Hacking [SPECULATION] Current State of Affairs for 3DS Flash Cards.

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Where is that from?
This individual "garyOPA" is the founder of TB and admin of the official GW support forum.

Which seems quite the coincidence.

Yeap. Steena, please do post up any links that you've discovered. Until then, this is really really really really unusable for this thread.
Not really a discovery, I thought everyone knew this? His name was widely known in the PS3 hacking scene, the TrueBlue was the only means to play games with FW above 3.55 for a very LONG time.

http://www.ps3news.com/ps3-hacks-ja...ed-true-blue-official-features-now-confirmed/

A quick search in google will lead you to a lot of information.

And this is the bricking code threat that I was referring to:

http://www.ps3hax.net/2012/04/true-blue-in-panic-mode-threatens-all-jb-clones/tb2/

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Not really a secret, though.

EDIT: the official post talks about HDD content deletion "and other things", not necessarily bricking the system, but yeah.
 
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Just a minor update.

Did a quick whois lookup on the host that MT-card is using. The file host is registered to a Hong Kong address.

Hong Kong =/= to China.

This is interesting....
 

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UPDATE1 (24/03/2014 0830)

some of you may have been convinced that its utter bull due to the lack of the mythical CPU. It could simply be a translation error. I chose the word CPU because it was on the MT-card website. More accurately, the original untranslated version means something like chip or chipset. I just chose the word CPU for context to the website. The website also probably chose CPU due to translation issues as well. CPU sounds more impressive than chip. Heck, I've even seen chinese portable battery chargers to be advertised with having a quad core CPU inside to prevent over charging.

I mentioned this before but I really want this comment to get more attention- If there really is going to be a version with a mythical CPU, then I believe it is very likely that they would just replace their Actel ProASIC3's (FPGA) with a pin compatible ProASIC3 with embedded CortexM1 SOC. Specifically this would be using part M1A3P250 instead of A3P250. They would be sacrificing logic space inside of the FPGA and the physical FPGA's would be slightly more expensive from their end, however they would then have a fairly capable "CPU" without really having to buy a new part or find space on their already full PCB.

People with MT-Cards - If you open up the card and see a part designation M1A3P250 on the face of the large Actel device, then that is what has happened. Report that information back here.

Technical Side note - The device really isnt Actel anymore. Actel was bought out be Microsemi, however the parts are still stamped Actel.
 

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I mentioned this before but I really want this comment to get more attention- If there really is going to be a version with a mythical CPU, then I believe it is very likely that they would just replace their Actel ProASIC3's (FPGA) with a pin compatible ProASIC3 with embedded CortexM1 SOC. Specifically this would be using part M1A3P250 instead of A3P250. They would be sacrificing logic space inside of the FPGA and the physical FPGA's would be slightly more expensive from their end, however they would then have a fairly capable "CPU" without really having to buy a new part or find space on their already full PCB.

People with MT-Cards - If you open up the card and see a part designation M1A3P250 on the face of the large Actel device, then that is what has happened. Report that information back here.

Technical Side note - The device really isnt Actel anymore. Actel was bought out be Microsemi, however the parts are still stamped Actel.

http://tof.canardpc.com/view/4184bb1d-a280-4c7c-b939-30bb2ebfee21.jpg

Nope,
just a normal FPGA (but a little bit bigger than the one used by the GW cards)
 
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I mentioned this before but I really want this comment to get more attention- If there really is going to be a version with a mythical CPU, then I believe it is very likely that they would just replace their Actel ProASIC3's (FPGA) with a pin compatible ProASIC3 with embedded CortexM1 SOC. Specifically this would be using part M1A3P250 instead of A3P250. They would be sacrificing logic space inside of the FPGA and the physical FPGA's would be slightly more expensive from their end, however they would then have a fairly capable "CPU" without really having to buy a new part or find space on their already full PCB.

People with MT-Cards - If you open up the card and see a part designation M1A3P250 on the face of the large Actel device, then that is what has happened. Report that information back here.

Technical Side note - The device really isnt Actel anymore. Actel was bought out be Microsemi, however the parts are still stamped Actel.

