Federal appeals court expands gun rights

smf · Feb 6, 2023

Hanafuda said:
Innocent until proven guilty, right?

Someone using a firearm is not waiting until the person they are shooting is proven guilty.

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TraderPatTX said:
You want to take guns away from people who can legally have them and make it easier for the police, who I believe somebody mentioned earlier tend to abuse their power, to take guns away from people, giving the police even more power.

I want to take power away from everyone, including the police.

How does that give the police more power?

x65943 · Feb 6, 2023

Xzi said:
I'm not going to pretend to wear blinders when it comes to suspicious activity from elected officials. Objectively, Ivanka Trump was unqualified to be given any job in the federal government, and objectively, she was granted special favors by the Chinese government. I'd not make excuses for Hunter Biden if he were in that position, I'd demand investigations.

That's not what I meant, I meant the part where you said we didn't jam the other balloons without evidence

stanleyopar2000 · Feb 6, 2023

Xzi said:
I can't help but feel this ruling is mostly a gift to abusive police officers, since it's nigh impossible to convict them of any crime.

Didn't you hear though? That doesn't happen ever and it's the victims fault for provoking them!! they should have been FOLLOWING THE LAW. If you don't support the police you're part of the unpatriotic communist / marxist / leftist / woke / CRT / [insert more non-existent strawmen here] ANTIFA / s

#baucktehbloo #steponmedaddy

Xzi · Feb 6, 2023

x65943 said:
That's not what I meant, I meant the part where you said we didn't jam the other balloons without evidence

If he made the unethical and unjustifiable choice to not alert the public to their presence, it's not a stretch to think he might've made other bad choices. It should also be a simple matter to clear up, but every Republican asked about it has dodged the question or declined to answer.

x65943 · Feb 6, 2023

Xzi said:
If he made the unethical and unjustifiable choice to not alert the public to their presence, it's not a stretch to think he might've made other bad choices. It should also be a simple matter to clear up, but every Republican asked about it has dodged the question or declined to answer.

Legitimately things like that are often covered up - it serves the general public no service to know about it. Biden admin tried to cover up this balloon and didn't reveal it to the public for days.

I legitimately think the public is way too fickle about this sort of thing and it's going to damage bilateral relations way more than one crappy spy balloon really should (when you consider china has satellites spying on the country 24/7 already and we likewise have ours on them)

I am not trying to defend Trump, I really really dislike Trump. But I also think the choice Biden tried to make to cover it up and the Trump admin covering it up was a better outcome.

TraderPatTX · Feb 6, 2023

Xzi said:
It's already happened a number of times in the few states with red flag laws, though it doesn't surprise me you're supportive of abusive police officers keeping their guns.

I have zero problems with guns being taken away, after due process of course. You want to confiscate guns on the whims of government, just like a little crazy German guy back in the 30's and 40's.

Xzi said:
Firstly, wrong thread. Secondly, the device was being jammed the entire time before being shot down, unlike the ones Trump let gather data on us and kept secret from the public. Thirdly, Biden is a capitalist, and therefore not a leftist.

How do you know it was being jammed? And what balloons did Trump allow to gather data on us? I searched for any CCP balloon stories while Trump was in office and couldn't find any. Maybe you can start backing up your comments with sources for a change.

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Xzi said:
Objectively, Trump allowed three spy balloons to pass over the US in secret and unimpeded. Objectively, the public was kept informed about the only balloon to pass over during the Biden administration, we know it was jammed and then shot down.

Objectively, most of us can put two and two together.

Where is your proof? The story uses anonymous sources, which we have all learned turn out to be bullshit.

It's time to put up or shut up. Start showing your work, Scooter.

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x65943 said:
Legitimately things like that are often covered up - it serves the general public no service to know about it. Biden admin tried to cover up this balloon and didn't reveal it to the public for days.

I legitimately think the public is way too fickle about this sort of thing and it's going to damage bilateral relations way more than one crappy spy balloon really should (when you consider china has satellites spying on the country 24/7 already and we likewise have ours on them)

I am not trying to defend Trump, I really really dislike Trump. But I also think the choice Biden tried to make to cover it up and the Trump admin covering it up was a better outcome.

Trump didn't cover anything up because there was nothing to cover up. This is a made up media story in an attempt to gaslight us. This is exactly what I've been talking about on this forum for months. We are all being lied to by the corporate media. Any time a story makes Biden look worse than he already does, the corporate media comes to his rescue and they bring up Trump. It happens every single time.

