Hacking [Weird Thing] Downgrading EmuNAND on N3DS help

cai_miao · Jun 12, 2017

I know it's a weird question for the b9s/sighax scene... But I'm just little freaky and wanted to do something crazy.

I'm on a b9s 1.2/Luma 8.0 Japanese N3DS console and attempt downgrading my 9.2.0-20J EmuNAND to 4.4.0-10J (yes, back to o3ds generation),
using that sysUpdater by profi200 with a update package downloaded by 3DNUS (missing mset and spider from Internet),
and showing

I don't really know what's up with Homemenu title,
but I guess it's protected by CFWs (most CFWs include forced FIRM protection for noobs),
I tried CakesFW (as FIRM protection can turn off) but it have problem with b9s and keep giving me "failed to decrypt cetk" error and can't do anything.

Really headache. If anyone can provide information of downgrading, I would greatly appreciate.

I_AM_L_FORCE · Jun 12, 2017

A better way would be to do a 2.1 ctrtransfer to said emunand and then cart upgrade to 4.5. I am curious though, why?

cai_miao · Jun 12, 2017

I_AM_L_FORCE said:
A better way would be to do a 2.1 ctrtransfer to said emunand and then cart upgrade to 4.5. I am curious though, why?

I can't find a proper 2.1 ctrtransfer package, and most important thing is: most CFW don't support NAND lower than 3.x.
I want to do this since KTR consoles lack of CHN Region package, and I'm just want to region change one to make my little dream come true.

I_AM_L_FORCE · Jun 12, 2017

cai_miao said:
I can't find a proper 2.1 ctrtransfer package, and most important thing is: most CFW don't support NAND lower than 3.x.
I want to do this since KTR consoles lack of CHN Region package, and I'm just want to region change one to make my little dream come true.

Ah, very true. Still, it could mess up your MCU and leave you bricked couldn't it?

cai_miao · Jun 13, 2017

I_AM_L_FORCE said:
Ah, very true. Still, it could mess up your MCU and leave you bricked couldn't it?

It seems safe still but I'm not really know.

I_AM_L_FORCE · Jun 13, 2017

Well one way you could do it which is a REALLY old way would be to downgrade the emunand to 4.5 using sysupdater, then using the OTPhelper arm9 payload to "fix" the NAND

The Real Jdbye · Jun 13, 2017

cai_miao said:
I know it's a weird question for the b9s/sighax scene... But I'm just little freaky and wanted to do something crazy.

I'm on a b9s 1.2/Luma 8.0 Japanese N3DS console and attempt downgrading my 9.2.0-20J EmuNAND to 4.4.0-10J (yes, back to o3ds generation),
using that sysUpdater by profi200 with a update package downloaded by 3DNUS (missing mset and spider from Internet),
and showing
View attachment 89866

I don't really know what's up with Homemenu title,
but I guess it's protected by CFWs (most CFWs include forced FIRM protection for noobs),
I tried CakesFW (as FIRM protection can turn off) but it have problem with b9s and keep giving me "failed to decrypt cetk" error and can't do anything.

Really headache. If anyone can provide information of downgrading, I would greatly appreciate.

Just installing older titles alone won't be enough to boot an o3DS firmware, you also need to change the encryption and header of the NAND so that the 3DS treats it as an o3DS NAND, that can be done with OTPHelper like the person above me mentioned.
However, I'm not sure if CFW will support booting an o3DS emuNAND on a n3DS, I see no reason why it wouldn't, but at the same time it's not something people ever do and so it's largely untested and may not work.

GizmoTheGreen · Jun 13, 2017

why do you need to downgrade to 4.5 to regionchange you n3ds though?

wsquan171 · Jun 13, 2017

Simply downgrading with o3ds system titles won't work, as mentioned by The Real Jdbye. The easiest way I can think of is to simply do a 9.2 ctrnand transfer (o3ds image) then downgrade from there. 9.2 images are easier to find. magnets are available here: https://3ds.guide/region-changing

As a side note, OTP helper does not have B9S support. You probably need to access it via hb channel on 9.2 emunand, or convert to .firm payload yourself.
OTP helper's page is here: https://gbatemp.net/threads/release-otphelper-otp-dumping-downgrade-helper.416996/

Good luck!

I_AM_L_FORCE · Jun 13, 2017

wsquan171 said:
Simply downgrading with o3ds system titles won't work, as mentioned by The Real Jdbye. The easiest way I can think of is to simply do a 9.2 ctrnand transfer (o3ds image) then downgrade from there. 9.2 images are easier to find. magnets are available here: https://3ds.guide/region-changing

As a side note, OTP helper does not have B9S support. You probably need to access it via hb channel on 9.2 emunand, or convert to .firm payload yourself.
OTP helper's page is here: https://gbatemp.net/threads/release-otphelper-otp-dumping-downgrade-helper.416996/

Good luck!

That would fail due to 7.x crypto.

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