Trump Impeachment: Public Hearings Have Begun

[SG854]

@cots I gave you the damn U.S. Code
1974 Congressional and Impoundment Control Act, 31 U.S. Code 1512

And instead of reading it yourself, and learning about the 45 day limit, you instead avoid it entirely by coming up with a stupid excuse about my English which isn't even bad. I like to simplify things to get to the point and not make an extremely long paragrah, and leave it up to the person take the things I said here and there to get the meaning. The code I gave enough is for you to look it up, what a complete dodge.

 

[Xzi]

He'll show up in the Senate where it counts.

"Where it counts?" The Senate will vote in his favor regardless of whether he mounts any defense there or not. I'd argue the judiciary hearings definitely "count" more in terms of influencing public perceptions, because it's obvious that the Senate is going to be divided straight down party lines. Maybe one or two purple state Republican Senators will vote their conscience, but that'd be it.

I will grant that the strategy makes sense from the standpoint of providing the Republican base with short and simple soundbites though, as Trump knows they won't be able to follow the complexities of the judiciary's legal proceedings and terminology. The long game of slowly sabotaging America's public education system pays off yet again.

 

[cots]

@cots I gave you the damn U.S. Code
1974 Congressional and Impoundment Control Act, 31 U.S. Code 1512

And instead of reading it yourself, and learning about the 45 day limit, you instead avoid it entirely by coming up with a stupid excuse about my English which isn't even bad. I like to simplify things to get to the point and not make an extremely long paragrah, and leave it up to the person take the things I said here and there to get the meaning. The code I gave enough is for you to look it up, what a complete dodge.

I read it, but that doesn't explain why the majority of the GOP Congress members and the ambassadors office I called disagree with it. I guess I could call them back and ask them again, but like, it's not that important. I can wait to see this fall apart for the Liberals. I'm satisfied with what I was told. If you're not I that's fine. People who hate Trump think everything he does is wrong. He gives his entire $250,000 3rd quarter pay to disabled veterans and gets hate. You can't please your kind so why bother?

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"Where it counts?" The Senate will vote in his favor regardless of whether he mounts any defense there or not. I'd argue the judiciary hearings definitely "count" more in terms of influencing public perceptions, because it's obvious that the Senate is going to be divided straight down party lines. Maybe one or two purple state Republican Senators will vote their conscience, but that'd be it.

I will grant that the strategy makes sense from the standpoint of providing the Republican base with short and simple soundbites though, as Trump knows they won't be able to follow the complexities of the judiciary's legal proceedings and terminology. The long game of slowly sabotaging America's public education system pays off yet again.

Well, I guess if you agree you're going to lose then I'd hold you to being able to admit defeat once it happens.

 

[RationalityIsLost101]

Due to the entire (this info could be used to identify me with unspoken rule) I won't be providing specifics. There's a list. Hit up the embassy website of the random person you chose. Make the call. She said she was a top aid. It was maybe 1 or 2 weeks ago?!? I've had some sleeping problems for the last few months and time gets fussy when you never know how long you're going to be awake or how long you're going to be asleep. I can tell you it's going to bring up a rather large charge on my cell because it wasn't in the USA. I mean, if you don't believe me then it wouldn't hurt to call a couple to verify I'm full of shit, would it?

I can't really prove that you are full of shit. Furthermore, I lack any desire to know who you are. I only desired to validate information. You claim information from some source no one can access, even if I call multiple places and have each one argue against your claim you can still hide behind the anonymity of your call and knowing you, will stand behind it's validity despite evidence because its not like you've let facts deter you in the previous discourse. I presume if you called outside of US the logical place to target would be Ukraine? I would be able to remember every detail on something I personally sought out, but I have benefited a lifetime of a good working memory and I understand some don't. I'll just stop derailing this thread and say sure, 'your uncle works at Nintendo' and leave it at that : )

 

[cots]

I can't really prove that you are full of shit. Furthermore, I lack any desire to know who you are. I only desired to validate information. You claim information from some source no one can access, even if I call multiple places and have each one argue against your claim you can still hide behind the anonymity of your call and knowing you, will stand behind it's validity despite evidence because its not like you've let facts deter you in the previous discourse. I presume if you called outside of US the logical place to target would be Ukraine? I would be able to remember every detail on something I personally sought out, but I have benefited a lifetime of a good working memory and I understand some don't. I'll just stop derailing this thread and say sure, 'your uncle works at Nintendo' and leave it at that : )

Okay, but if you decide to spend $10 on a phone call I'd like to know what they tell you.

