Homebrew Aureinand or 10.7 battery drain problem?

Ghost Liberator · Apr 11, 2016

And if you'll keep on "it's no the battery" then take the system to a technician to check for possible bridges in the circuit, as said before AuReiNand isn't the thing that's draining the battery, it doesn't work that way, if you're using EmuNand, that's a different story tho, EmuNand is readed from the sd card, which means that the console has to be reading the sd card to mantain the system going. If you don't know that you are in EmuNand follow this steps.

1.- turn yor console on.
2.- wait for the homemenu
3.- when in homemenu remove your sd card and see if the consoe freezes.
4.- if it indeed freezes then you are playing in emunand which drains battery faster, even in sleep mode.
4b.- if it doesn't freeze and the problem goes on, take it to a technician to check for bridges in the circuit.
5.- If the technician says tha it's the battery. DON'T GO "UUHHH IT'S NOT THE BATTERY I KNOW MY STUFF", a technician knows more about these things than you, i and @Crystal the Glaceon know this things better than you, i know how a Li-ion battery works, and also 3ds battery lasts 3-5 hours of gameplay, so if you're playing MH4 which uses more resources IT'S OBVIOUS IT WOULD LAST LESS TIME! and even less if you use the screen at it's full brightness

source on how long does the 3ds battery lasts https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Support/...-/How-long-does-the-battery-last--242771.html

Kingofknights · Apr 11, 2016

Since it took a longtime for you to write that so you probably dint look at my post above so i wont quote you this one (it also kinda long).
1. I already said above that even i feel stupid for blaming it on Aureinand, i thought we all good on this?
2. Nah i wont trust you electronic professional when it comes to battery. Why? Because the store i bought my smartphone battery you know with electronic pro suggest that i should charge the battery 3 times 8 hours each when i bought a brand new battery. You know that black ritual that you do to the battery that existed 15 years ago. Even the biggest smartphone company in my country has an article about battery that is so wrong in many levels. Hey you might be right about everything else since you're a pro but when it comes to battery, somehow almost everybody's knowledge is from 15 years ago

Edit: i didnt address your point about me having bad battery have the same probability as other possibilities cuz it kinda long

Deleted User · Apr 11, 2016

"black ritual" lol

Tomy Sakazaki · Apr 11, 2016

LinkSoraZelda said:
That's a fault of emunand, that's all.

Yup, but if I've had paid attention to the console, I would shut it down completely before putting on my bag.
Maybe OP problem is similar to it.

Ghost Liberator · Apr 11, 2016

Kingofknights said:
Since it took a longtime for you to write that so you probably dint look at my post above so i wont quote you this one (it also kinda long).
1. I already said above that even i feel stupid for blaming it on Aureinand, i thought we all good on this?
2. Nah i wont trust you electronic professional when it comes to battery. Why? Because the store i bought my smartphone battery you know with electronic pro suggest that i should charge the battery 3 times 8 hours each when i bought a brand new battery. You know that black ritual that you do to the battery that existed 15 years ago. Even the biggest smartphone company in my country has an article about battery that is so wrong in many levels. Hey you might be right about everything else since you're a pro but when it comes to battery, somehow almost everybody's knowledge is from 15 years ago

Edit: i didnt address your point about me having bad battery have the same probability as other possibilities cuz it kinda long

if knowledge from 15 years ago refers on how to keep a battery working good, then you're missing my point. Li-ion battery =/= Niquel battery, i know that, Niquel batteries even have to get use to even know how much battery they have and let's not talk about memmory effect, Li-ion by the part are different, these have full potential from it's first use, and has little, if not null memmory effect, don't get problems from overcharging because of the hardware they're inside (you can actually overcharge li-ion batteries if yo charge them directly using wires which can cause flames), and don't need to be charged up to 12 hours for first use.

Did you follow my every instruction to test the battery?, do you use emunand?, does your contry have high temperatures? li-ion batteries still suffer from heat you know?

