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Is Britain in its current state as bad as the media makes it out to be?

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Has Labo(u)r fixed the UK yet? They've been in power for like couple of weeks already. C'mon, chop chop!
Nah, but on the bright side there's a over 1000+ new illegal migrants added to the population that can be a drain on the resources. The riots have started in Leeds and the public that voted to leave the EU are miffed as they seem to have had their vote ignored as Stamer tries to sneak his way back in via the back door.
 
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Nah, but on the bright side there's a over 1000+ new illegal migrants added to the population that can be a drain on the resources. The riots have started in Leeds and the public that voted to leave the EU are miffed as they seem to have had their vote ignored as Stamer tries to sneak his way back in via the back door.
How do you manage to tell two blatant less in one post???

I'm currently on vacation on the north sea. For 1000 illegals to cross in just a couple of weeks, there'd have to be a fucking QUEUE of boats lined up to Britain. Truth is that the illegals were always coming in at a pace that's only increased since brexit (guess who no longer stops them? That whole continent next to yours ), but newspapers weren't happy to report that Tories were full of shit.

And you really going to whine about brexit voters being ignored? That barely above half amount of voters from 8 years ago who got shafted by Tories ever since? Move the fuck on... Brexit was an economic disaster from the start and the only reason the uk could pretend otherwise was because of covid and that the effects were delayed until passed in later.
It's only normal that when things don't work, you fix them. Sorry if your precious newspapers and multinational companies throw a tantrum when their excesses are about to be curbed.
 
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How do you manage to tell two blatant less in one post???

I'm currently on vacation on the north sea. For 1000 illegals to cross in just a couple of weeks, there'd have to be a fucking QUEUE of boats lined up to Britain. Truth is that the illegals were always coming in at a pace that's only increased since brexit (guess who no longer stops them? That whole continent next to yours ), but newspapers weren't happy to report that Tories were full of shit.

And you really going to whine about brexit voters being ignored? That barely above half amount of voters from 8 years ago who got shafted by Tories ever since? Move the fuck on... Brexit was an economic disaster from the start and the only reason the uk could pretend otherwise was because of covid and that the effects were delayed until passed in later.
It's only normal that when things don't work, you fix them. Sorry if your precious newspapers and multinational companies throw a tantrum when their excesses are about to be curbed.
You don't watch UK news do you?

Let me help you get some insight into the illegals crossing the channel with the channel migrant tracker:
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/channel-crossings-tracker


Date, Migrants detected, Boats detected
18 July 2024 - 317 - 6
17 July 2024 - 0 - 0
16 July 2024 - 0 - 0
15 July 2024 - 427 - 7
14 July 2024 - 41 - 1
13 July 2024 - 127 - 2
12 July 2024 - 44 - 1
11 July 2024 - 62 - 1
10 July 2024 - 0 - 0
9 July 2024 - 419 - 6
8 July 2024 - 65 - 1

Total Migrants in 10 days - 1502

I'd post videos as well, but you'd probably call them "cheap fakes" and I just ca't be bothered arguing with you if I am being honest.

As for your views on Brexit - it's a moot point and not relevant, the public voted to leave the EU and that's how a democracy works.
 
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I don't think Labour is going to fix all the problems, especially if they just continue a lot things that the Tories did that caused the issues in first place. That said, Idk how you look, let alone live, that 14 years clown show and think they should go back to that.
 

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I don't think Labour is going to fix all the problems, especially if they just continue a lot things that the Tories did that caused the issues in first place. That said, Idk how you look, let alone live, that 14 years clown show and think they should go back to that.
Both parties are as bad, when COVID came around that's when it started to get much worse.
 

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Northern Ireland gets ignored by the rest of the UK, so certain things can't (won't) be shipped here. Really annoying buying anything with a battery online. Also limiting on big things like beds, though I can get those from RoI. GP stuff seems really slow, but I'm from the US, so I'm cool with that, cause at least I can't ever be financially crippled anymore. The DUP being whiney ass babies, blocking Stormont from functioning and screwing up local government probably caused the Sinn Féin majority, so maybe now things will get better (hopefully).
 

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Correction: several conservative governments, including 4 in a row. Well five, if you consider the few days Liz Truss was there.

It all started with Tatcher that did for the country what Reagan did for the US. Introduced neo-liberalism in the government and severely raised inequality.

Her greatest achievement many would say was pulling the Overton Window way right to the point of the Labor Party, the main opposition party electing a neo-liberal light prime minister much like Clinton (well, "illuminated centrist" if you want, formed the "Third Way" - with Clinton). So the opposition to neo-liberalism for years was no more than weaker neo-liberalism.

So the richer became way richer and the poorer, poorer while the public narrative blamed the poor for everyone except the elites becoming poorer and eventually the scapegoating continued to immigrants and foreigners, including people outside the country.