Edit: No I didn't call Ukraine (too bias) nor did I mention Trump (instant TDS trigger) by name. Sorry, I just updated my last post to you. Please read it if you get the chance. (No need to respond, your response is good enough).

 

[SG854]

I read it, but that doesn't explain why the GOP and the ambassadors office I called disagree with it. I guess I could call them back and ask them again, but like, it's not that important. I can wait to see this fall apart for the Liberals. I'm satisfied with what I was told. If you're not I that's fine. People who hate Trump think everything he does is wrong. He gives his $250,000 3rd quarter pay to disabled veterans and gets hate. You can't please your kind so why bother?

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Well, I guess if you agree you'e going to lose then I'd hold you to being able to admit defeat once it happens.

Hate Trump? What the Fuck are you talking about. You have a real problem with assumptions. I don't give a damn about Trump or if he turns out innocent or not. I'm just following information as it comes out.


Also what government or aid are you talking about? I don't know if you been paying attention to politics, but people in government are split on this issue. Democrats and Republicans will give you different answers, and been arguing non stop. You spoke to a GOP. Speak to a Democrat in government and they'll give you a different answer. I'm not going to get a straight answer from them so that's why I went to a lawyer that studies these laws. You're satisfied with what you're told because it satisfies your bias towards Trump. You proven that because you wont look into what a lawyer has to say.

And why do you keep on bringing irrelevant points to this topic? $250,000 is irrelevant towards this impeachment stuff. He's not getting hate for that, he's getting hate for maybe money being withheld. That's what mob bosses do, they commit crime, kill people, but give some of the money they stole to donations so that they can get on peoples good side. Its manipulation. The $250,000 is irrelevant.

 

[cots]

Hate Trump? What the Fuck are you talking about. You have a real problem with assumptions. I don't give a damn about Trump or if he turns out innocent or not. I'm just following information as it comes out.

Also what government or aid are you talking about? I don't know if you been paying attention to politics, but people in government are split on this issue. Democrats and Republicans will give you different answers, and been arguing non stop. You spoke to a GOP. Speak to a Democrat in government and they'll give you a different answer. I'm not going to get a straight answer from them so that's why I went to a lawyer that studies these laws. You're satisfied with what you're told because it satisfies you're bias towards Trump. You proven that because you wont look into what a lawyer has to say.

And why do you keep on bringing irrelevant points to this topic? $250,000 is irrelevant towards this impeachment stuff. He's not getting hate for that, he's getting hate for maybe money being withheld. That's what mob bosses do, they commit crime, kill people, but give some of the money they stole to donations so that they can get on peoples good side. Its manipulation. The $250,000 is irrelevant.

Okay, I'll watch the video of some random lawyer claiming Trump is guilty and try to forget that he was probably paid to post the video. Then I'll keep in mind what I've seen from the Liberals, the fact it was premeditated and they simply kept looking for a reason, then keep changing the reason, the fact that what I saw during 5 to 6 hours of hearings was akin to an actual circus, the fact their best evidence is "assumptions" and the fact that what the GOP congress are saying and what I've personally been told disputes what you're claiming this random lawyer is saying. However, I'm tired. I'll watch it tomorrow.

The $250,000 is very relevant. It shows the type of people we're dealing with. Trump has done a lot of good and some bad. He promised to donate his entire salary to charity. I know Liberals hate veterans because they are dirty murders that fought with their lives to defend the Liberals ability to hate on them and that while veterans go homeless due to the fact they can't get disability or services fast enough because illegal aliens are given priority in line and then handed out many more benefits then our actual citizens get. I'm trying to put the Liberals hate into perspective for anyone that is not aware that whatever Trump does will be looked down on upon these people. He could rescue a drowning kitten and return it to it's mother and I'm sure the Liberal media would run a full page article on how that was animal abuse.

Anyway, I'm off to try to sleep again. I hope I'm not up 3 days like I again (and I only got 4 hours of sleep after that that I'm going on). I mainly wanted to address @AmandaRose as she and others are basing ones worth on a number produced by inaccurate tests. Guess I got caught up in the rest of it. I might be back in 2-3 hours if sleep attempt #2 is futile. Night.