Kingofknights · Apr 11, 2016

So the 1st test is done, here are the results
Set up: Brightness 3, No sound, Open mh4u, create a Hall with password, switch to the 1st town since it has lots of NPC, basically wifi working all the time
Time: 5:10pm to 8:55pm so about 3hours45mins
If i solo and turn the wifi off, the battery can atleast be played for 4hours and a half or even 5.
So first we can agree that this battery is still rocking right? RIGHT? Good then that's the only reasons why i diminish every "bad battery" suggesting. Can you define a "bad battery" with this play time?

Since there will be some time b4 i can do the 2nd test. Let's do some analysis to see how full of sht gbatemp members are shall we? Let's play a game "Spot the rudeness"

Kingofknights said:
So me and my friend just switch to 10.7 with Reinand (my friend), Aureinand (me cuz bottom screen splash) and somehow the 3ds suddenly wasnt able to hold their charge. One time i left the 3ds turn off (not sleep) for over a day and when turned on it was flashing red. Also i notice that my playtime from full charge to red reduce drastically (mh4u). Is this Reinand fault or 10.7? I used Rxtool 9.5 Emunand before the upgrade and it was fine. Any help appreciate, thanks
Btw, i use quick shutdown homebrew to turn off the 3ds

Crystal the Glaceon said:
That sounds like your battery might just be shot. If you leave it on charge too much (like overnight) it can ruin the battery and kill the battery life.

This is my post and @Crystal the Glaceon reply. I bolded it, this is the thing that came from a technician's mouth. Others alr debunked it so no need for me right? And my answer to her reply fully knowing that she didnt know anything about lion

Kingofknights said:
This is lion battery and i know my stuffs sorry. Me and my friend both have it and we both upgrade at the same time

rudeness count: 0

Crystal the Glaceon said:
Batteries can break and this just sounds like a broken battery to me.
I've been using AuReiNAND since she first launched it and I've have not run into a single battery problem. In fact, I just woke up, my 3DS was not on charge the entire night and it's still showing a full battery.

Ok, in my post i use "drastically" in a wrong way and that does indeed suggesting a bad battery but in the next post i state my doubt

Kingofknights said:
so it just breaks in like one week time when it was fine like 3 months ago when i bought it? Also i rarely charge it overnight (maybe 3 times max) and the 3ds can cut the charge when the battery full so there's no overcharge here. Again it's lion battery, pls do your research

I still think she didnt know her stuffs so i told her to do her research. Pretty normal, rudeness count: 0

Crystal the Glaceon said:
Why not try a different battery to find out? There could also be something internally wrong with your 3DS.
And I know what a lion battery is, but that doesn't mean it can't break. From what you've described, it sounds like a broken battery to me, from my experience with repairing electronics. I could easily be wrong, but I am not there to physically check the battery for any defects, I am only going off what you are describing.
Edit: All I know is, it's not AuReiNAND that is the issue here.

Kingofknights said:
1st, it didnt break, i can still play like 4 or 5 hours (mh4u) but it feels shorter, and it feel like the battery drain while the console is off. 2nd, distributing what? I'm only asking for help cuz i dont know what cause it, the only lead i have is 10.7 upgrade a week ago

I restate my problem since "drastically" was overdone, "feel" it is more accuracy. Nothing here right? rudeness count: 0

Crystal the Glaceon said:
Sorry, my auto correct changed the word "describing" to "disturbing" because reasons.
And I am providing an answer based off what I am reading. I've had well over 10 years of experience repairing electronics. I've seen these kinds of things happen before on phones, laptops, and even other 3DS's and 90% of the time the battery was bad. The other 10% there was a short in the system itself.

Kingofknights said:
Well thanks anyway, i know it's not the battery cuz it can still be played for a long time if use continously but somehow cant hold its charge overnight.
It look like this: Play a whole evening for over 5hours with full charge
Play 1 hour in day 1, 1 hour day 2, 1 hour day 3 for a total of 3. 2 hours gone while console was off

Politeness count: 1, rudeness count: 0, This is my 1st attemp to rule out the "bad battery" problem, then this jacka** came

Xenosaiga said:
Don't bother. They won't listen cause they know better than you even though they don't know what it is either.

