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Is Britain in its current state as bad as the media makes it out to be?

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Northern Ireland gets ignored by the rest of the UK, so certain things can't (won't) be shipped here. Really annoying buying anything with a battery online. Also limiting on big things like beds, though I can get those from RoI.

I work for a company that runs an eCommerce website. The situation with shipping to Ireland is a weird one, especially with items too large for Royal Mail.

If the parcel can go via Royal Mail its the same price as shipping it anywhere else within the UK to Northern Ireland, so never a problem. However if the destination is in the Republic of Ireland its classed as another country, so you are than in to airmail prices. Things seem to frequently disappear in transit never to be seen again when sent to the Republic of Ireland however... (no idea what's going on with the postal service over there) so everything is sent International Tracked & Signed, which costs well over £8 now.

For larger items that are too big for Royal Mail the shipping costs to Northern Ireland via a courier are extortionate compared to the UK. It will sound ridiculous, however we can often send things to New York cheaper than we can Ireland, I presume because they are far more planes leaving with cargo every day.

We do send some fairly large items, so relevant to your bed example. This is for a package that is 2 meters long:

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(We do get better rates than that, which I can't share screenshots of, however the huge price discrepancy is still there)

Pre Covid that could have gone to Northern Ireland for £30. Shipping costs have increased astronomically since the start of 2020.
 
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So the richer became way richer and the poorer, poorer while the public narrative blamed the poor for everyone except the elites becoming poorer and eventually the scapegoating continued to immigrants and foreigners, including people outside the country.
Rich become richer while the poor become poorer. Bud that's capitalism. Or rather it's a phase of the cycle of capitalism.

While the economy is growing the rich still become richer but the poor become richer too.
However when growth hits a stumbling block, or there's a recession of some kind or worst of all a financial crisis, what happens is that the total amount of resources start to decrease, and it's at that point that the rich start to prioritize their own welfare and the government, which is a plutocracy indirectly run by the same rich, enacts policies to protect their assets first and foremost. While the poor start to organize strikes and so on but it's all for nothing; they seldom have the organization to dug the duvet back onto their side of the bed.

You'll notice that that the FIRE sectors (finance, insurance, real estate) make up large shares of the richest economies in the world. These sectors of the economy do not produce goods or offer services of any kind, what they are concerned with is redirecting financial flows within economies (and across them). And typically from more hands to fewer hands. In other words they are a mechanism of wealth distribution from the have not's to the have's, and during an economic downturn they are more active than ever concentrating wealth into the hands of the monied class who use that time to buy up tangible assets. It's also companies in these sectors that are called 'too big to fail' and whatever. You'll note that neither the coal mines in the UK nor the shipyards there nor the automobile manufacturers were ever called 'too big to fail', no matter how many people they employed.
 
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Rich become richer while the poor become poorer. Bud that's capitalism. Or rather it's a phase of the cycle of capitalism.
If only Europe ever heard of social democracy, that thing that elevated everyone out of poverty after WW2...
While the economy is growing the rich still become richer but the poor become richer too.
I'm certainly not becoming richer, even though my local economy is growing. Most people can't afford rent or a morgage and salaries are stagant facing the inflation, productivity and economic growth. And in the UK, even before Truss and Brexit, things were like that. The poor are not becoming richer at all, they don't earn more, they have less social services available and cost of living is increasing. That's true for the UK, most Europe and the US. And that has been true since neoliberalism got widespread.

The only good thing that economic growth brings is more jobs, but they are increasingly poorly paid and with less labor protections.
However when growth hits a stumbling block, or there's a recession of some kind or worst of all a financial crisis, what happens is that the total amount of resources start to decrease, and it's at that point that the rich start to prioritize their own welfare and the government, which is a plutocracy indirectly run by the same rich, enacts policies to protect their assets first and foremost. While the poor start to organize strikes and so on but it's all for nothing; they seldom have the organization to dug the duvet back onto their side of the bed.

The richest win, no matter what. There are speculative mechanisms to make money both in grown and downlfalls. If the economy is growing, you invest. If the economy is shrinking or crashing, you short. That's why you see crap like Boeing happening. What matters is the short term profits to pay dividinds and issue buybacks. If it crashes after, no problem, you can short the shares. That's also why the richest supported the Tories for so long. It doesn't make sence for the Bristish economy but help them become much more rich by deregulating (this includes leaving the EU) so they could speculate as they please removing the little checks and balances.

