Team-Xecuter Demos SX PRO and OS working fully on v5.1.0 Switch

tinkle · Jun 9, 2018

How is this so hard to understand? There are no charging issues with TX OS. Dont listen to anything Mr. "SoC Degradation" says.

valrond · Jun 9, 2018

tinkle said:
How is this so hard to understand? There are no charging issues with TX OS. Dont listen to anything Mr. "SoC Degradation" says.

So, why are some people holding to 4.1.0 or lower? For a very complicated and far in time way of instaling Atmosphere with CFW and enuNAND?. Isn't it easier to have your Switch with the official FW, and if you want to play backups, run SX OS, and don't turn the Switch off? For what? To avoid using the jig and dongle, maybe twice a month?.

I also own a PSVita and I never turn it off.

tinkle · Jun 9, 2018

valrond said:
So, why are some people holding to 4.1.0 or lower? For a very complicated and far in time way of instaling Atmosphere with CFW and enuNAND?. Isn't it easier to have your Switch with the official FW, and if you want to play backups, run SX OS, and don't turn the Switch off? For what? To avoid using the jig and dongle, maybe twice a month?.

I also own a PSVita and I never turn it off.

Yes, they're holding back on updating due to ill-informed fear mongering by people who sacrificed playing actual games to avoid updating, who want to make others suffer with them.

Draxzelex · Jun 9, 2018

tinkle said:
How is this so hard to understand? There are no charging issues with TX OS. Dont listen to anything Mr. "SoC Degradation" says.

There is if you are using AutoRCM and subsequently fully drain the battery. The following is the proof of an experiment laid with numbers and facts:

CTCaer said:
So, Switch charges and does not charges in RCM. xD

The results (battery was 89%):

The switch can charge normally the battery, if the BCT is intact!
In RCM AND in hekate menu.
*BCT is the boot configuration table that autoRCM corrupts.

Tests showed that it was charging with the same current, as in Horison OS.
The current it was drawing with 89% battery, was 800mA - 1000mA, using Switch wall adapter. On PC, it was the max the hub could give.

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The switch cannot charge normally with a corrupt BCT (AutoRCM).
In hekate, it shows similar behavior (read below).
Extra emphasis on the "normally".

With autoRCM, basically a corrupt BCT, the switch behaves differently.
There are 2 behaviors that I saw when connecting to the switch wall charger:

Common - It was draining 140-250mA.

Common after booting to hekate - 200mA - 400mA

Rare (normally if you connect charger after powering off from HOS) - Drain of alternating 250mA and 1000mA, with surges of 2.5A.

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Summary - facts:

Switch can charge completely normally in RCM or Hekate with a BCT intact

The percent % in Horizon OS, after a RCM charge, is not fake.

Switch does not charge normally with AutoRCM, a.k.a corrupt BCT.

Either it charges very slowly or sometimes with a broken slow/fast/slow/fast charge pattern.

Or this behavior is current taken from the USB controller or the BPMP (Nvidia's Boot and Power management processor)

I don't know for behavior .3 what really happens and what Switch does. This can be easily examined, by connecting a current multimeter between battery and switch and check the readings.

valrond said:
So, why are some people holding to 4.1.0 or lower? For a very complicated and far in time way of instaling Atmosphere with CFW and enuNAND?. Isn't it easier to have your Switch with the official FW, and if you want to play backups, run SX OS, and don't turn the Switch off? For what? To avoid using the jig and dongle, maybe twice a month?.

I also own a PSVita and I never turn it off.

Because some of us don't want to keep a Switch in sleep mode or have to resort to using a jig to reboot the exploit (even jigs aren't guaranteed to boot you into RCM). If you can respect someone's decision to not update because they want to hold onto hope for a future exploit that gives them more options than we can respect your decision to either believe said exploits will never come out or seem negligible in the face of our current exploits.

tinkle · Jun 9, 2018

Draxzelex said:
even jigs aren't guaranteed to boot you into RCM

[Citation Needed]

Draxzelex · Jun 9, 2018

tinkle said:
[Citation Needed]

https://gbatemp.net/threads/switch-wont-boot-into-rcm.505172/
https://gbatemp.net/threads/rcm-does-not-work-on-my-switch.503019/
https://gbatemp.net/threads/rcm-dont-boot.502455/
There are just a few examples of users struggling to boot into RCM. I can assure you that there is at least a new thread every week of at least one person complaining their jig is not booting into RCM. This is mostly due to people ordering from different manufacturers and thus using slightly different manufacturing techniques. Really, the jig business has no regulation or way to assure RCM efficiency.