Kingofknights said:
I know the battery but i dont know what cause it to drain. The only thing you guy have been suggesting is bad battery which i already said it's not the battery. I played for 3 hours now and it still show 3 bars. The fact that it drains overtime while turning off is a mystery

Seriously i sense some hostile toward me but i still managed to reply politely to him. That clearly was meant to mock me and of course i know about MY battery's condition better than anyone else. After that i reply casually to some ppl that do not use "bad battery"
And.......wtf, where is the post when @Crystal the Glaceon claimed that her battery is still the same after 4 years.....oh she edited it...ok WEll MOVING ON
This is my reponse btw

Kingofknights said:
I stop at the part where you said your battery is the same after 4 years. Nobody gonna take you seriously after that

It could be me paranoid. Maybe me playing 1 hour each time makes it feel shorter, anyway, I'll keep observing to see how thing goes and actualy provide some data

Now you get why i wont take her serious anymore. Me being paranoid is actually a better anwser to "bad battery" seriously.
Then came the almighty @Ghost Liberator. His post is long so no quote, #41 check that. My reponses were

Kingofknights said:
Finally, someone said something intelligent. Yea feel stupid now after reading your post. Why did i assump that it's a software problem. But then it could be like the poster above you state that the 3ds sometimes cant be turned off properly. Maybe the 3ds was turned off but the wifi card didnt and kept using some battery, do you think that could happen?

This is what im gonna do when i get home:
Full charge the 3ds, open mh4u, create onl room with password,leave the 3ds then count the time it goes from fullcharge to red.
Full charge again, do the exact same thing but 1 hour each, 5 hours between each test to see if leaving it turned off drain any juice. I'll have the data by tmr evening. Until then
Edit: ??????

That finally part can be a bit rude so...rudeness count: 0.5. Boled, im open to any reasonable opinions and advice. I'm a scientist (kinda), provide me a good evident then i will listen willing to correct myself. THEN somehow came THIS

Ghost Liberator said:
EDIT: if you want to check things fast, fully charge your 3ds and have your friend's 3DS fully charged too, remove the batteries and check with a tester, if the tester shows that your batter has less volts than the one from your friend, then say goodbye to some money, the battery is not in a good condition and buying a new one is what you need to do

Do all of these tests, then fully charge your 3ds and check when turned off, write your results, then ask your friend to do the same, 3ds fully charged and check with a tester, of course it could be a pain in the ass to check the battery every one hour with a tester. if that doesn't work, make the same process, but instead of checking with a tester turn the console on and then off ever 1 hour, if your 3ds gets to red BEFORE your friends 3ds could be a bridge. Lastly, swap the batteries and check, if by then YOUR FRIENDS 3DS gets to red before yours then it's a battery problem, and if that's the case APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE WHO TRIED TO HELP YOU

Kingofknights said:
What do you mean by tester? English is not my native so i dont know of it's some kind of tools or smt.
I cant do all of that cuz my friend live faraway. The only thing i can do is to test if the 3ds drain the battery while turning off.
If it's not the battery then what? Why should i apologize when so far nobody has been "tried" to help rather than just a "your battery is bad no matter what you say and fix it noob". Ofc some poster dont know and just want to be helpful, but those that ignore all my post and just keep forcing their "opinion" on me is worst.
Btw, try to find a bad battery with 5hours mh4u playtime

So i snapped........................
Until this point, since when did i show any rudeness to people that has been commenting? i dont even reply to most people here. From here on somehow it's just turn into a different discussion. Less focus on the helping but rather to make me look like a bad guy

If you read the thread somehow you get that feeling that i was being rude, heck even i sense it but i can explain that. Imaging you are student that know your teachers teach smt wrong and you want to correct it, the problem is that your classmate dont know anything either so they take the teachers side and tell you to shut up. You snap and the conversation got heated then you get where i came from. You are the one at fault for challenging the teachers

This time it's an unknown guys that got cocky and think that he knows better than a technician when it comes to battery and challenge him...... Ok she was helping and i showed my appreciations, still wrong is wrong, im just pointing out.

You guys can stop playing the victim game now, the only rude one here is @Xenoxaiga when he started it on the 1st page and i handled it pretty well already, and maybe @Ghost Liberator for accusing me, dont know if he read the whole thing.

