The situation in Ukraine...

[smf]

No, I don't understand. Please explain.

PS: Just in case this reply could be misunderstood I write this PS; I really don't understand why do you find the argument disingenuous, and I ask you to please explain to me why do you think it is, if that' fine with you, because there is no intent for the argument to be disingenuous at all, it is a trend in behavior (regarding censorship) that I believe I am seeing in western society that is sincerely worrying me... I believe this behavior is similar to what I have seen in China and Russia for decades and that worries me, I don't like that.

It's because you talked about elite, in a pejorative way. As if the elected politicians and the appointed judges that pass the laws interpret them to protect people from themselves and others, are somehow unnecessary.

If you don't understand how society works, then I don't think we can have a meaningful conversation. I thought you were faking it.

There is a balance of course, in Russia you cannot speak about anything other than what the government wants you to believe. I didn't propose that, any more than someone trying to ban porn that depicts rape or torture of seemingly unwilling participants, is trying to ban all porn.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/31/ukraine-apparent-pow-abuse-would-be-war-crime

I guess it's okay when an invaded country does it? Not a bot or Russia shill, but name calling won't change what's actually happening. I mostly posted this to see what everyone think of all of this, since Ukraine isn't the angel state the media tries to portray it as. Russia and Putin suck ass also, but so does Ukraine in my eyes.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/russ...-for-direct-military-involvement-in-conflict/

I honestly can't say if it was stated by the Ukraine army or if Russia really did it, considering it's a shitfest over there right now, and it's not easy to find out. If Russian forces did do it, then god damn them. If Ukraine staged it for more support, than that's evil and scummy. Either way, the more this drags out, the more of human nature's dark side seems to come out. I'm half convinced Putin's just milking this invasion anyway at this point since it's take a bit too long now.

We now need a meme video of a Putin model dancing over the destroyed remains of Ukraine cities with some music and this will all come full circle.

 

[kenlee168]

Once a dictator saw a chance of weakness from biden handling of afghanistan hasty ill prepared withdrawal leaving weapons and how chaotic it expose a deep incompetance. Putin took the chance but he is surrounded by same ppl but too afraid to tell him the truth.

 

[Taleweaver]

I honestly can't say if it was stated by the Ukraine army or if Russia really did it, considering it's a shitfest over there right now, and it's not easy to find out. If Russian forces did do it, then god damn them. If Ukraine staged it for more support, than that's evil and scummy. Either way, the more this drags out, the more of human nature's dark side seems to come out. I'm half convinced Putin's just milking this invasion anyway at this point since it's take a bit too long now.

Actually, it's not only very easy to find out, but it's already verified as being true.

Russia claims the bodies were only recently planted there, but satellite images (not Ukraine 's) show that they've been there in some cases since the beginning of the Russian occupation, and none were added (at least not on the street) afterwards.

 

[Xzi]

Just in case Putin's goals weren't already obvious: Russian state media has released a report outlining a plan to "fully eliminate" Ukraine.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/worl...chilling-plan-to-fully-eliminate-ukraine.html

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Actually, it's not only very easy to find out, but it's already verified as being true.

Russia claims the bodies were only recently planted there, but satellite images (not Ukraine 's) show that they've been there in some cases since the beginning of the Russian occupation, and none were added (at least not on the street) afterwards.

Because we don't have programs or techniques to edit and manipulate pictures nowadays, even satellite images, right?

I'm not for Russia nor Ukraine at this point. Ukraine is run by a corrupt puppet government that has "secrets" certain top US politicians don't want to get out (and I put it in quotes since most of it isn't secret anymore) and Russia is run by dumb assholes, so both places can burn in hell for all I care. We've seen how bad both countries are at this point, but some still want to ignore certain inconvenient facts about one side in order to get favor in various social media sites by "standing against meanie Putin, I stand with Ukraine!" even though those people would run away like cowards when it would come to real conflict showing up to their door.

I only feel bad for the innocent civilians that have to suffer through all this bullshit.

 

[UnderJinx]

Just in case Putin's goals weren't already obvious: Russian state media has released a report outlining a plan to "fully eliminate" Ukraine.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/worl...chilling-plan-to-fully-eliminate-ukraine.html

What country should i use in vpn the link says country restricted

Nevermind use colombia vpn

 

[Xzi]

Ukraine is run by a corrupt puppet government

Jesus you're a real piece of work. Willing to convince yourself of anything so long as it allows you to justify playing the 'enlightened centrist.' Suffice it to say that if the current Ukrainian government was half as corrupt as you claim, the war never would've happened because Putin would've just bought them out.