This also eventually led to Brexit, the exit of the UK from the European Union. There were two main reason people voted for: to reduce immigration and to cut the money that was sent to the EU as part of the UK dues. There was also a third aspect that convinced some idiots that was the level of regulation that supposedly stifled the UK economy.

Well, most immigration actually came from ex-commonwealth countries and not the EU and the UK never implemented a proper immigration system after leaving the EU. Why? The conservatives still needed a scapegoat of course (that they made sure to abuse in a vain attempt to keep in power as of late, devising a plan to send immigrants and asylum seekers to Rwanda - it was not practical, safe for these people nor cheap for the country, a purely idiotic sinkhole that was nothing but cruel and money laundering), but what the conservatives wanted more was cheap labour and more importantly to keep the stuff like the national health service alive, the last bastion of a social state that is a national treasure and political suicide to kill altogether. It's in shambles but they can't quite kill it. They hoped to slowly but surely privatize it though.

The money sent to the EU was in fact mostly sent back in social and even entrepreneurship programs, aside infrastructure ones. It was the mediating mean that held together both the poorer communities, I dare to say most of Wales included and kept many smaller businesses alive. The departure from the EU also meant that all businesses that exported to the EU saw their costs rise and had either to accommodate somehow, move abroad (a lot did) or close down (also many lot did). The local buying power dying out also means the local business have trouble surviving on the local market. Is just like the economy is built from the bottom up and not top down, as it trickles up and not down, go figure.

Finally, most regulations that the government wanted to rid the country of where in fact consumer protection, safety or health regulations - although the big prize was economical transparency and anti-tax avoidance. But one of the most notorious result of it was sewers now started to be directly dumped into oceans and rivers, having literal shit everywhere. Some tourism that lived off parts of their coast simply died.

The pinnacle of the conservative blow came with Liz Truss, that decided to shown everyone that the faults of neoliberalism can be solved with more neoliberalism and applied a massive tax cut to the super rich, pretending it would trickle down to everyone. That immediately blew on her face, by crashing the UK economy £30 billion in a single day.

As a goodbye gift, the last conservative PM (not elected) is a headfund manager that grifted his way into government and got out almost a billionaire. There was really no point of the last government than to enrich the grifters before the conservatives were put out of power. And that they did in a historic landslide.

Now here's the kicker: the current government, although led by a human rights lawyer - which is a refreshing sight, considering the last executive committed human rights violations and wanted to go further and reject the International Human Rights Convention - is said by some to be more neoliberal even than Blair. The previous Labour party leader, after years of a smear campaign by the tabloid media - mostly owned by Rupert Murdoch, the same Aussie lovely chap that owns stuff like Fox News - was essentially forced out of the party when it was clear it would govern next - to be replaced by a vague political program that aims to do little of concrete. This is a particular problem in the UK due to not giving the government a mandate to change things and put anything they decide to actually change to be contested by the House of Lords - a very conservative organism.

So the only change to be expected is the end of the political circus but it will be hard to see structural improvements that will rebuild the economy and give the common folk the rebuild the desperately need. Meanwhile the conservative party is in shambles and the third political force, the greatest growth is the far right party, led by one of the grifters responsible for convincing the people to leave the EU.
Why does someone from Portugal have so much to say about British politics?
 
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Why does someone from Portugal have so much to say about British politics?
I have friends in the UK, both native and that went on living there. I have some British education in my background, including a Cambridge certification and I've travelled both England and Scotland from North to South or South to North, depending how you wanna look at it. I have no horse in the race directly, but end up nurturing some interest in the British politics.
 

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I love that the thread asks if Britain is as bad as the media makes it out to be—a question presumably and logically best left to people who, y'know, actually live here—and it still gets answered by people who are basing their answers on what they've seen via...the media :rofl: Bravo, lads :grog:

Look, the country's not a disaster, but things are pretty dire in a lot of ways. You can feel how many people in the country are feeling down, they're fed up of things being so expensive or slow or poorly maintained. In a word, a lot of Brits are just fucking tired.

Thefts and break-ins are on the rise and it's no wonder. Hard-working people should be able to live more comfortably than this, and we shouldn't have to give so much money to people who are inept, corrupt, and criminally incompetent. We haven't been able to get our kids on a dentist in the local area, not even private. I'm waiting for an assessment for something that's currently set to take five years.

Hopefully we're on course for better times but it won't be a fast fix, if that fix is indeed coming. I don't have firsthand knowledge on what outside media has to say but it might be accurate, it might not.
 

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The three little girls who were murdered recently just goes to show how broken the country is. And before that, there was the Manchester Airport incident that the police were attacked.

Something (bizarre) that happened yesterday...

https://x.com/CrimeLdn/status/1818381527115239793

Starmer sure is doing a great job keeping Britain safe...
I'm certainly not a fan but less than 1 month into the job, I didn't know he had he had to patrol the streets like Batman!

