I had to trigger the rcm mode by unpluging the emmc memory... then I inject hetake but.. really haven't been able to do much from there, it just keeps on spiting "failing to initialize sd card"... anyhow, now that I did all this ordeal, at least I know most of the switch hardware is okay... now the nand... the problem is that I don't really have a backup of the system since, I never intended to use it for homebrew.. so now I kinda just want to restore it to factory default... is there any payload that can "automatically" fix the system in these "boot loops" cases?... maybe just a way to directly factory reset, or a way reboot into maintenance mode to restore the system from there? (cannot boot into it with the button combos).. any help is appreciated.

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