I only feel bad for the innocent civilians that have to suffer through all this bullshit.

Clearly not that bad though, or you wouldn't be shit talking their leaders who have stuck by them this whole time, throughout all the pain and suffering.

 

[Taleweaver]

Because we don't have programs or techniques to edit and manipulate pictures nowadays, even satellite images, right?

Of course we do. And if it was just ukraine making that claim unverified i wouldn't even have responded (not much point in calling everyone else lying).

But it isn't. Pretty much the opposite, in fact. Like... Check this article :

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...f-corpses-in-bucha-prove-russian-claims-wrong

If that's fake news, it's a conspiracy theory with a HUGE amount of involved parties :
The guardian, the new York times, the published pictures from the ground (that line up with the satellite images), the multiple companies owning the multiple satellites overview the area... And I'm probably missing some. See, satellite images aren't just pictures from up in the sky, but they track the whereabouts as well. Our rather : when the pictures on the ground match the geodata of the sky, either they both not only need to be fake but also aligned to tell the exact same fake image.

... Which of course had to be made real the second the Russians left Bucha, because ey... That's how the city was found afterward.

But where's the Russian side in all this? Your own article starts with 'Russia claims false flag', but even those authors are pretty sceptic. A general tweet from Russian defense ministry. That's it? No "here's footage from our own troops while they were in Bucha". No satellite images (Russia has those things as well, y'know).?

Sorry, but considering the footage, that's a pretty meager excuse.

 

[djpannda]

Because we don't have programs or techniques to edit and manipulate pictures nowadays, even satellite images

Russia : WE have not killed Civilians
Also Russia: We brought MULTIPLE mobile crematoria for....NO REASON...

 

[leon315]

This is the worst in humanity and to see Putin apologists is sickening..

sir, next time put pics like these under a spoiler pèlz, CAUZ THEY ARE DISTURBING AS F, and i feel my lunch is coming out in reverse way after i watched the photos of dead people.

 

[Glyptofane]

Ruble's up, dollar's down, and Uncle Vanya's is on the rise to replace McDonald's.

In Soviet Russia, sanctions sanction you!

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Jesus you're a real piece of work. Willing to convince yourself of anything so long as it allows you to justify playing the 'enlightened centrist.' Suffice it to say that if the current Ukrainian government was half as corrupt as you claim, the war never would've happened because Putin would've just bought them out.


Clearly not that bad though, or you wouldn't be shit talking their leaders who have stuck by them this whole time, throughout all the pain and suffering.

blah blah blah go cry in your closet more

Of course we do. And if it was just ukraine making that claim unverified i wouldn't even have responded (not much point in calling everyone else lying).

But it isn't. Pretty much the opposite, in fact. Like... Check this article :

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...f-corpses-in-bucha-prove-russian-claims-wrong

If that's fake news, it's a conspiracy theory with a HUGE amount of involved parties :
The guardian, the new York times, the published pictures from the ground (that line up with the satellite images), the multiple companies owning the multiple satellites overview the area... And I'm probably missing some. See, satellite images aren't just pictures from up in the sky, but they track the whereabouts as well. Our rather : when the pictures on the ground match the geodata of the sky, either they both not only need to be fake but also aligned to tell the exact same fake image.

... Which of course had to be made real the second the Russians left Bucha, because ey... That's how the city was found afterward.

But where's the Russian side in all this? Your own article starts with 'Russia claims false flag', but even those authors are pretty sceptic. A general tweet from Russian defense ministry. That's it? No "here's footage from our own troops while they were in Bucha". No satellite images (Russia has those things as well, y'know).?

Sorry, but considering the footage, that's a pretty meager excuse.

There is a conspiracy to a point, a lot of propaganda pushing, but at this point, unless you were physically there, it's a lot of "he said, she said" being flung around. Yes, people are getting killed over there, but for some instances, it's harder to tell which side is actually telling the truth. Whichever side is doing atrocities, or both, I will condemn then, but the media needs to stop lying first, which at this point, they almost never will. That's why I'm skeptical at first when any news come out at this point. I'd rather wait for more information, but I will share what I find interesting for discussion, which can't happen on this site regardless lol But it is what it is.