Systematic failures at every level is where Britain is at and unfortunately a general attitude of we don't give a fuck, pay up and get on with it has tired us all out. So much so that if this was 40 years ago, there would be a people revolt. We have been conditioned to realise there is no point in moaning anymore.

The thing I'm worried about more is how this Labour will fuck us over while blaming the last lot.... Politics... Schoolground bullshit.
 

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The three little girls who were murdered recently just goes to show how broken the country is. And before that, there was the Manchester Airport incident that the police were attacked.

Something (bizarre) that happened yesterday...

https://x.com/CrimeLdn/status/1818381527115239793

Starmer sure is doing a great job keeping Britain safe...
I don't see by what mechanism the Prime Minister is expected to stop knife crime in its entirety? No offence but this is exactly the kind of thing that misses the point of this thread—you have no firsthand idea and you're trying to speculate about a country on the other side of an entire ocean based on MSM and what you see on X.

The attack in Southend is indicative of one major thing, in my opinion, and that's that civilians need more tools to defend themselves with (not guns). It seems insane to me that pepper spray is illegal here, a non-lethal deterrent that could buy people time to escape an attacker. If we can't get a handle on knives and the seemingly increasing number of people who carry out attacks 'just because', we need more options for innocents.
 

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There's a black hole left by the traitors who enabled leaving the EU, there's ANOTHER black hole left by the austerity mass murderers tories which they covered up and there's YET ANOTHER black hole in terms of workforce void not offset by quality migration.. so yes, take your pick.
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Starmer sure is doing a great job keeping Britain safe...
He's been there for like 15 minutes, your statement is disingenous at best and obviously partisan and loaded in truth.
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For or against him, surely no one expects him to suddenly make a difference to safety in less than one month!
Never let rightwing hypocrisy stop you!
 

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So... Am I the only one who hasn't actually experienced like any of this? Is it just a case that the 'shockwave' of stuff hasn't really reached the North yet or something?

Bit of a side note to that... (And sorry for the ranty nature of this. Just really something I hate with a passion.)

I was a bit sad to see Labour getting such a majority over any other party. Not because of Conservatives losing (they were shockingly bad). Just that the Labour council that has had my area in a choke hold for it's entire existence is extremely corrupt. A lot of the things people have accused the Conservatives of (pocketing money and corruption) are exactly the sort of things my council does all the time. The only areas they improve are near their HQ (which they just spent £42 million on a new one instead of a few million on repairing their old one).
Tldr: Fuck Sunderland Council.
 
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Northern Ireland gets ignored by the rest of the UK, so certain things can't (won't) be shipped here. Really annoying buying anything with a battery online. Also limiting on big things like beds, though I can get those from RoI. GP stuff seems really slow, but I'm from the US, so I'm cool with that, cause at least I can't ever be financially crippled anymore. The DUP being whiney ass babies, blocking Stormont from functioning and screwing up local government probably caused the Sinn Féin majority, so maybe now things will get better (hopefully).
I've often thought the way Northern Ireland actually functions today is similar enough to how US actually functioned in the 1950s. I'm not referring to the hagiographic mythical 1950s of modern period movies, I mean the actual lived experience of US in 1950s.

OK, a lot of that is coming from the huge fiscal transfer NI gets (Barnet formula / subvention), however, I think US people entitled to an Irish passport (typically one grandparent born in Ireland) would be better off here than the US.
 

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Yep, the miners strikes were harsh. Lot's of kids getting free school meals and donated xmas presents and parents needing to sell everything they had just to survive, then there was the London Riots - poll tax. Mass unemployment, Thatcher and her hated policies. However for every cloud there's a silver lining. The coal industry ended and so did smog, air quality became better and acid rain ended. The music/pop scene brought us Rapping, breakdancing etc, fashion grew and people started going abroad a lot more on holidays. The computer age began and the cold war ended. The Berlin wall fell and mass migration began into Europe from the eastern block.

I grew up in 90s and 2000s England, but have long since re-emigrated to Russia which is where I'm originally from. From what everyone tells me, it ain't great in the UK these days, but then again the English, Scots, etc... are quite a pessimistic set of people who tend to portray things as worse than they actually are. Much the same as Russians come to think of it.

But yeah, the problems with the UK were becoming apparent even in the late 2000s. Housing prices were already going through the roof, areas of London were becoming less safe, litter in the streets, crappy GPs (mostly foreign), SJW weirdos were already trying to enforce political correctness on people's opinions, and after the 2008 crash you began to see a lot more homeless on the streets too.
The 90s were probably the best. London property prices weren't that bad, prices in general were affordable, and the immigrants who did come tended to contribute and add to society more.

Well I've been watching a lot of these videos lately too that talk about all the problems in Britain, etc... but it's sad to hear it being corroborated by ordinary people in this thread. Keep your chin up, there's always a light at the end of the tunnel.
 
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