Source Links
http://www.microsemi.com/products/fpga-soc/fpga/proasic3-nano#product-tables
http://www.microsemi.com/products/fpga-soc/fpga/proasic3-e#product-tables
http://www.microsemi.com/products/fpga-soc/soc-processors/arm-cortex-m1
http://images.ihscontent.net/vipimages/VipMasterIC/IC/MSOC/MSOCS00061/MSOCS00061-1.pdf (Tech Specs of A3PN250)
http://gbatemp.net/threads/mt-card-...ti-rom-flash-card.359404/page-23#post-4874782 (pictures of MT card board)

Looks like MT-card is using ProASIC3 Nano which does not support the M1 CPU. However, MT-card has gone the other way by using a cheaper chip (the nano is supposedly cheaper) and spending a little extra to add in the usb port and necessary chip logic to allow the update of their card via PC. My guess for this is that this solution might be possibly cheaper to implement than getting the ProASIC3 with M1.


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Update 3 is now live on the main post after I discovered some additional possibilities. For those whom don't want to click back to the main post, here is an excerpt.

Updated Version (some minor edits and updates)

If only the relevant people didn't have the stick of morality up their butts. It's hindering progress. It's not like you can stop piracy from growing. It's the frigging dark ages again. CFW will render flash cart businesses to become nonexistent. So in fact, you're sort of doing something good. Let's go with the assumption that there is no 6.x exploits, new owners 4.5 units are becoming increasingly rare. Those that already do either already are involved in pirating games or well.. why bother with 4.5 units.

Take a look at this quote
I don't provide our code for others to make profit of it.
Now this rather contradictory. By open sourcing their work, it will allow everyone to have access to it. This will render the flash carts obsolete, causing most of them to go out of business. Sure there might result in a onslaught of cheap carts using the source code available but its unlikely when people can do what they are offering for free. Flash carts businesses are all about profitability. Its not profitable when there are free alternatives easily accessible.

So without any further delay. Here are some possible reasons as to why Flashcart Businesses have our balls (or lady-balls) in a vice grip.
  1. So why do the relevant people insist that they do not want to contribute to the state of piracy? Perhaps a sense of self entitlement?

  2. Perhaps while they are successful are homebrew and related hacks they actually haven't touched on rom playbacks yet? Well, the latter doesn't seem likely, they could easily release what they have and let someone else carry on the torch. But wait! Releasing what they have? Oh no, everyone else would have what they exclusive used to have. The sense of being special disappears.

  3. Another possibility is that refusal to release their current work is because 6.x exploits actually do exist. By releasing their custom work, it will actually open the doors to really rampant piracy, now that will be understandable as to why they chose to keep their work private.

  4. Another possibility is that they are somehow in bed with the flash cart business. Now this is an interesting point to discuss, money. Everybody wants money. Releasing a CFW that will put the flash carts out of business? That's counter intuitive.
    That's the worst scenario i can think of, if everyone is just able to install every shit he wants 4free
    I don't provide our code for others to make profit of it.

  5. Perhaps all the current developments are spearheaded by one individual hence the group as an entirely can't really release anything as its not their work to release? This makes sense in a way. Assuming, and now this is entirely making an assumption that *HACKER-A* is the genius behind the 3ds dev scene, a pioneer whom crafted everything he has from scratch, he shared the tools and knowledge with a selected few, it makes sense that the one's making progress recently can't share it because technically everything wouldn't be possible without *HACKER-A*
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    because these are not mine. I would not even do it, if i made them myself.
    .....
    because i don't have the right's to do so and i will not do it.
  6. Now, all the above is simply just conjecture and pointing out all the possible reasons as to why there isn't a public CFW at this point.
I'll like people to read through and comment, logically and calmly in something that makes sense instead of simply "WTF, fuck off". Be logical like my comments on CFW, explore every possible option instead of fixating on one. Did I miss out any reasonable possibility? If you feel like refuting any of the possibilities or augmenting it, feel free to do so. Do it with some logical explanations instead of "Why would I do that?" "I hate blah blah".
 
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Imagine same reason PS3 LV0 keys were released to the public. That and the legal fiasco Geohot went through.