Anyway, battery life still good, maybe it's just me paranoid bc playing a little bit here and there make me lose my sense of time. As for my friend....he probably was thinking the same since we are best friend

)))

BTW, IM A TEACHER...will be.....

edit: @Ghost Liberator I saw your post but dont want to reply, if you are not one of those fake technician then sure, didnt assump you were anyway

The Catboy · Apr 11, 2016

Xenosaiga · Apr 11, 2016

And now I'm gonna be an ass. Your battery is shot. So you can use it for a few hours after its charged? Good for you. But it's not holding a charge.

Your battery is shot. It may be "usable" but it won't hold a charge. Your battery is shot.

The battery isn't working the way it is supposed to? Your battery is shot.

You want another fricken test???? Charge the battery. ALL THE WAY. You charge the battery. And then leave it out all night.

And then the next morning? Put your battery back in. If it's dead again? THEN YOUR BATTERY IS SHOT.

If you still think otherwise after doing such then not only is your battery shot but then so is your brain. Then again it's probably just that "Teacher" complex. "I'm a teacher with a degree so obviously anything you say is wrong because I'm a teacher and I know better because I teach other people therefore people are stupider than me".

You wanted rude? Well that's me being rude. Do you also want fries with that?

Kingofknights · Apr 11, 2016

Xenosaiga said:
And again I'm gonna be an ass. Your battery is shot. So you can use it for a few hours after its charged? Good for you. But it's not holding a charge.

Your battery is shot. It may be "usable" but it won't hold a charge. Your battery is shot.

The battery isn't working the way it is supposed to? Your battery is shot.

You want another fricken test???? Charge the battery. ALL THE WAY. You charge the battery. And then leave it out all night.

And then the next morning? Put your battery back in. If it's dead again? THEN YOUR BATTERY IS SHOT.

If you still think otherwise after doing such then not only is your battery shot but then so is your brain. Then again it's probably just that "Teacher" complex. "I'm a teacher with a degree so obviously anything you say is wrong because I'm a teacher and I know better because I teach other people therefore people are stupider than me".

You wanted rude? Well that's me being rude. Do you also want fries with that?

Xenosaiga · Apr 11, 2016

Xenosaiga said:
No issues with Aureinand 4.2 or system version 10.7 here.

My N3DS has been unhooked since yesterday morning at 05:30. So as of right now it has been unhooked and powered on with a game loaded, Hyrule Warriors Legends which is a battery hog itself, for almost 30 hours now and my battery indicator is still showing as full.

So like people are saying it's very possible your battery has just gone bad. It can happen as you don't know how long your system sat on the shelf too.

Also, who's to say the quick shutdown app you use isn't the culprit as well?

Just to rule out the battery itself just go ahead and buy a replacement or if you are feeling adventurous fill out a warranty claim and see if Nintendo will send you a new battery. Just don't tell them you are using any CFW or any hax.

Kingofknights said:
I know the battery but i dont know what cause it to drain. The only thing you guy have been suggesting is bad battery which i already said it's not the battery. I played for 3 hours now and it still show 3 bars. The fact that it drains overtime while turning off is a mystery

Multiple attempts to help from multiple people. You shoot down everyone's advice telling them they are wrong.

"You guys are only saying it's the battery"
Not true. I had suggested that the "quick shutdown" you use was the culprit. You sir are the one that started off as rude with the "No, you are wrong. It's not the battery but my battery isn't working right"

You contradict yourself with every statement. And then you get mad when people decide not to help. You are the reason for people's "rudeness" I was being an ass earlier. I was just telling people not to bother because their suggestion had already been mentioned by someone else and then shot down by you because "You know what the problem is but don't know what it is".

I wasn't gonna be an ass until you decided you had to keep singling me out as "Then there's this guy"

So sorry if your feelings got hurt because people on the Internet are being assholes... But you get treated the way you treat others and since you are treating very qualified GBAtemp veterans and myself as if we are blithering simpletons them you will get treated the same way.