Also, to avoid being misquoted, when I was referring to jigs, I meant those that are currently available on the market. I was not including TX's jig which is obviously more than just a piece of wire connecting pins 7 and 10. I don't believe this will have any issues booting into RCM successfully, but it would be safer to wait and see how everyone fares using them.

CJL18 · Jun 9, 2018

I can see it now this going to come out right around when mario tennis comes out. People are going to download it play it only online and get banned. Then some jackass is gonna make a thread complaning they got banned for playing it for free :0.

kamesenin888 · Jun 9, 2018

Draxzelex said:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/switch-wont-boot-into-rcm.505172/
https://gbatemp.net/threads/rcm-does-not-work-on-my-switch.503019/
https://gbatemp.net/threads/rcm-dont-boot.502455/
There are just a few examples of users struggling to boot into RCM. I can assure you that there is at least a new thread every week of at least one person complaining their jig is not booting into RCM. This is mostly due to people ordering from different manufacturers and thus using slightly different manufacturing techniques. Really, the jig business has no regulation or way to assure RCM efficiency.

Also, to avoid being misquoted, when I was referring to jigs, I meant those that are currently available on the market. I was not including TX's jig which is obviously more than just a piece of wire connecting pins 7 and 10. I don't believe this will have any issues booting into RCM successfully, but it would be safer to wait and see how everyone fares using them.

Well the problem is not that the jigs dont work, is that they use crappy ones

Draxzelex said:
There is if you are using AutoRCM and subsequently fully drain the battery. The following is the proof of an experiment laid with numbers and facts:

Because some of us don't want to keep a Switch in sleep mode or have to resort to using a jig to reboot the exploit (even jigs aren't guaranteed to boot you into RCM). If you can respect someone's decision to not update because they want to hold onto hope for a future exploit that gives them more options than we can respect your decision to either believe said exploits will never come out or seem negligible in the face of our current exploits.

and also you must have a full dead battery on your joycons, full dead battery on your switch, in that cas you have a minor problem

Draxzelex · Jun 9, 2018

kamesenin888 said:
Well the problem is not that the jigs dont work, is that they use crappy ones

We lack a way to differentiate between crappy jigs and quality jigs. Don't exactly have an ESRB for jigs.

kamesenin888 said:
and also you must have a full dead battery on your joycons, full dead battery on your switch, in that cas you have a minor problem

Joy-con battery is irrelevant since with TX's product the jig is used to enter RCM using the pins on the Switch not within the Joy-Cons. Also what you perceive as a minor problem can become numerous threads of users who are less capable of figuring out the problem that creates unnecessary clutter which could be mitigated if TX was a little more clear about using AutoRCM.

HellaJvke · Jun 9, 2018

where do i buy one of these devices? (tx one)
i saw a link for the pre-orders are they still for sale?
im on 5.1 and use my switch for hulu and love finding obscure titles for my nintendo devices

so i found the shop01 site... and it looks almost "Sketchy"

has anyone made purchases from there before , plus its out of stock

anyone have advice for me?

valrond · Jun 9, 2018

HellaJvke said:
where do i buy one of these devices? (tx one)
i saw a link for the pre-orders are they still for sale?
im on 5.1 and use my switch for hulu and love finding obscure titles for my nintendo devices

so i found the shop01 site... and it looks almost "Sketchy"

has anyone made purchases from there before , plus its out of stock

anyone have advice for me?

Yep. There are some stores in team xecuter homepage. Browse them and pick one.

gene0915 · Jun 9, 2018

Draxzelex said:
There is if you are using AutoRCM and subsequently fully drain the battery. The following is the proof of an experiment laid with numbers and facts:

Because some of us don't want to keep a Switch in sleep mode or have to resort to using a jig to reboot the exploit (even jigs aren't guaranteed to boot you into RCM). If you can respect someone's decision to not update because they want to hold onto hope for a future exploit that gives them more options than we can respect your decision to either believe said exploits will never come out or seem negligible in the face of our current exploits.

Not really directed to you but as I've said before, people have to remember that if you're on a FW beyond (I believe 3.0.2), you will have to (more than likely) access some web site with your switch in order to boot into Atmosphere. Don't know about you, but having to pick between a portable dongle/jig vs. a web site to enter CFW.....gimme the SX Pro any time!