Pretty sure no dev wants a part of that, so most keep it to themselves. That and the scenes consist of people with their 5 min of e-fame for releasing uncompleted and unfinished work in the race to be first.
 

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You can't generalize things with just my comments. You need the opinion of all devs to generalize things.

And it's not that unlikely as you think. The users who don't know about boards like this maybe know the R4 from the DS. So they think they need a card for the 3DS too and the flashcard manufacturer know this and rip off these people. Even if there would be a CFW, the flashcard manufacturers life from stupid users and they will continue to rip off these users.

And with "not mine" i mean i did not make all parts of the software and i respect the opinion of the others. They don't want me to release their work.


I see again, it's not a good idea to post here. The others don't post here because they know here are angry kids and idiots.
 
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Take a look at this quote

I'll like people to read through and comment, logically and calmly in something that makes sense instead of simply "WTF, fuck off". Be logical like my comments on CFW, explore every possible option instead of fixating on one. Did I miss out any reasonable possibility? If you feel like refuting any of the possibilities or augmenting it, feel free to do so. Do it with some logical explanations instead of "Why would I do that?" "I hate blah blah".


WTH? Stop targeting Profi200.
 
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Imagine same reason PS3 LV0 keys were released to the public. That and the legal fiasco Geohot went through.

Pretty sure no dev wants a part of that, so most keep it to themselves. That and the scenes consist of people with their 5 min of e-fame for releasing uncompleted and unfinished work in the race to be first.

Believe me, they got leaked. I think I still have the zip file somewhere on my computer. It was the same self-serving behavior, and idiots profiting from piracy with things like the jailbreak dongles (lol dongle) that caused the leak to happen. Whenever someone shows off something and then says "it's a secret to everyone," then everyone wants it.
 
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Believe me, they got leaked. I think I still have the zip file somewhere on my computer. It was the same self-serving behavior, and idiots profiting from piracy with things like the jailbreak dongles (lol dongle) that caused the leak to happen. Whenever someone shows off something and then says "it's a secret to everyone," then everyone wants it.


Yea that was my point. Some devs discovered exploit, and kept to their inner circle. Someone from "trusted circle" leaks files to 3rd party who intend to profit from it. It happens in every scene. Hell, go look at Nintendont and see OverJoy working privately on a USB version, only to have it leaked on this very forum. Thankfully most of the software here isnt like PS3 CFW with bricking potential.
 
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Directing the heat to the homebrew guys isn't really helping anyone here. I am surprised profi200 is even interested in following that post up.

These threads are spiralling out of controooolllll maaaaaan.
Queue Foxi spank paddle in 3... 2... 1...
 
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An anonymous source of mine tells me that Wii U CPU's are made out of hearts of slaughtered kittens and the analog sticks of the gamepad are greased up with murdered puppy marrow. Those sources are totally legitimate, you can trust me because I said this on an Internet forum. Boycotting is the only way, people should stop buying WiiU's immediately.

This thread in a nutshell.

That is not relevant at all. Gateway isn't providing updates, isn't responding to messages and there is a new card out that delivers ALL the features that gateway promised. That is very strong evidence that gateway has been abandoned and slaughtering kitties has nothing to do with it.

There is nothing wrong with boycotting gateway/EVO until they release 2.0 or show any evidence they are still alive and not abandoned
 

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Yea that was my point. Some devs discovered exploit, and kept to their inner circle. Someone from "trusted circle" leaks files to 3rd party who intend to profit from it. It happens in every scene. Hell, go look at Nintendont and see OverJoy working privately on a USB version, only to have it leaked on this very forum. Thankfully most of the software here isnt like PS3 CFW with bricking potential.

Yeah, perhaps that's why the 3DS scene devs have learnt from that particular mistake and hence are guarding everything extremely tightly.


Directing the heat to the homebrew guys isn't really helping anyone here. I am surprised profi200 is even interested in following that post up.

These threads are spiralling out of controooolllll maaaaaan.
Queue Foxi spank paddle in 3... 2... 1...