 

[SG854]

Okay, I'll watch the video of some random lawyer claiming Trump is guilty and try to forget that he was probably paid to post the video. Then I'll keep in mind what I've seen from the Liberals, the fact it was premeditated and they simply kept looking for a reason, then keep changing the reason, the fact that what I saw during 5 to 6 hours of hearings was akin to an actual circus, the fact their best evidence is "assumptions" and the fact that what the GOP congress are saying and what I've personally been told disputes what you're claiming this random lawyer is saying. However, I'm tired. I'll watch it tomorrow.

The $250,000 is very relevant. It shows the type of people we're dealing with. Trump has done a lot of good and some bad. He promised to donate his entire salary to charity. I know Liberals hate veterans because they are dirty murders that fought with their lives to defend the Liberals ability to hate on them and that while veterans go homeless due to the fact they can't get disability or services fast enough because illegal aliens are given priority in line and then handed out many more benefits then our actual citizens get. I'm trying to put the Liberals hate into perspective for anyone that is not aware that whatever Trump does will be looked down on upon these people. He could rescue a drowning kitten and return it to it's mother and I'm sure the Liberal media would run a full page article on how that was animal abuse.

Anyway, I'm off to try to sleep again. I hope I'm not up 3 days like I again (and I only got 4 hours of sleep after that that I'm going on). I mainly wanted to address @AmandaRose as she and others are basing ones worth on a number produced by inaccurate tests. Guess I got caught up in the rest of it. I might be back in 2-3 hours if sleep attempt #2 is futile. Night.

That's you're damn problem, assuming a video without watching it. It has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives, it's just a lawyer telling you about the law and what can and can't be done.

The rest is just blah blah blah blah liberal this liberal that. I don't give a shit. You say it a billion times on every post something about liberals. We know. Its the same damn post too just l slightly dressed up in a different way. We don't need to hear it a billion times more. You're are just like the Liberals you don't like so much that are screeching about Trump, except you are screeching about liberals on every post. You're just like them.

 

[Xzi]

Well, I guess if you agree you'e going to lose then I'd hold you to being able to admit defeat once it happens.

As ridiculous as your sports-minded analogies continue to be, if a "loss" is what it takes to expose Senate Republicans as having abandoned their constitutional duty, that's something I'll gladly accept. Hopefully it won't completely shatter your ego when that exposure in turn leads to a cascade of election losses for Republicans in 2020, just as their sycophancy did this year and in 2018.

 

[cots]

Actually, there's no fucking way in hell I can sleep. It's funny how Liberals want to legalize drugs, yet I'm disabled because of them. And before "Oh you got holes in your brain", no I wasn't using meth or ecstasy, I was using trippy trippy and my thyroid paid the price. A side effect from the thyroid meds is this fucked up sleep disorder they don't even have a name for. My brain is just fine. I've had a couple MRI and a cat-scan and other mental tests. I don't take antidepressants, anti-anxiety, mood or anti psychotics, nor do I smoke weed or drink so I'm not impaired. I just never know when I'm going to sleep or how long I'm going to sleep. So like, working is pretty much not an option (hence the disability). It sucks because I live off of scraps and it was even worse some years back, but I had to wait in line for a long time with other veterans who actually should have been placed in front of me because they fought for the country and come back and then have Liberals throw acid on them when they waiting to get benefits while they are homeless in the streets. (Yes, I've been homeless). At the same time illegal aliens get more benefits and get them in 2-3 months while people like me wait 4-6 years and then still depend on scraps. Every month I run out of food around the 15th and have to go to the salvation army for handouts, yet the Liberals are attacking and trying to defund them because they are a Christian organization, but I'm LGBTQ and they don't turn anyone down that's hungry. If they have food you're welcome to it. Seeings as there are no Liberal organizations that run food banks that sorta sucks, especially considering there are liberal organizations that hand out free heroin needles - sorry, I don't plan on dying in 6 months or having limbs amputated. So let's just legalize drugs. Yeah, good fucking idea you idiots. Well, I do post typos after around 24 hours of being up. I'm not young and can't pull 3 day smoke fests anymore. After around 24 hours I'm tired and after 48 I'm useless.

That's you're damn problem, assuming a video without watching it. It has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives, it's just a lawyer telling you about the law and what can and can't be done.

The rest is just blah blah blah blah liberal this liberal that. I don't give a shit. You say it a billion times on every post something about liberals. We know. Its the same damn post too just l slightly dressed up in a different way. We don't need to hear it a billion times more. You're are just like the Liberals you don't like so much that are screeching about Trump, except you are screeching about liberals on every post. You're just like them.