I triple dare @Xzi to source this comment because I know he can't. He's taking whatever the media tells him to say and he regurgitates it here and expects us to just accept the lie.

Xzi · Feb 6, 2023

TraderPatTX said:
Where is your proof? The story uses anonymous sources, which we have all learned turn out to be bullshit.

The source is literally the DoD, it doesn't matter which official within the department made the statement. You just want somebody in particular to smear and scapegoat, as is typical of Republicans.

x65943 said:
I legitimately think the public is way too fickle about this sort of thing and it's going to damage bilateral relations way more than one crappy spy balloon really should (when you consider china has satellites spying on the country 24/7 already and we likewise have ours on them)

Considering the last Republican president to drop the ball on homeland defense allowed 9/11 to happen, it's hard to blame people for being concerned. Certainly we shouldn't overreact, but nor should we let important questions about the handling of these types of scenarios go unanswered. Incompetence, nepotism, and foreign influence in our government are all dangerous when allowed to go unchecked.

TraderPatTX · Feb 6, 2023

Xzi said:
The source is literally the DoD, it doesn't matter which official within the department made the statement. You just want somebody in particular to smear and scapegoat, as is typical of Republicans.

I'm just smart enough to see through the lie of anonymous sources. Sorry that you can't yet. Maybe some day though.

Xzi said:
Considering the last Republican president to drop the ball on homeland defense allowed 9/11 to happen, it's hard to blame people for being concerned. Certainly we shouldn't overreact, but nor should we let important questions about the handling of these types of scenarios go unanswered.

You act like I voted for Bush, lol!!! I was a democrat back then. And guess what? I had to go to an unjust war because of him. He is a war criminal and one day, he will get his due. Wasn't it the left who were just recently celebrating Dick Cheney?

https://www.salon.com/2022/01/06/democrats-embrace-dick-cheney-during-jan-6-rembrance-event/

Yes, it sure was. How does that boot taste?

Xzi · Feb 6, 2023

TraderPatTX said:
You act like I voted for Bush, lol!!! I was a democrat back then. And guess what? I had to go to an unjust war because of him. He is a war criminal and one day, he will get his due.

You weren't even the one I was quoting there, and I didn't accuse anyone of voting for Bush with that statement. Awfully touchy, aren't we?

TraderPatTX said:
Wasn't it the left who were just recently celebrating Dick Cheney?

You'll never stop sounding like a complete moron until you learn the difference between corporate capitalist Democrats and leftists. I know you're afraid of learning anything new, but it's kindergarten-level stuff, I promise. Five minutes of Googling would clear up your misconceptions, so there's no excuse.

TraderPatTX · Feb 6, 2023

Xzi said:
You weren't even the one I was quoting there, and I didn't accuse anyone of voting for Bush with that statement. Awfully touchy, aren't we?

You'll never stop sounding like a complete moron until you learn the difference between corporate capitalist Democrats and leftists. I know you're afraid of learning anything new, but it's kindergarten-level stuff, I promise. Five minutes of Googling would clear up your misconceptions, so there's no excuse.

They are leftists and they are authoritarian. Always have been since back in the slave days. Now they've enslaved all of us through monetary policy implemented by the uniparty. The smart ones among us can see it, and some people choose not to.

Xzi · Feb 6, 2023

TraderPatTX said:
They are leftists and they are authoritarian. Always have been since back in the slave days. Now they've enslaved all of us through monetary policy implemented by the uniparty. The smart ones among us can see it, and some people choose not to.

Man you're so close to the point it's slapped you across the face several times now. You just called capitalism authoritarian, and you're not wrong. The only real difference between Republicans and Democrats is that elected Dems at least recognize the need for some social programs and a modicum of empathy to obfuscate the war being waged against the poor and working class. Republicans don't care if their leadership wants them dead as long as they're making non-whites and the LBGTQ+ community suffer in the meantime too.

We have a center-right and far-right party in this country, and that's all. Let me know when we break up a large bank or other corporation and redistribute its profits to the working class, so I can acknowledge that we've begun to move left.

Deleted member 586536 · Feb 6, 2023

TraderPatTX said:
hey are leftists and they are authoritarian. Always have been since back in the slave days. Now they've enslaved all of us through monetary policy implemented by the uniparty. The smart ones among us can see it, and some people choose not to.