Russia : WE have not killed Civilians
Also Russia: We brought MULTIPLE mobile crematoria for....NO REASON...

Because it's better to let the bodies of dead soldiers and civilians rot in the hot sun. Like I said above, maybe Russia has committed these atrocities, which they should be held accountable, but I wouldn't past it if Ukraine had some hand in it to gain even more favor and support from the international community. Watch, long when this is all over, the truth will come out on how bad this shit actually got over there, then we'll know the full story. Right now, it's hard to trust what's happening fully.

 

[UnderJinx]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...katerina-tikhonova-sanctioned-eu-b992743.html

Putin's daughters sanctioned by Usa
What next maybe they will be forced to drive skodas

 

[BitMasterPlus]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...katerina-tikhonova-sanctioned-eu-b992743.html

Putin's daughters sanctioned by Usa
What next maybe they will be forced to drive skodas

Oh geez. Well that's it bois, now Putin has officially lost the war. If he continues, the next step Biden will do will be to stare at him angrily and wave his finger.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

Ruble's up, dollar's down, and Uncle Vanya's is on the rise to replace McDonald's.

In Soviet Russia, sanctions sanction you!

Sanctions works well to make regular people starve. For remove leaders from power, it never worked. Cuba, Iran, North Korea are all under sanctions for years (half century for Cuba). Their regimes still thrive.

Will it work for Russia? We don't know, but if a medicine never worked, is it a good idea to try again?

 

[Taleweaver]

There is a conspiracy to a point, a lot of propaganda pushing, but at this point, unless you were physically there, it's a lot of "he said, she said" being flung around. Yes, people are getting killed over there, but for some instances, it's harder to tell which side is actually telling the truth. Whichever side is doing atrocities, or both, I will condemn then, but the media needs to stop lying first, which at this point, they almost never will. That's why I'm skeptical at first when any news come out at this point. I'd rather wait for more information, but I will share what I find interesting for discussion, which can't happen on this site regardless lol But it is what it is

Again : would be true if we would take Zelenski's word at face value. But the satellite images act like peer reviews: they validate both the pictures on the ground during the massacre as the video footage afterward (which isn't disputed, btw... Russia basically said ukraine killed its own citizens for the heck of it and then dumped them there).
And it's that last part that breaks that 'he said she said' you use as an excuse for ignorance. It's verified by independent sources.


(Christ... And as I'm typing this, the news shows video footage of the area wherein a Russian tank shoots at someone on a bike. On a freaking bike!)

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

I don´t get it. The Western media has been saying that Russia is targeting civilians. Zelensky spoke of genocide and compared it to the holocaust in front of Israelis (not a good idea, let me tell you).
And then a few hundred civilians are top news around the world around the clock. Wouldn´t you expect to see that every day? I am sorry for the victims, I just want to point out this contradiction.

 

[UnderJinx]

Again : would be true if we would take Zelenski's word at face value. But the satellite images act like peer reviews: they validate both the pictures on the ground during the massacre as the video footage afterward (which isn't disputed, btw... Russia basically said ukraine killed its own citizens for the heck of it and then dumped them there).
And it's that last part that breaks that 'he said she said' you use as an excuse for ignorance. It's verified by independent sources.


(Christ... And as I'm typing this, the news shows video footage of the area wherein a Russian tank shoots at someone on a bike. On a freaking bike!)

I dont think the Russian soldiers killed all the civillians by taking orders
Why would a general or a major give orders about that.
They would almost do crap in their pants worring about war crime accusations. Hopefully they would

Maybe in the beginning of the war they were told to do
but now things have gone out of control

 

[KingVamp]

They are trying hard to sanction the oligarchs directly as well.

Again : would be true if we would take Zelenski's word at face value. But the satellite images act like peer reviews: they validate both the pictures on the ground during the massacre as the video footage afterward (which isn't disputed, btw... Russia basically said ukraine killed its own citizens for the heck of it and then dumped them there).
And it's that last part that breaks that 'he said she said' you use as an excuse for ignorance. It's verified by independent sources.

Not to mention, put more stock in the country that's being invaded.