Dude, you're talking about a lawyer. You realize that these people don't do anything for free, right? Sure, there are pro-Bono, but you've got like a 1 in 300 chance of getting a lawyer that works for free and that's with a potential settlement involved. If there's no settlement your chances are fucked. Don't even mention public defenders. Not only are they paid a salary for their pathetic defense they usually have 100 people on their case load. You're lucky to get 10 minutes with one before your trial. Basically, if you get one you're fucked. What I did reply wasn't "blah blah blah". I stated why some random lawyer that's getting paid for his time, regardless of what he has to say (you basically told me what he had to say anyway) has a lot of opposition going against him. Okay, now I'll watch the video. Unless it's like 15 minutes. Fuck that.

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As ridiculous as your sports-minded analogies continue to be, if a "loss" is what it takes to expose Senate Republicans as having abandoned their constitutional duty, that's something I'll gladly accept. Hopefully it won't completely shatter your ego when that exposure in turn leads to a cascade of election losses for Republicans in 2020, just as their sycophancy did this year and in 2018.

So you're going to hold onto your optimism and still won't admit defeat in this impeachment attempt if you lose? Why are you even trying if you're going to lose? Oh wait, it's to make Trump look bad because you think that'll help your chances in 2020. That might work, it might not. Using the impeachment attempt for election purposes is pretty fucked up, especially considering you guys planned to impeach and then look for a reason and all you've come up with so far is "Well, I assume he's guilty of quid pro quo" and then you conveniently change what you're charging him of. Maybe after this is all said and done Trump needs to get some laws passed preventing such blatant abuse in the future. Too bad you can't retroactively charge people with crimes when it comes to planning a coup.

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@SG854

Okay, 40 minutes. Can you point me to the time stamp where he talks about the law you're referring to? I rather not listen to someone who's being paid and working for a legal firm profiting off of internet videos that are mostly related to bashing Trump, including the debunked Russian hoax. I'm not interested in singing up for their classes and would be weary of any business that bases most of their online content around hating Trump. Clearly no bias. Anyway, I don't want to hear the Liberal talking points repeated over and over again for 40 minutes. I know most of them and have to read about the same ones over and over again on a daily basis. So, can you point me to the time offset the discussion you want me to listen to takes place? Thanks.

 

[Xzi]

Oh wait, it's to make Trump look bad because you think that'll help your chances in 2020.

Trump made himself look bad, Democrats are just airing out his dirty laundry on TV.

Using the impeachment attempt for election purposes is pretty fucked up

Oh, but Trump bribing a foreign country for election purposes is okay with you?

 

[cots]

Oh, but Trump bribing a foreign country for election purposes is okay with you?

Seeings as what you're calling a bribe is a normal negotiating tactic that has been going on for decades yeah I'm pretty chill with it. Unless you want to go back and charge every elected official that's done so and is still alive with the same crime - that is.

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Trump made himself look bad, Democrats are just airing out his dirty laundry on TV.

Seeings as they were trying to make him look bad for donating $250,000 (his entire 3rd quarter income) to disabled vets claiming this was also dirty laundry I question their intentions.

 

[Xzi]

Seeings as what you're calling a bribe is a normal negotiating tactic that has been going on for decades

Normal for Bill Barr who was involved with the Iran-Contra scandal? Sure. Doesn't make it legal or constitutional just because similar corruption has gone on unchecked in the past.

Seeings as they were trying to make him look bad for donating $250,000 (his entire 3rd quarter income) to disabled vets claiming this was also dirty laundry I question their intentions.

ROFL you still believe anything Trump says about donations? After the fraudulent college and fraudulent charity in his name were shut down?

 

[cots]

ROFL you still believe anything Trump says about donations? After the fraudulent college and fraudulent charity in his name were shut down?

All of the money the charity raised went to where it was supposed to go to. His crime was using the charity for campaign purposes, which was illegal. He didn't pocket the money. I mean, if you follow a driver around for 1,200 miles you're bound to catch him committing an offense. It would have been really fucked up if he took the charities money and used it for his campaign, but that's not what happened.

Just like how people call him "Mr. Bone Spurs the Draft Dodger". The armed forces isn't going to let someone in who can't walk or run correctly. They'll also reject you for having flat feet. At least he showed up and didn't avoid the draft by leaving the country (I wonder who did that?). Do you have any idea what bone spurs are or how they effect your ability to walk or run? Are the trans that get rejected now also dodgers?