No, that's a false assumption. Whether you like it or not, homebrew is linked with the fate of flashcards. Because at this point of time CFW does not yet have working DRM. Hence I've placed the currently available information in this thread. This thread is designed to keep everyone up to date with what is currently going on, not meant to incense people. However, information is a double edged sword, there will often be people that prefer information be hidden (for a good reason though) as some can't really understand them for what it actually is. Information.

I'm not targeting anyone in particular. It just so happens that questionable comments were made. The entire forum is filled with people wondering what's going on with GW, CFW etc. People are asking why isn't there a CFW? Why aren't the devs releasing anything? I'm just offering all the possible explanations (note: all, not just those that are unsightly) so that people can get the entire gist.

On a related note, implementing DRM into CFW... doesn't that violate the ethos of hacking? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_ethic

That is not relevant at all. Gateway isn't providing updates, isn't responding to messages and there is a new card out that delivers ALL the features that gateway promised. That is very strong evidence that gateway has been abandoned and slaughtering kitties has nothing to do with it.

There is nothing wrong with boycotting gateway/EVO until they release 2.0 or show any evidence they are still alive and not abandoned

Also, with respect to what Foxi mentioned. He's just responding to a user commenting that we should all boycott GW because of the information of this thread. Now that particular user simply took the information on this thread at face value without evaluating it. This is unavoidable. There will always be people like him.

Yes, nothing wrong with boycotting GW/EVO but it's not really that helpful mentioning that on this thread.
 

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I'm just trying to make sure no one is blaming individuals, just the circumstance. Having morally & legally questionable information and items at hand is a nerve-racking thing. We sensibly cannot blame someone for wanting to make sure something is released in it's most sensible format for all involved, including possible users - I don't think.

People might disagree, but oh well. That's my $0.02... I'm gonna slink back to my workbench now.
 
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Anyway... How many exploitable 3ds owners have in this forum? How many will buy the mt or warevah card anyway? And about how many people in the world have no knowedge about these underground scenary?The smart people will wait but if mtevowarevah is really gw, they know it very well. The smart people is a small aceptable loss against the massive people who will buy it, and eventually the smart people will buy too if nothing change. But much thing can happen while this wait goes on, maybe a cfw made of a black sheep, maybe a unexpected release of 2.0 by X factors. If i want really to play a 3ds game i can make the card and play it, even being annoying.

I choose to wait.
 

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This whole thread is "questionable comments", and that includes your posts.

Get off your high horse.

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/get+off+high+horse

I'm going to stop you right there because you're close to starting something that I'm sure none of us here on GBAtemp wants. Everybody here is on (to quote your idiom) some "horse of varying height". We can then refer and analyse different members here. Remember stuff like "code it yourself, I won't release" etc etc? That can be interpreted the same way too. You just chose to lash out at me because your own personal preference without so much of a logical backing statements. So no. No. No. No. You're not going to start something because I'm not going to respond any more to your comments related on this topic.

Some of you other members reading this will know what I am referring to, there are many users that we can say

Get off your high horse.

but we don't. Because that's juvenile and counter-productive. Pfft.

Anyway... How many exploitable 3ds owners have in this forum? How many will buy the mt or warevah card anyway? And about how many people in the world have no knowedge about these underground scenary?The smart people will wait but if mtevowarevah is really gw, they know it very well. The smart people is a small aceptable loss against the massive people who will buy it, and eventually the smart people will buy too if nothing change. But much thing can happen while this wait goes on, maybe a cfw made of a black sheep, maybe a unexpected release of 2.0 by X factors. If i want really to play a 3ds game i can make the card and play it, even being annoying.

I choose to wait.

Probably quite a significant amount of people on GBAtemp have <4.5 3DSes. There really isn't much to talk about on this sub-forum if you don't have an exploitable 3DS. Right now with the current information we have at hand, it seems to suggest that GW, MT and EVO are the same team. The chances of parallel development is really really small so with all these cards having GW promised features, its rather likely GW is behind them. But yeah, I agree the most prudent thing to do would be to wait and see how it all pans out. CFW is unlikely to come out, read update 3 on the main post. I listed all the possible reasons as to why there isn't a CFW release. NOTE: not all reasons are true, they are just possible. I cannot speak for the probability of each reason being the actual reason but they are valid possibilities.
 
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