You don't understand history.
Refuse to learn any history
refuse to respond to any sources
Then grandstand about how nobody has proved you wrong

TraderPatTX · Feb 6, 2023

Xzi said:
Man you're so close to the point it's slapped you across the face several times now. You just called capitalism authoritarian, and you're not wrong.

They are not authoritarian because they use the capitalist system. You made that up in your head. You do that a lot.

Xzi said:
The only real difference between Republicans and Democrats is that elected Dems at least recognize the need for some social programs and a modicum of empathy to obfuscate the war being waged against the poor and working class. Republicans don't care if their leadership wants them dead as long as they're making non-whites and the LBGTQ+ community suffer in the meantime too.

Dems care about the little people so much that black people have been living in the inner cities for generations now. Many not able to even read or write.

Xzi said:
We have a center-right and far-right party in this country, and that's all. Let me know when we break up a large bank or other corporation and redistribute its profits to the working class, so I can acknowledge that we've begun to move left.

We have a uniparty. You know that is true. You just refuse to admit it because then you have to admit that I am right.

Xzi · Feb 6, 2023

TraderPatTX said:
They are not authoritarian because they use the capitalist system. You made that up in your head. You do that a lot.

Capitalism is just another word for wage slavery, which is authoritarian. We have the resources to provide basic necessities to our entire population, and we choose not to in order to benefit a small number of megalomaniacs instead. Both Democrats and Republicans support this system, which is the number one way in which they could be considered a "uniparty."

TraderPatTX said:
Dems care about the little people so much that black people have been living in the inner cities for generations now. Many not able to even read or write.

Funding for public education tends to go up under Democrats, and down under Republicans. Redlining is a holdover from the Jim Crow era, and therefore supported by the people who still wave confederate flags.

TraderPatTX · Feb 6, 2023

Xzi said:
Capitalism is just another word for wage slavery, which is authoritarian. We have the resources to provide basic necessities to our entire population, and we choose not to in order to benefit a small number of megalomaniacs instead. Both Democrats and Republicans support this system, which is the number one way in which they could be considered a "uniparty."

It's just an economic system. You trading me a lamb for goat is capitalism.

Xzi said:
Funding for public education tends to go up under Democrats, and down under Republicans. Redlining is a holdover from the Jim Crow era, and therefore supported by the people who still wave confederate flags.

A lot of good that does black people in Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago and Los Angeles. You know, those confederate strongholds you blame the Dems failures on.

And Jim Crow was 100+ years ago, right? Why haven't the Dems repealed those laws already? They've had power multiple times. In fact, they controlled Congress for much of the 20th century. Maybe you are being lied to, who knows? Maybe you are regurgitating corporate media talking points?

Xzi · Feb 6, 2023

TraderPatTX said:
It's just an economic system. You trading me a lamb for goat is capitalism.

It's an economic system that hinges on exploitation of cheap labor. Bartering is not inherent or unique to capitalism.

TraderPatTX said:
A lot of good that does black people in Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago and Los Angeles. You know, those confederate strongholds you blame the Dems failures on.

What the fuck are you talking about? The most impoverished states in the nation have majority black populations and Republican leadership. Again, both parties are in support of capitalism, but only one has no qualms about openly displaying their racism.

TraderPatTX said:
And Jim Crow was 100+ years ago, right? Why haven't the Dems repealed those laws already?

Jim Crow laws were only abolished in 1965. The consequences of those policies still linger, however. I recommend doing some reading on redlining.

TraderPatTX · Feb 6, 2023

Xzi said:
It's an economic system that hinges on exploitation of cheap labor. Bartering is not inherent or unique to capitalism.

People exploit cheap labor. And you can't be against that if you support an open border. You are giving the investment class exactly what they want. Cheap labor.

Xzi said:
What the fuck are you talking about? The most impoverished states in the nation have majority black populations and Republican leadership. Again, both parties are in support of capitalism, but only one has no qualms about openly displaying their racism.

So black ran schools in the inner cities get zero blame? Interesting. And I never said anything about impoverished states. Some of the richest states have the poorest test scores for literacy. It's not about money. It's about keeping a minority group down.

Xzi said:
Jim Crow laws were only abolished in 1965. The consequences of those policies still linger, however. I recommend doing some reading on redlining.

The consequences of those policies are not lingering. Politicians of both parties at the state, local and federal levels are purposefully keeping all of us enslaved. The difference is that some of us realize we are enslaved and a lot of you do not.

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BlazeMasterBM · Feb 6, 2023

sombrerosonic said:
Is the same with Garlics?

yes, indeed.

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