Also strikes are effective if well organized. One thing is an expected downfall, another is to stop operation without expectation. It's also bad for the government that loses credibility and still needs the vote of the people to continue.
 
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If only Europe ever heard of social democracy, that thing that elevated everyone out of poverty after WW2...

Britain has social democracy. It was among the first countries in the world to introduce a welfare system, although Kaiser Germany actually had one earlier in practice. And up until today has one of the most generous welfare systems there is. Not necessarily the most modern or well-run one, but certainly a generous healthcare, child benefit, education, etc.. system.

That's not the issue.
A large part of Britain's entire modern economy, more than most others, is also based around the aforementioned FIRE sectors - and while these sectors do bring in large profits from the rest of the world (thank neo-colonialism, foreign oligarchs, insurance monopoly over world shipping, etc...), this money stays at the very top and I don't think most of it is even taxed. The better you are with finance the better you are at avoiding taxes.
And of course during the times of economic downturn, the same FIRE sectors parasitize off Britain's own population which doesn't do any good for anyone either.
Yet these sectors do count towards the GDP. So on paper Britain has a large GDP, but in practice much of this economic activity is concentrated just among the rich and the more competent of the agents that specialize in real estate, banking, etc.. and amass their own small fortunes. And it's only the rest of Britain's GDP that actually represents the wealth of ordinary people. That's Britain's agricultural, industrial, real service sectors pretty much. Count just them, divide by 90-95% of Britain's population, and you'll get a better idea of people's average wealth.

I'm certainly not becoming richer, even though my local economy is growing. Most people can't afford rent or a morgage and salaries are stagant facing the inflation, productivity and economic growth. And in the UK, even before Truss and Brexit, things were like that. The poor are not becoming richer at all, they don't earn more, they have less social services available and cost of living is increasing. That's true for the UK, most Europe and the US. And that has been true since neoliberalism got widespread.

The only good thing that economic growth brings is more jobs, but they are increasingly poorly paid and with less labor protections.

Well I was speaking in general terms. But if we're speaking about Britain and a lot of these other countries - economic growth is not taking place so much through any massive investments into the country itself, or productivity increases. Mostly it's coming from just population growth, which in turn is driven by immigration. More workers, more companies, more state sector, more jobs, bigger economy. But that also means that there's a continous surplus of labour that prevents salaries from rising. Any wealth you end up generating is just spread over more people.
And then you have greater demand for housing due to population growth too, and if construction doesn't keep up, which it hasn't by all accounts, then housing prices are pressured up too. And so on.

So these globalist elites don't have any new ideas really. Apart from that whole FIRE business, it's just a case of growing these Western economies through immigration in an attempt to compete with emerging economies in the global south, who are actually seeing huge investments into infrastructure, agriculture, etc.. and productivity increases and so on - and are growing quicker, albeit from a lower base.

To even maintain Britain as a destination for immigration, people's living standards need to grow too, not just the aggregate size of the economy. Britain's elites have fostered in a self-defeating policy. What they really need to come up with, is a new model.

The richest win, no matter what. There are speculative mechanisms to make money both in grown and downlfalls. If the economy is growing, you invest. If the economy is shrinking or crashing, you short. That's why you see crap like Boeing happening. What matters is the short term profits to pay dividinds and issue buybacks. If it crashes after, no problem, you can short the shares. That's also why the richest supported the Tories for so long. It doesn't make sence for the Bristish economy but help them become much more rich by deregulating (this includes leaving the EU) so they could speculate as they please removing the little checks and balances.

Also strikes are effective if well organized. One thing is an expected downfall, another is to stop operation without expectation. It's also bad for the government that loses credibility and still needs the vote of the people to continue.

Yup, pretty much.

Although I disagree that strikes are effective. The rich operate as a class, at least when it comes to protecting the system that benefits them. The rest of the population don't. Whatever small local wins they can make here or there won't transfer to others and will quickly be eroded by the next inflation cycle or whatever anyway. But really, when you have all these strikes that's a symptom that you've already lost. The total number of resources available are decreasing and people are just fighting over the scraps. That's what happened in Russia in the 90s - the new boirgouise democratic government was within a few years facing a huge amount of striking workers all over the country - but the fact is that this coincided with the economy as a whole deindustrializing, the currency crashing, loans having to be taken from abroad, and so on.. Even if the government made it an absolute priority to raise wages to substitance levels, it wouldn't have been able to.
 
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