I really think Nintendo is going to be making FW 5.x a requirement for newer, big ticket games. If emunand isn't perfected whenever Atmosphere is released, it's going to be a long, difficult wait for people chomping at the bit to play the latest and greatest games. Well, for those without a SX Pro.

I remember when emunand was the talk of the town on the Wii/Wii U/3DS, and then in short order, nobody gave a crap about using emunand because easier/better methods came along that removed all shackles from the hardware. I see the Switch as no different. The SX Pro will remain the champ unless/until some sort of 'Brazilian' hack comes along since it will support homebrew and backups right out of the gate. I'm guessing the only reason people want emunand is to play eShop titles and try and shield themselves from being banned. (But a banned emunand=banned sysnand.)

If T-X gets eShop titles working (I know Yooka Laylee has been dumped but until the SX Pro releases, we don't know if that eShop title will work on it) that's 1 less reason to use Atmosphere.)

With Atmosphere, it's going to be more inconvenient to boot into CFW if you're beyond FW 3.0.2 and not nearly as easy as the dongle/jig from T-X. Plus, since SciresM is against piracy, you'll have to wait for a while to arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr matey!

I think the only people that should be holding out for Atmosphere are folks sitting on a 1.0.0 Switch. It might seem I'm dumping on SciresM but I'm not. Him and his team are some talented folks! It's just that the T-X solution (while costing money) is the quicker path to backup loading and will be easier to boot into CFW and use homebrew apps with.

But if you don't care about piracy and want to turn your Switch into a portable, ROM emulating/media system for free.........and don't mind a slight increase in degree of difficult to boot CFW, then Atmosphere is for you.

Draxzelex · Jun 9, 2018

@gene0915 I believe those are valid points you brought up. For a community, it is objectively better to have more options to run homebrew. Being stuck using a jig may be simple but it forces everyone to buy one and they may not even be available in their respective area. Since I keep my Switch in a room separate from my computer, it would be much easier to load a webpage to run CFW than connect a USB cable to my computer.

Also, I see another potential usefulness to EmuNAND. Because TX's CFW runs on SysNAND, updating to the latest firmware seems risky as you will be sending Nintendo potentially ban-worthy information. If TX offered EmuNAND, then we could run the backups safely on SysNAND offline while playing legitimately acquired games on EmuNAND online. Its nice to see that it is on their wishlist because haphazardly recommending users to be online just to update their games, use the eShop, or buy DLC is going to warrant a billion threads of users asking how to get unbanned.

Whichever one is better or worse cannot be said at the moment. Backup launching can become available either tomorrow or in 10 years, no one can say for sure. The same can be said for Atmosphere as it is clearly a work-in-progress. I have not seen TX mention running eShop titles in any of their FAQs but if you could find a source for that, I would appreciate that. Nevertheless, since neither one is publicly available and both have features that the other lacks, it is soon to decide which one will be better or not. We will have to wait and see where the chips fall.

subcon959 · Jun 9, 2018

gene0915 said:
With Atmosphere, it's going to be more inconvenient to boot into CFW if you're beyond FW 3.0.2 and not nearly as easy as the dongle/jig from T-X. Plus, since SciresM is against piracy, you'll have to wait for a while to arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr matey!

I can't think of any reason why you couldn't use the same jig and dongle to boot Atmosphere instead so that doesn't seem like a differentiating point.

Wombo Combo · Jun 9, 2018

So is there anyway to dump or install DLC for switch games like BOTW and other DLC for single player games? Does anyone know if Team Xecuter mentioned the possibility of it or not yet?

Thetoto · Jun 9, 2018

Wombo Combo said:
So is there anyway to dump or install DLC for switch games like BOTW and other DLC for single player games? Does anyone know if Team Xecuter mentioned the possibility of it or not yet?

They said "Soon[emoji769]"

Wombo Combo · Jun 9, 2018

Thetoto said:
They said "Soon[emoji769]"

I guess the question I was trying to ask is has anyone actually dumped DLC?

DocKlokMan · Jun 9, 2018

Wombo Combo said:
I guess the question I was trying to ask is has anyone actually dumped DLC?

No, no DLC has been dumped. Only one eShop games was dumped. No updates, no DLC.

Thetoto · Jun 9, 2018

You can dump your nand and try to extract dlc/update

Nollog · Jun 9, 2018

Thetoto said:
You can dump your nand and try to extract dlc/update

But we don't have an installer, do we?

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