The Catboy · Apr 11, 2016

Kingofknights said:
This is my post and @Crystal the Glaceon reply. I bolded it, this is the thing that came from a technician's mouth. Others alr debunked it so no need for me right? And my answer to her reply fully knowing that she didnt know anything about lion

rudeness count: 0

Ok, in my post i use "drastically" in a wrong way and that does indeed suggesting a bad battery but in the next post i state my doubt

I still think she didnt know her stuffs so i told her to do her research. Pretty normal, rudeness count: 0

Something I would like to correct. I was wrong in suggesting that one night could break your battery. Yes, there are safe guards to prevent overcharge, but it's still never suggested to leave your battery on charge for long periods of time. Just because there's a safe guard, doesn't mean it can't fail or even a small short can't happen.
I am going off my experience repairing electronics and when someone comes to me with these results, it's normally battery related and they left their product on charge for extreme periods of time. Now of course, I am talking days to even weeks of leaving them on charge with possibly other factors (the wiring in most of these places are complete shit and blackouts/power surges are regular.) Now of course, being that you are random person online, I don't know how you treat your batteries, thus I am just going to go with what I do know. And what I do know, is what you are describing sounds like battery problem or hardware related. I suggest at least trying a different battery to at least eliminate the battery as a problem. If the other battery has issues, then it's most likely a hardware related issue. That is how troubleshooting works, you need to test everything fully through to determine the issue, before eliminating the problem.

leonmagnus99 · Apr 11, 2016

try calibrating the battery, drain it down to 0.
till it shuts off by itself, then fully charge it without using the ds.

Kingofknights · Apr 11, 2016

Xenosaiga said:
Multiple attempts to help from multiple people. You shoot down everyone's advice telling them they are wrong.

"You guys are only saying it's the battery"
Not true. I had suggested that the "quick shutdown" you use was the culprit. You sir are the one that started off as rude with the "No, you are wrong. It's not the battery but my battery isn't working right"

You contradict yourself with every statement. And then you get mad when people decide not to help. You are the reason for people's "rudeness" I was being an ass earlier. I was just telling people not to bother because their suggestion had already been mentioned by someone else and then shot down by you because "You know what the problem is but don't know what it is".

I wasn't gonna be an ass until you decided you had to keep singling me out as "Then there's this guy"

So sorry if your feelings got hurt because people on the Internet are being assholes... But you get treated the way you treat others and since you are treating very qualified GBAtemp veterans and myself as if we are blithering simpletons them you will get treated the same way.

Then what am i supposed to say when it indeed is working great and what's wrong with being wrong. You being wrong is not the end of the world isnt it?
Your way of telling ppl not to care also not nice. I do take your suggestion about the quick shutdown app. I even checked the dev thread to see if there is any new updates, i didnt reply to that since maybe i got distract by Crystal and kept replying to her only

@Crystal the Glaceon then you should have ended it right there," i should do more testing" is smt i said way early on. The 4 years claim is what killed everything you said.

Anyway, the likelyhood of me being paranoid about the playtime seem high, i made this thread on a whim after speaking with my friend anyway. With no data to back it up and i only "feel" it 2 times maybe. If it turned out to be true then at least I unknowingly pull off some performance right?

@^ I heard that it helps to make the battery reading more accuracy but is it really work? And last time it was blinking red anw so let just say i alr did it

Halvorsen · Apr 11, 2016

What does any of this have to do with a battery?
Normally rulenazis would be all in here telling you to either keep it in private messages (subliminal message) because no one cares about who said what and it's clogging up the board.
Btw, if your battery doesn't seem to hold a charge, your console either
A) doesn't turn off correctly
B) your battery is dead
C) a placebo effect.
Got it? Gud.

Hamstermascot · Apr 11, 2016

Crystal the Glaceon said:
That sounds like your battery might just be shot. If you leave it on charge too much (like overnight) it can ruin the battery and kill the battery life.

Atually. All 3ds models have a safety for this. It pretty much stops the "flow". Most modern electronics using a lithium-ion battery have this. Doesn't mean that with prolonged use it won't go bad though. There is no battery in existence that takes care of the issue. It just takes longer.

Deleted-236924 · Apr 11, 2016

Kingofknights said:
@Crystal the Glaceon then you should have ended it right there," i should do more testing" is smt i said way early on. The 4 years claim is what killed everything you said.

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it false.
I've had my 3DS since December 2011 and battery life on it is still pretty much just as good as it used to be then... and it doesn't randomly lose all its charge in a day while powered off like yours does. The only time this would happen, was when I kept it in sleep mode all day with my DSTwo inserted which is a -massive- battery drain. That was the only reason why it was always flashing red by the end of the day, being in sleep mode the whole time.

