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Where do you fall on the political spectrum?
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See, you've switched immediately to justifying, which shows that you know there's something offensive/racist there if you're listening from someone else's point of view. There are a million more quotes that show Trump is a racist, but there's no point in me posting any of them because you'll find any excuse for any of them. Just be fine with the fact that the president is a racist if you want to continue supporting him, or otherwise vote him out. He was supposedly just the lesser of two evils in a really shitty election choice anyway.
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I guess I'm leaning to the left side, but mostly I lean towards the "No fuck given, this planet sucks" side.
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I'm on the "political discussions often tear people apart, and siding with one or the other is bound to get you called out" side.
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I'm with you on that to an extent, but at the same time, long periods of collective apathy have been much of what caused this planet to suck in large part.
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He is the figurehead of the United States of America, so uh... no, he's not.
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Yes, actually, I do believe we are
Edit: I also love how you've qualified your statement in a way that would disqualify the famous "they're not sending their best" "they're thugs, rapists..." quote, simply because he tacked on "and some, I assume, are good people"
Which, I mean, objectively DOESN'T make the statement any better
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Ok, I will finish off with this.
The point of a discussion and debate is to hopefully get the other side to see your point of view. Since none of us are willing to budge on our stances, I am going to just dip out of this conversation. I don't want to get upset with anyone, and I don't want anyone to get upset with me. I like all you guys here and I would hate to create an enemy over a political stance. We all have our opinions and I don't want to continue to pointlessly go in circles.
But, I do thank you all for contributing to the discussion.
The point of a discussion and debate is to hopefully get the other side to see your point of view. Since none of us are willing to budge on our stances, I am going to just dip out of this conversation. I don't want to get upset with anyone, and I don't want anyone to get upset with me. I like all you guys here and I would hate to create an enemy over a political stance. We all have our opinions and I don't want to continue to pointlessly go in circles.
But, I do thank you all for contributing to the discussion.
I think that varies greatly. Part of a discussion or a debate can also simply to be exposed to a lot of different points of views and see how they're presented/defended/explained.
Now you're talking less about debate and more about conversion. If it was merely about seeing someone else's point of view, then I think I generally see your point of view. I just don't really agree with it. I hope you see my point of view, even if you don't really agree with it. That's the foundation of tolerance and understanding. If all you're after is conversion, though, then all you'll ever get is strife.
i fall into the category of wanting what’s right. the fact people choose what they believe solely because they’re part of a party and are limited to that parties so called beliefs is half the reason politics is getting nowhere except pissing people off.
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Politics pisses people off because we can't all agree on what's right. Divisive political figures like Trump certainly don't help, and Republicans obviously weren't so abrasive in the past. Even GWB had his humanitarian side and recognized you have to be president for the whole country, not just your own base. Trump instead has his NPD side fighting his Alzheimer's side constantly, which is why he's continued to hold campaign rallies two years into his presidency.
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libertarian-ish
fiscal conservative.
fairly liberal on social issues.
strict constructionist wrt: the Constitution (it's a document. what applies is the intent of its authors. there's no such thing as a 'living document.')
Edit --
Also, disclosure: at 51yo with two kids at 24yo and 15yo, and a third child that passed away at 2yo, and nearly twenty years of practicing criminal or related law, I've got a bit more exposure to 'life' than most here and that tends to tighten up your views over time. 28 years ago I was a college dropout in a band, with hair past my shoulders and a bong under the coffee table. People change. It'll happen to you.
fiscal conservative.
fairly liberal on social issues.
strict constructionist wrt: the Constitution (it's a document. what applies is the intent of its authors. there's no such thing as a 'living document.')
Edit --
Also, disclosure: at 51yo with two kids at 24yo and 15yo, and a third child that passed away at 2yo, and nearly twenty years of practicing criminal or related law, I've got a bit more exposure to 'life' than most here and that tends to tighten up your views over time. 28 years ago I was a college dropout in a band, with hair past my shoulders and a bong under the coffee table. People change. It'll happen to you.
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I'm an extreme liberal in most cases. Laws get outdated, and must be updated along with society.
My strongest opinion is that local governments should make most decisions concerning their community. I think that those that live in a community know what they need best.
Central governments are necessary to conduct international trade and protect civil liberties, but that's where their role should end.
And of course a government should be of the people and for the people. Safeguarding personal freedoms should be the government's primary directive.
Other than that I think it's up to the people to decide their fate. Different economic models etc are not of much concern to me as long as the other tenants are upheld.
Central governments are necessary to conduct international trade and protect civil liberties, but that's where their role should end.
And of course a government should be of the people and for the people. Safeguarding personal freedoms should be the government's primary directive.
Other than that I think it's up to the people to decide their fate. Different economic models etc are not of much concern to me as long as the other tenants are upheld.
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Ah yes, the good ol' days when Republicans at least pretended to care about keeping spending low while simultaneously ballooning the already-bloated defense budget. Sadly, I don't think fiscal conservatism is really a political alignment that exists post-GWB, at least not one that gets any representation in government.
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