 

[Xzi]

His crime was using the charity for campaign purposes, which was illegal. He didn't pocket the money.

Holy hell are you ever delusional. He used his charity like a personal expense account. No president is worth worshiping or making excuses for, but this one is particularly undeserving of that treatment.

 

[cots]

Holy hell are you ever delusional. He used his charity like a personal expense account. No president is worth worshiping or making excuses for, but this one is particularly undeserving of that treatment.

Ah, you're right. I guess the other article I read about it was fake tabloid shit. I should have read more than one source. Guess being so used to fake shit coming from the Left I should have paid more attention to this claim. He misused some funds and had to pay it all back and then the charity was shut down.

Though, he used like what, less than $30,000 on stuff he wasn't supposed to, yet the Trump Foundation lawyer Alan Futerfas said the nonprofit has distributed approximately $19 million over the past decade, including $8.25 million of the president’s own money, to hundreds of charitable organizations. I mean, yeah, it's wrong, like giving someone two pennies less change then you owe them from a cash register or being off $15 on your tax $1,232,000 claims in your tax returns because you misplaced a couple of check stubs.

Oh well, he lost the case. People lose parking ticket cases too.

 

[AmandaRose]

Are the trans that get rejected now also dodgers?

You know fine well that is a dumb argument due to the fact that since April 12, 2019, Directive-type Memorandum-19-004 took effect and transgenders are baned from applying. They don't get rejected they legally can't apply.


Also why do you REPEATEDLY feel the need to keep bringing the trans community into every single bloody thread you argue in??

 

[cots]

You know fine well that is a dumb argument due to the fact that since April 12, 2019, Directive-type Memorandum-19-004 took effect and transgenders are baned from applying. They don't get rejected they legally can't apply.

Also why do you REPEATEDLY feel the need to keep bringing the trans community into every single bloody thread you argue in??

I was trying to point out that if someone were to attack a trans person because they were trying to join the armed forces for any reason and got denied thus calling them a dodger that it would be the same as calling anyone else a dodger due to other armed forces policies that would reject a person. I was stating how they are very intolerant to certain things. Were you concerned that what I was stating the armed forces are doing was okay by any means? Drafts usually effect anyone with a selective service registration which all citizens are required to get when they turn 18 years old.

Trump got banned because he has bone spurs and he couldn't run with a heavy backpack.

Trans got banned because it would hurt morale.

People with low IQ scores get banned too.

Edit: It now seems transgender people are not required to register for the draft (they still can - it's now optional) so I'm not sure how they would handle them when they get drafted (called to report for duty in wartime). Your link doesn't provide an answer to that issue.

Though, we're veering way off topic. I shouldn't have been baited by @Xzi's inability to admit his team is going to lose and that he's going to refuse to admit to defeat afterwards.

 

[notimp]

*DEFEAT! We'll defeat them! And then they will refuse to acknowledge DEFEAT!*

The mental landscape of cots (subsection 'the promised land')).

Everything has to be subordinated to reach that goal.


Lets say Trump wins the next elections. For how long will this satisfy your emotional needs? For as long until some radio shock jocks drum up the next common goal to defeat the infidels?

What made you cots. How can you hate those gosh darn liberals so much? Why is everything "they" do bad. And everything your side does good, righteous, measured, intelligent, ...

And also - when you are insisting on that kind of language (war talk, basically), you are ruining more factual discussion (exploration of issues.).

Currently we are oscillating between you taking over threads by shere volume of arguments (dont have to be factual) and with alienating others. This ends in less engagement, and less people wanting to participate in here - and then you've won?

What is this need? I mean, its almost religious fervor on your part.

And how was your path into this reality? What made you believe in 'your' political pundits (radio or TV commentators, mostly?) so much? Whats that unifying factor - that makes you so absolutely positive, that anything the other side might have going for it is so utterly and definitively wrong - just on the basis of a political label?

 

[omgcat]

honestly as a long time lurker it's very obvious cots is just using the truth-bullshit asymmetry theorem to full effect. He doesn't care about America, he cares about tribalism and "I WON/I LOST" bullshit. Also taking into consideration that extended lack of sleep is know to cause massive mental degradation I'm not sure I am surprised at how he acts or thinks. It's pretty pitiful.