Heck, I've had my Gameboy Advance SP since like, what, 2004? And it doesn't even come -close- to having the kind of problem your 3DS has. Battery life on my SP are just fine, and it's been sitting there powered off for weeks and rarely used, but battery in it isn't discharged.

Same for my DS Lite... had it since December 2006, and it doesn't even come close to what your 3DS is experiencing.

Finally, I would recommend you read up on what fallacies are, because even assuming what she said there was false, it does not in any way discredit anything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

EmuAGR · Apr 11, 2016

This thread is something. I was surprised days ago that my new N3DS drained its battery in less than 24h with everything at minimum and energy saving, looking for StreetPass. I don't remember it drained so fast before, the battery is in good condition.

The Catboy · Apr 11, 2016

Kingofknights said:
Then what am i supposed to say when it indeed is working great and what's wrong with being wrong. You being wrong is not the end of the world isnt it?
Your way of telling ppl not to care also not nice. I do take your suggestion about the quick shutdown app. I even checked the dev thread to see if there is any new updates, i didnt reply to that since maybe i got distract by Crystal and kept replying to her only

@Crystal the Glaceon then you should have ended it right there," i should do more testing" is smt i said way early on. The 4 years claim is what killed everything you said.

Anyway, the likelyhood of me being paranoid about the playtime seem high, i made this thread on a whim after speaking with my friend anyway. With no data to back it up and i only "feel" it 2 times maybe. If it turned out to be true then at least I unknowingly pull off some performance right?

@^ I heard that it helps to make the battery reading more accuracy but is it really work? And last time it was blinking red anw so let just say i alr did it

Actually, I've been testing my batteries since I've gotten them, because I don't know they shape they were in. Since they were used 3DS's, I took it upon myself to regularly monitor their batteries. In fact, every Thursday, I back up my NAND's and upload them to several sites. From there, I charge them to full, then let them die and time the results. I've been doing this for all of my electronics with a battery. Most of my results have shown little to no change in the battery life, with only games like MH4 or my Supercard DSTwo causing greater battery drain. I've been doing these tests every Thursday since getting the systems because I like to be head of the game and if something were to break, I have the money then to replace it.
Regardless of my statement, it doesn't discredit my advice. You asked for help and we all gave the same answer. I am pretty sure if a community can agree that it sounds like a battery issue, then it sounds like a battery issue. Instead, you acted hostile towards everyone without even attempting to test out the battery. You are the one who chose to ignore troubleshooting advice and now you are the one nitpicking statements in some strange attempt to discredit everyone trying to help you.

Hamstermascot said:
Atually. All 3ds models have a safety for this. It pretty much stops the "flow". Most modern electronics using a lithium-ion battery have this. Doesn't mean that with prolonged use it won't go bad though. There is no battery in existence that takes care of the issue. It just takes longer.

Yes, I mentioned that I wasn't completely correct, but it's still not advised to leave any electronic plugged in for long. There is always a chance for something go wrong, even a simple short can happen. Although, most of the time when something does go wrong, it's often the result of leaving the battery plugged in for days to weeks or faulty wiring.

Charganium · Apr 11, 2016

Kingofknights said:
BTW, IM A TEACHER...will be.....

An English teacher?

Hamstermascot · Apr 11, 2016

Crystal the Glaceon said:
Yes, I mentioned that I wasn't completely correct, but it's still not advised to leave any electronic plugged in for long. There is always a chance for something go wrong, even a simple short can happen. Although, most of the time when something does go wrong, it's often the result of leaving the battery plugged in for days to weeks or faulty wiring.

Ahh I actually just replied before reading the whole thread. 4 pages is a bit much for the lazy. I did read page 3 and 4 now and the thing I just get out of everything is that his battery is 'leaking'. Not in the sense of actually losing stuff. Some of the cells just failing on him. He could probably fix this with the retro battery in the freezer trick.

Something else that could be going on is that he doesn't have it turned off at all and is playing gba games. Even if you put the 3ds in sleep mode it will just continue to drain the same amount as when its turned on.

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